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User currently offlineAcabgd From Serbia, joined Jul 2005, 659 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 6274 times:

As some of you might know Christmas is celebrated in some Orthodox Christian countries on January 7. Furthermore, the arrival of Christmas is "celebrated" in Montenegro, as well as neighbouring Serbia, by fireworks and - unfortunately - firing in the air of many illegal guns.

A Montenegro Airlines F100 landing from Ljubljana (LJU) January 6 in the late evening was hit by a bullet. The bullet hole was discovered only after the airplane successfully landed at Podgorica Airport (TGD), when the mechs found a bullet hole in the tail.

I saw it on local TV and the hole is some 2 inches wide, on the tail itself close to the rudder. There was also an interview with the captain who said they didn't notice anyone firing at them and he believes it was a stray bullet from someone down there celebrating Christmas.

- We are ready for any technical problems, bad weather, fog and other problems, but not for bullets fired at our planes, the captain said.

The plane was back in service on Monday afternoon.


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User currently offlineLAxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25049 posts, RR: 46
Reply 1, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 6202 times:

Sounds like Los Angeles for New Years eve when people fire all types of weapons including AK-47s in the air.

To alleviate such problems, the airport goes to all over-water operations for several hours to avoid planes overflying the city at low altitudes.



From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlineAcabgd From Serbia, joined Jul 2005, 659 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 6130 times:

Are you kidding about LAX over-water operations or what?


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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25049 posts, RR: 46
Reply 3, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 5986 times:



Quoting Acabgd (Reply 2):
Are you kidding about LAX over-water operations or what?

Nope not at all.

If you are bored, go the this web site and watch the LAX traffic from about 23:15 on December 31st http://www4.passur.com/lax.html
You'll see planes overfly the city passing the airport at higher altitudes and turn in and land back off the ocean, while departures head out towards the ocean like normal.



From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlineAcabgd From Serbia, joined Jul 2005, 659 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 5927 times:

.... And I thought this was a crazy country!

Thanks for your reply.



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User currently offlineSeabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5378 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 5906 times:



Quoting LAxintl (Reply 1):
Sounds like Los Angeles for New Years eve when people fire all types of weapons including AK-47s in the air.

To alleviate such problems, the airport goes to all over-water operations for several hours to avoid planes overflying the city at low altitudes.

 eyepopping 

I can't believe this is the same country I live in. I've never seen this happen in Seattle or Boston. Remind me to stay away from LA at New Year's...


User currently offlineRFields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 6, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 5706 times:

And Dallas - we have a gunfire issue also on holidays.

User currently offlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2698 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 5676 times:



Quoting LAxintl (Reply 1):
Sounds like Los Angeles for New Years eve when people fire all types of weapons including AK-47s in the air.

Fires, Earthquakes, Drought, Riots, Mudslides and now this...remind me again why so many people move to California?


User currently offlineCO777ER From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 691 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 5654 times:

Could it be the Redeye 2 arrival (STAR) into LAX?

User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25049 posts, RR: 46
Reply 9, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 5621 times:



Quoting Seabosdca (Reply 5):
Remind me to stay away from LA at New Year's...

4th of July as well, along with some ethnic holidays.

Quoting United787 (Reply 7):
remind me again why so many people move to California?

Weather, ocean, mountains, deserts, suburbia, largest US economy, diversity in every aspect, progressive etc... in other words great lifestyle.  cloudnine 

Find me a place, I can ski in the morning, layout on the beach in the afternoon, then attend world or entertainment events at night and I might consider moving. na...

Quoting CO777ER (Reply 8):
Could it be the Redeye 2 arrival (STAR) into LAX?

The Redye is a night time noise abatement routing normaly used only between 0000-0630L. The other Star's such as Downe, Moorpark, Ocean, Reedr and Sadde all have procedures for the 06/07 runways off the ocean.



From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlineA300 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 474 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 5447 times:
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Quoting United787 (Reply 7):
Fires, Earthquakes, Drought, Riots, Mudslides and now this...remind me again why so many people move to California?

Nice weather!



Boland Aseman Jayegah Man Ast.
User currently offlineImperialEagle From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2529 posts, RR: 22
Reply 11, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5228 times:
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Quoting LAxintl (Reply 1):
Sounds like Los Angeles for New Years eve when people fire all types of weapons including AK-47s in the air.

Atlanta too!
Some of the areas surrounding ATL are notorious for weapon fire during major holidays!
Morons don't have enough sense to fire into the ground.



"If everything seems under control, you're just not going fast enough!"
User currently offlineMD80fanatic From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2660 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5141 times:



Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 11):
Morons don't have enough sense to fire into the ground.

"Yeah......let's celebrate the occasion by getting together and firing our guns into the ground". Sure....that would work. (Not)


User currently offlineCeph From Singapore, joined Jun 2007, 141 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5073 times:



Quoting MD80fanatic (Reply 12):
"Yeah......let's celebrate the occasion by getting together and firing our guns into the ground". Sure....that would work. (Not)

The hospitals will be super crowded with people having shrapnel injuries...


User currently offlineGraphic From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5066 times:

And that is why we NoDak folk have to be extra careful during hunting season that that nice shack out in the middle of nowhere, perfect for turns around a point, is not a deer stand.

User currently offlineOly720man From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 6696 posts, RR: 11
Reply 15, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5049 times:



Quoting Ceph (Reply 13):
The hospitals will be super crowded with people having shrapnel injuries...

don't forget holes in feet.



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User currently offlinePC12Fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 2431 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5013 times:

I remember a similar event that happened to a TWA 727 in 1997. It landed at FLL (where I was working at the time) from STL and it could not be determined where the shot was fired. Kind of unnerving to see what was an obvious high powered round through the rudder of the 'ole three holer.

A funny - stupid comment I overheard a passenger say during de-planning/interviewing (police). "I know when it happened because I felt the plane depressurize!"



Just when I think you've said the stupidest thing ever, you keep talkin'!
User currently offlineScouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3385 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4968 times:



Quoting LAXintl (Reply 9):
Find me a place, I can ski in the morning, layout on the beach in the afternoon, then attend world or entertainment events at night and I might consider moving. na...

Sounds like Vancouver but I guess that California's beaches will be somewhat warmer! Big grin


User currently offlineRFields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 18, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4841 times:

The NIMBY's have taken shots at some GA aircraft south of KTKI in the past.

User currently offlineIrobertson From Canada, joined Apr 2006, 601 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4816 times:

To refer to George Carlin, we don't let children have toy guns at christmas, but we'll let them keep the f@#*ing real ones!! This is crazy!

User currently offlineFiatstilojtd From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4797 times:



Quoting Acabgd (Thread starter):
A Montenegro Airlines F100 landing from Ljubljana (LJU) January 6 in the late evening was hit by a bullet. The bullet hole was discovered only after the airplane successfully landed at Podgorica Airport (TGD), when the mechs found a bullet hole in the tail.

Was Dick Cheney in Podgorica by any chance ?  Wink


User currently offlineMDorBust From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4767 times:



Quoting RFields5421 (Reply 6):
And Dallas - we have a gunfire issue also on holidays.

Most all major cities have this problem.

Quoting Acabgd (Thread starter):
I saw it on local TV and the hole is some 2 inches wide, on the tail itself close to the rudder.

A 2" bullet hole?

Well the only gun I could find with a 50mm projecticle was the PAK-38

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5_cm_PaK_38

Not a very likely to be used for celebratory firing.


User currently offlineSNAFlyboy From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 86 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4617 times:



Quoting United787 (Reply 7):
Fires, Earthquakes, Drought, Riots, Mudslides and now this...remind me again why so many people move to California?

As if being in the middle of ranging wildfires and one of the biggest storms in years wasn't enough, I also have to make sure over-enthusiastic party-ers don't shoot up my plane.  Sad

Quoting Oly720man (Reply 15):
don't forget holes in feet.

I used to work at a hospital, and you wouldn't BELIEVE the kinds of injuries we saw on New Years and the 4th of July...  yuck 

~SNAFlyboy


User currently offlineFsnuffer From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 250 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4435 times:



Quoting MDorBust (Reply 21):
A 2" bullet hole?

Well the only gun I could find with a 50mm projecticle was the PAK-38

Could be "ball" ammunition. This is where the aft end of the bullet weighs more than the front. Once it hits something, it starts tumbling. Very easy to cause a 2" hole with a 30-06 ball round.


User currently offlineMDorBust From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4345 times:



Quoting Fsnuffer (Reply 23):
Could be "ball" ammunition. This is where the aft end of the bullet weighs more than the front. Once it hits something, it starts tumbling. Very easy to cause a 2" hole with a 30-06 ball round.

Simply said, no.

If you want a more detailed explanation ask in the 2A thread in non-av.


25 WesternA318 : LMAO...its not that bad, if you invest in Kevlar...
26 757drvr : LAX does this almost every night for noise abatement. Has nothing to do with New Years or gun fire.
27 Post contains links and images Queso : What would it have hit before it hit the plane to cause it to start tumbling? How? The heaviest .30 caliber (.308) bullets are not 2" in length. Even
28 Post contains images Airfoilsguy : Or a meteor
29 LAXintl : Correct, however the swap on New Year's eve was done earlier in the evening based on safety concens, not for the nightly noise reduction for communit
30 Post contains images ImperialEagle : My point is that by firing into the ground the idiots lower the risk of a stray bullet hitting a plane or some other innocent person----by a wide mar
31 MD80fanatic : What I meant was.....it's the natural tendency of humans to look (and shoot believe it or not) skyward during their celebration ritual. No one looks d
32 AirframeAS : And here in PHX (and the surrounding areas in Maricopa County), it is illegal to shoot a gun stright up in the air 365 days a year as a stray bullet
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