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Live Mice Found On UA897 At PEK  
User currently offlineGeekydude From China, joined Apr 2004, 401 posts, RR: 2
Posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 6384 times:

Just read this on the web. Sorry the text is in Chinese only.
It basically says on Jan 6 cleaning workers at PEK found a hole in a pillow and and a live mouse when changing pillow cases; a worker also found a dead mouse when cleaning the seats. Authorities then came , quarantined the aircraft, and found 5 other live mice in the infested pillows. Then they set numerous traps and captured 2 other mice the next morning. So altogether 8 mice were found. It's not sure at the moment if the rodents carried any diseases. But I am glad at least they're captured given the possibility that mice could be flight hazard if they chew up wires.

http://news.sohu.com/20080108/n254515453.shtml

[Edited 2008-01-07 17:15:40]


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User currently offlineBoston92 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3390 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 6363 times:



Quoting Geekydude (Thread starter):
But I am glad at least they're captured

For all we know, there might be 400 mice on the plane.



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User currently offlineLeezyjet From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 4041 posts, RR: 53
Reply 2, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 6350 times:

Nothing new, happens pretty regularly at most major international airports, just never makes the papers as it isn't really newsworthy although in most cases is it just a single instance rather than multiple stowaways as in this case. Can you imagine if the papers had reported about mice/rats etc. on ships back in the day - there would need to be whole issues just about rodents onboard !!!.

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User currently offlineUAL747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 6252 times:

In flight unidentified animals/insects have often made me think.

You know how continents cut off certain organisms from populating another continent because of the extreme water masses that lay between continents, well, with aviation, I've often wondered if planes pick up insects, and in this case, rodents, and transport them to other countries, causing that continent/country to become populated with other, never-before-seen species.

Anyway, interesting case here. Wonder if it was the UA ORD-PEK flight. But in any case, what is a UA plane doing overnighting at PEK long enough to catch so many mice?

UAL


User currently offlineGlydrflyr From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 207 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 6236 times:

This is what ya get when ya take all the snakes off the plane.


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User currently offlineLincoln From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 3887 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 6117 times:

An author 'friend' wrote and published a book titled "Snakes of Hawaii: An authoritative, illustrated and complete guide to exotic species indigenous to the 50th state"

It had 36 blank pages. It also sold 35,000 copies (he claimed that one woman called to complain that one page was stapled in upside down  Wink )

The only snakes (or their parents) on the islands of Hawaii arrived as stoways in aircraft landing gear

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User currently onlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12322 posts, RR: 25
Reply 6, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 6096 times:



Quoting Geekydude (Thread starter):
t basically says on Jan 6 cleaning workers at PEK found a hole in a pillow and and a live mouse when changing pillow cases; a worker also found a dead mouse when cleaning the seats. Authorities then came , quarantined the aircraft, and found 5 other live mice in the infested pillows. Then they set numerous traps and captured 2 other mice the next morning. So altogether 8 mice were found. It's not sure at the moment if the rodents carried any diseases.

Were the mice flying F class or Y? The cheese is nicer in F class!  Smile



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User currently offline777fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2490 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 6071 times:



Quoting Lincoln (Reply 5):
The only snakes (or their parents) on the islands of Hawaii arrived as stoways in aircraft landing gear

Well, if there were any, rest assured the state authorities would put out an APB to catch them. As many know, an accidental snake stowaway led to the permanent destruction of Guam's avian population. I can recall KHNL in Honolulu putting out a "Breaking News" clip when a local reported seeing a snake on the Like Like Highway a couple of years ago. Funny, but serious business to a place that is home to many exotic birds.


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User currently offlineB2443 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 703 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 6001 times:



Quoting UAL747 (Reply 3):
Wonder if it was the UA ORD-PEK flight. But in any case, what is a UA plane doing overnighting at PEK long enough to catch so many mice?

A report says it was UA897 from IAD. UA flights from ORD/IAD to PEK usually only stop for a couple hours before returning back to the US. The SFO flight stays overnight.


User currently offlineGeekydude From China, joined Apr 2004, 401 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 5997 times:



Quoting UAL747 (Reply 3):
Anyway, interesting case here. Wonder if it was the UA ORD-PEK flight. But in any case, what is a UA plane doing overnighting at PEK long enough to catch so many mice?

Good question. That little piece of news report sure says the plane stayed overnight. But the UAL website does not seem to indicate any anomaly if you check the flight status.

Quoting Revelation (Reply 6):
Were the mice flying F class or Y? The cheese is nicer in F class! Smile

Well, do not know about the first 6 mice, but one of the last two that were caught the next morning was said to be found in the cockpit, and the other one caught in the passenger cabin, class unknown.



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User currently offlineB2443 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 703 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 5959 times:



Quoting Geekydude (Reply 9):
That little piece of news report sure says the plane stayed overnight. But the UAL website does not seem to indicate any anomaly if you check the flight status.

Guess the SFO (that's supposed to stay overnight) flight was subbed in for IAD flight.


User currently offlineDCAYOW From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 595 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 5620 times:

Does anyone find it weird that it was only the cleaning crew that discovered some of the mice in PILLOWS? I mean an IAD-PEK flight would have high pillow utilization and none of the passengers noticed a dead mouse in their pillow... weird!


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User currently offlineSpencerII From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 5596 times:



Quoting DCAYOW (Reply 11):
Does anyone find it weird that it was only the cleaning crew that discovered some of the mice in PILLOWS? I mean an IAD-PEK flight would have high pillow utilization and none of the passengers noticed a dead mouse in their pillow... weird

Yes, I find it questionable. That many mice on a flight, it looks to me as though a passenger on board would have noticed.


User currently offlineLeezyjet From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 4041 posts, RR: 53
Reply 13, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 5586 times:



Quoting DCAYOW (Reply 11):
Does anyone find it weird that it was only the cleaning crew that discovered some of the mice in PILLOWS? I mean an IAD-PEK flight would have high pillow utilization and none of the passengers noticed a dead mouse in their pillow... weird!

Maybe they were part of the catering, after all the Chinese will eat anything...... duck  ........only joking  Wink

Quoting UAL747 (Reply 3):
You know how continents cut off certain organisms from populating another continent because of the extreme water masses that lay between continents, well, with aviation, I've often wondered if planes pick up insects, and in this case, rodents, and transport them to other countries, causing that continent/country to become populated with other, never-before-seen species.

You don't get it quite so much with aviation, but when ships were the main form of transport they were responsible for an awful lot of that stuff happening. Rats were brought into the UK via the London docks on ships from Russia and now they are almost everywhere throughout the land, and also Grey Squirrels were brought in from the US which are now almost wiping out the native Red Squirrel in parts of the UK.

The one thing I do notice though since working at LHR is the amount of tiny little black flies that are normally found in the toilets of the airport. I had never seen them before I started working there, so I guess they have come in from some far away land too.

 Smile



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User currently offlineArrow From Canada, joined Jun 2002, 2676 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 5472 times:
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Quoting 777fan (Reply 7):
I can recall KHNL in Honolulu putting out a "Breaking News" clip when a local reported seeing a snake on the Like Like Highway a couple of years ago. Funny, but serious business to a place that is home to many exotic birds.

And Hawaii's experience with deliberately introduced species is not a happy one, I understand. Didn't they bring in mongooses to control the rats, only to now have a serious mongoose problem? What eats mongooses? Not snakes, I guess.



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User currently offlineFiatstilojtd From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 5356 times:



Quoting Revelation (Reply 6):
The cheese is nicer in F class!

not to be a smartass here, but mice do not like cheese, they like sugar.......


User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 49
Reply 16, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 5298 times:

Maybe it is part of the healthier "Buy on board" offerings they are coming up with.


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User currently offlineORDagent From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 823 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 5222 times:

This isn't anything new at all. When I worked for aa 91-94 there were roaches in just about all the A300-600Rs as well as any other aircraft that went south of Miami regularly. In 91 or so a brand new MD-11 was grounded in MAN as mice had decided to nest in an emergency exit slide. The plane had to be completely fumigated and the slides removed and checked and/or replaced. Vermin are nothing new. They all have Exec Platinum status most of the time too!

User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21471 posts, RR: 60
Reply 18, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 5199 times:

I think the only "news" here is that they had infested a stock of pillows, and that is creepy. Mice on planes is not new, and most widebodies have some most of the time.

Quoting ORDagent (Reply 17):
When I worked for aa 91-94 there were roaches in just about all the A300-600Rs as well as any other aircraft that went south of Miami regularly.

They are called Palmetto bugs down in Miami, since "flying roaches on the sidewalk" doesn't sound as romantic.  Smile



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User currently offlineLuv2cattlecall From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1650 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 5137 times:
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So NW really did have the pax best interests in mind when the eliminated pillows domestically?


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User currently offlineUnited From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 312 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4879 times:

ew- creepy, especially since i flew UA898 pek-iad yesterday (7. January)

User currently offlineAirForceOne From Canada, joined Aug 2006, 61 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4698 times:

How Does a rat get from terminal to airplane without being spotted. I watched in vancouver theirs always 2 or 3 people around the airplane. Doesnt mean their like this in China. And Mice dont even try to hide. They stop and sniff and even run around in circles.

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User currently offlineCAP2008 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 255 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4627 times:



Quoting UAL747 (Reply 3):
You know how continents cut off certain organisms from populating another continent because of the extreme water masses that lay between continents, well, with aviation, I've often wondered if planes pick up insects, and in this case, rodents, and transport them to other countries, causing that continent/country to become populated with other, never-before-seen species.

A few months ago, I recall seeing a segment on 2020/nightline/primetime- can't remember exactly, about this Ramada in downtown San Fransisco which was infested with bed bugs from somewhere in Asia, because of international travelers. The bad thing is that I stayed at that hotel about a month before seeing that segment on TV.  vomit 



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User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 23, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 4506 times:



Quoting Leezyjet (Reply 13):
Maybe they were part of the catering



Quoting AirForceOne (Reply 21):
How Does a rat get from terminal to airplane without being spotted.

Typically, the mice get loaded with the meals.


User currently offline777fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2490 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 4171 times:



Quoting Arrow (Reply 14):
Didn't they bring in mongooses to control the rats, only to now have a serious mongoose problem?

Yes, that's the rumor. To answer your other question, I don't know of anything in the Isles that prey on them other than the occasional SUV.

Back on topic: I know that internationally arriving a/c are often sprayed for insects upon arrival but how many are ever searched for rodents? IIRC, there have been other instances of this. That said, you'd think that carriers would go out of their way to avoid this for more reasons than the (obvious) negative publicity: rodents are known to carry any number of diseases, airborne or otherwise, to include the hantavirus!


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25 Aviateur : Lots of aircraft have mice. And cockroaches, and various other uninvited guests. Why is that surprising? Buildings have mice; why not planes? These ar
26 Brenintw : Actually, mongooses eat snakes -- one of their favorite snacks. (BTW, many mongooses are immune to snake venom.)
27 Post contains images HNLtrades118 : That's classic. I can attest to that too. I've almost run them over in my travels (student driver!) I personally do not recommend the use of mongoose
28 Tsnamm : Well the unpressurized/unheated cargo holds should eliminate a number of the stowaways...but the rest of the plane would be quite inviting...
29 PHKLM : It's as old as the vessels that were navigating the seas around 500 years ago. They brought many animals, deceases (and human beings) to other contin
30 WestWing : Cargo holds are pressurized and have temperature control, though it is possible for the latter to be inop. Remember that large pets are often transpo
31 Post contains links Geekydude : Update: Lab results finally came and no diseases were found on the mice. The authorities have signed off and released the aircraft (B747). China's sta
32 Viscount724 : But it can create more serious hazards on an aircraft. Rodents often chew wires and cables. I recall an incident a few years ago where a squirrel was
33 ORDagent : From all my experience in and out of the industry people need to realize one thing. Particularly today aircraft are FILTHY! As the airlines have cut b
34 Scalebuilder : Surely I can understand and appreciate that cost cutting has been necessary. But we're looking at a basic pillow that the airline still has decided t
35 Tsnamm : Not all holds are pressureized and temp controlled...in most narrow bodies only 1 or 2 bins are pressureized while the others are not. On wide bodies
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