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TZ DC-10-30 New Livery  
User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12138 posts, RR: 51
Posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 6302 times:

Today we have two TZ DC-10-30s here at DFW (along with a TZ L-1011-500). The DC-10s, N702TZ & N706TZ, are in the new livery.

The fuselage crown is avery light gray color, almost silver, below that is that medium gray UA used on their crappy blue and gray livery they had a few years ago. Below that is a strata blue (dark blue) stripe, the vertical tail is also strata blue. The ATA and ribbons is in yellow, and the ATA logo on the foreward fuslage is also yellow.

I have not scene a more ugly livery on an airplane since the USAF was painting the A-10 lizard green.

But, hey, the A-10 is suppose to be FUGLY, the DC-10 is not.  bigthumbsup 

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User currently offlineFtrguy From United States of America, joined exactly 11 years ago today! , 358 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 6285 times:

I spent 13 hours on that plane a few weeks ago and it looked much better than their hybrid schemes...

User currently offlineMDL21483 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 169 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 6195 times:

thats a NWA old colors bird, was that the plane?

doesnt look good at all- gives me the feeling that it was... too rushed



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User currently offlineMIAMIx707 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 6167 times:

That hybrid looks AMAXZING nevermind it's much more interesting than the current ATA scheme but it probably looks better also. Wow!

I think I saw this one last month still in full NW colors, ugly. What a change! best looking DC10 plz keep it like this  bigthumbsup 


User currently offlineTyphaerion From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 619 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 5974 times:
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I am okay with everything but the light gray top. I am not sure why the decision was made to go to that color, but it would have been nicer if they had used the blue from the tail or the dark gray from the midline stripe. And if they were doing the top in that dark gray they could have also repainted the stripe because it looks patchy and shoddy. Not all of it was painted over, just the NW and Skyteam logo areas so it is faint in some areas and real dark in others. *sigh*

I agree with the sentiment that this is one of the more ugly birds out there, but she's ours, so I have to love her.  biggrin  It isn't nice to call someone else's baby ugly...



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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12138 posts, RR: 51
Reply 5, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 5528 times:



Quoting Ftrguy (Reply 1):
looked much better than their hybrid schemes...

Well, that is true. The hybrid NW/TZ colors really looked bad. The red just doesn't seem to fit very well on a TZ airplane.


User currently offlineMainliner From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 411 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 5028 times:

Wow...I think it looks really cool!


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User currently offlineCatdaddy63 From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 301 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4979 times:
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I saw them myself at DFW yesterday, was quite a site seeing 2 L10's and 2 DC10's side by side on the ramp. While I agree with some here about the color scheme, it is a huge improvement over the NW hybrid. They chose a cost effective way to get a fresh look that will work perfectly fine with these birds intended mission. And I think the tails look awesome!

User currently offlineKensukeAida From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 217 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4908 times:

Would look real awesome in Canyon Blue. :P

- John


User currently offlineWjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5154 posts, RR: 22
Reply 9, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4768 times:

Tail looks awesome, decals look great, white looks...uh..."What a cute baby you have!"  Wink

User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12138 posts, RR: 51
Reply 10, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 4586 times:



Quoting KensukeAida (Reply 8):
Would look real awesome in Canyon Blue

Hmmm, that will be something different.


User currently offlineN839mh From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 370 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4524 times:

I will try and get pictures today if the planes are still there!


Solodude!
User currently offlineTZTriStar500 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1452 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4486 times:



Quoting Wjcandee (Reply 9):
white looks...uh..

Its not exactly white, but a light gray which is actually the base coat for the silver mica color. I am not at liberty to discuss the background behind this scheme, but to say this is what the senior leadership settled on and yes, it was mostly reactionary.



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User currently offlineLN-MOW From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 1908 posts, RR: 14
Reply 13, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4468 times:



Quoting TZTriStar500 (Reply 12):
I am not at liberty to discuss the background behind this scheme,

Let me guess ... hmmm ...  dollarsign  ...........  white 



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User currently offlineTZTriStar500 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1452 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4425 times:



Quoting LN-MOW (Reply 13):
Let me guess ... hmmm ... dollarsign ........... white

partly, yes, but it wasn't that simple. I'll just say it was frustrating and leave it at that. While not the company standard scheme, this is the best we got, isn't changing, and better than some of the other concepts.



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User currently offlineRikkus67 From Canada, joined Jun 2000, 1628 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4396 times:

I made the mistake of posting a link to show the scheme...it got deleted  Sad


The description of the scheme:

This is a former NWA "bowling shoe" scheme with the red changed to white on the top of the fuselage. Standard ATA tail, and ATA decals placed as usual on the front of the fuselage.

It would have esthetically looked better if the red was changed to grey (instead of white), leaving the fuselage above the dark blue cheatline as all one colour. I suppose ATA had to stay away from that, as any repaint to grey at the top would end up showing as two different shades (due to natural fading of the original grey paint).



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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12138 posts, RR: 51
Reply 16, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4352 times:

Why can't ATA use the same livery scheme they paint onto their B-737-800s?

User currently offlineTZTriStar500 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1452 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4306 times:

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 16):
Why can't ATA use the same livery scheme they paint onto their B-737-800s?

We certainly could have for approx. $150K per aircraft and trying to source very scarce extended paint slots. I simply cannot air the politics behind why not in a public forum. Reply 14 sums it up.

[Edited 2008-01-09 10:42:20]


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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12138 posts, RR: 51
Reply 18, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 4271 times:



Quoting TZTriStar500 (Reply 17):
We certainly could have for approx. $150K per aircraft and trying to source very scarce extended paint slots. I simply cannot air the politics behind why not in a public forum. Reply 14 sums it up.



Quoting TZTriStar500 (Reply 14):
partly, yes, but it wasn't that simple. I'll just say it was frustrating and leave it at that. While not the company standard scheme, this is the best we got, isn't changing, and better than some of the other concepts.



Quoting TZTriStar500 (Reply 14):
Quoting LN-MOW (Reply 13):
Let me guess ... hmmm ... dollarsign ........... white

Or WN?


User currently offlineTZTriStar500 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1452 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 4247 times:



Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 18):
Or WN?

WN has absolutely zero to do with this. They have no direct financial interest in TZ nor any board members. Their only "influence" is in discussions related to what cities for the 2009 international codeshare and no other company policy or direction.



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User currently offlineN839MH From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 370 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3965 times:

One of the ATA DC-10's were parked behind the former Delta Air Lines 5E cargo/cabin service buildings, the other was parked at gate E34



[Edited 2008-01-14 22:50:55]

[Edited 2008-01-14 22:52:44]


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User currently offlineECONOMICS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3951 times:

what routes do the DC10's operate?

Think the L1011 is for military charters?


User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12138 posts, RR: 51
Reply 22, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3852 times:



Quoting ECONOMICS (Reply 21):
what routes do the DC10's operate?

Think the L1011 is for military charters?

For now, the L-1011s and DC-10s fly the military charters exclusively. The B-757-300s occasionally fly yhe military charters.


User currently offlineNorthstarBoy From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1826 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3812 times:
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Basically, it looks like a bastardized version of the NW paint scheme, i'm surprised ATA hasn't recieved a letter from the NW legal department, or was it changed just enough so as not to be in violation of the trademark on the NW scheme?


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User currently offlineECONOMICS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3783 times:



Quoting NorthstarBoy (Reply 23):
Basically, it looks like a bastardized version of the NW paint scheme, i'm surprised ATA hasn't recieved a letter from the NW legal department, or was it changed just enough so as not to be in violation of the trademark on the NW scheme?

We think it looks good, except ATA too small & not enough yellow. So many US carriers liveries are boring except Skybus. Bring back Western pacific & their interesting looking logo jets !!!

On that matter, why don't more airlines have more logo jets ? Extra revenue they all need especially now the recession in the U.S. is official ???


25 KC135TopBoom : Or Braniff #1, with their different colored jets. Remember their orange colored B-747?
26 474218 : "The Great Pumpkin".
27 Post contains links USADreamliner : Here is one ex-NW wearing a hybrid ATA livery at Yokota, Japan: http://www.skyliner-aviation.de/viewphoto.main?LC=&picid=4359
28 Viasa : " target=_blank>http://www.skyliner-aviation.de/view...=4359 I've posted the same livery picture as replay number 4 or 5 - but my thread was deleted.
29 SRT75 : I actually kind of like it. Is it still carrying a NW interior? I assume it's an all Y layout. 2-5-2? How many total seats?
30 LTBEWR : It does look like ATA had to do it on the cheap for obvious $$ reasons. The much higher fuel prices and tight budgets from the mil charter work means
31 Post contains links TZTriStar500 : Largely, yes. The seats were refurbished and the fabric and carpet have been changed to ATA standard. The biz class was removed and replaced with coa
32 Wjcandee : I was under the impression that the DC10s also do commercial charter (and of course one was used to upgauge some of the Hawaii service from December
33 QantasHeavy : Hmmm you'd have thought they'd just paint it all white... or at least half grey. That huge oddly porportioned grey stripe does make that look UGLY. I
34 KC135TopBoom : I thought all 3 (remaining) L-1011s and the 4 DC-10s were all committed to the military. I guess some of the DC-10s are doing both military and comme
35 Post contains links Wjcandee : The military business comes and goes, so there's plenty of room to pick up ad hoc commercial charter. They did pick up a track charter program this p
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