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Live Mice Found On UA897 At PEK  
User currently offlineGeekydude From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 7373 times:

Just read this on the web. Sorry the text is in Chinese only.
It basically says on Jan 6 cleaning workers at PEK found a hole in a pillow and and a live mouse when changing pillow cases; a worker also found a dead mouse when cleaning the seats. Authorities then came , quarantined the aircraft, and found 5 other live mice in the infested pillows. Then they set numerous traps and captured 2 other mice the next morning. So altogether 8 mice were found. It's not sure at the moment if the rodents carried any diseases. But I am glad at least they're captured given the possibility that mice could be flight hazard if they chew up wires.

http://news.sohu.com/20080108/n254515453.shtml

[Edited 2008-01-07 17:15:40]

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User currently offlineBoston92 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 7352 times:



Quoting Geekydude (Thread starter):
But I am glad at least they're captured

For all we know, there might be 400 mice on the plane.


User currently offlineLeezyjet From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 7339 times:

Nothing new, happens pretty regularly at most major international airports, just never makes the papers as it isn't really newsworthy although in most cases is it just a single instance rather than multiple stowaways as in this case. Can you imagine if the papers had reported about mice/rats etc. on ships back in the day - there would need to be whole issues just about rodents onboard !!!.

 Smile


User currently offlineUAL747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 7241 times:

In flight unidentified animals/insects have often made me think.

You know how continents cut off certain organisms from populating another continent because of the extreme water masses that lay between continents, well, with aviation, I've often wondered if planes pick up insects, and in this case, rodents, and transport them to other countries, causing that continent/country to become populated with other, never-before-seen species.

Anyway, interesting case here. Wonder if it was the UA ORD-PEK flight. But in any case, what is a UA plane doing overnighting at PEK long enough to catch so many mice?

UAL


User currently offlineGlydrflyr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 7225 times:

This is what ya get when ya take all the snakes off the plane.

User currently offlineLincoln From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 7106 times:

An author 'friend' wrote and published a book titled "Snakes of Hawaii: An authoritative, illustrated and complete guide to exotic species indigenous to the 50th state"

It had 36 blank pages. It also sold 35,000 copies (he claimed that one woman called to complain that one page was stapled in upside down  Wink )

The only snakes (or their parents) on the islands of Hawaii arrived as stoways in aircraft landing gear

Lincoln


User currently offlineRevelation From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 7085 times:



Quoting Geekydude (Thread starter):
t basically says on Jan 6 cleaning workers at PEK found a hole in a pillow and and a live mouse when changing pillow cases; a worker also found a dead mouse when cleaning the seats. Authorities then came , quarantined the aircraft, and found 5 other live mice in the infested pillows. Then they set numerous traps and captured 2 other mice the next morning. So altogether 8 mice were found. It's not sure at the moment if the rodents carried any diseases.

Were the mice flying F class or Y? The cheese is nicer in F class!  Smile


User currently offline777fan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 7060 times:



Quoting Lincoln (Reply 5):
The only snakes (or their parents) on the islands of Hawaii arrived as stoways in aircraft landing gear

Well, if there were any, rest assured the state authorities would put out an APB to catch them. As many know, an accidental snake stowaway led to the permanent destruction of Guam's avian population. I can recall KHNL in Honolulu putting out a "Breaking News" clip when a local reported seeing a snake on the Like Like Highway a couple of years ago. Funny, but serious business to a place that is home to many exotic birds.


777fan


User currently offlineB2443 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 6990 times:



Quoting UAL747 (Reply 3):
Wonder if it was the UA ORD-PEK flight. But in any case, what is a UA plane doing overnighting at PEK long enough to catch so many mice?

A report says it was UA897 from IAD. UA flights from ORD/IAD to PEK usually only stop for a couple hours before returning back to the US. The SFO flight stays overnight.


User currently offlineGeekydude From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 6986 times:



Quoting UAL747 (Reply 3):
Anyway, interesting case here. Wonder if it was the UA ORD-PEK flight. But in any case, what is a UA plane doing overnighting at PEK long enough to catch so many mice?

Good question. That little piece of news report sure says the plane stayed overnight. But the UAL website does not seem to indicate any anomaly if you check the flight status.

Quoting Revelation (Reply 6):
Were the mice flying F class or Y? The cheese is nicer in F class! Smile

Well, do not know about the first 6 mice, but one of the last two that were caught the next morning was said to be found in the cockpit, and the other one caught in the passenger cabin, class unknown.


User currently offlineB2443 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 6948 times:



Quoting Geekydude (Reply 9):
That little piece of news report sure says the plane stayed overnight. But the UAL website does not seem to indicate any anomaly if you check the flight status.

Guess the SFO (that's supposed to stay overnight) flight was subbed in for IAD flight.


User currently offlineDCAYOW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6609 times:

Does anyone find it weird that it was only the cleaning crew that discovered some of the mice in PILLOWS? I mean an IAD-PEK flight would have high pillow utilization and none of the passengers noticed a dead mouse in their pillow... weird!

User currently offlineSpencerII From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6585 times:



Quoting DCAYOW (Reply 11):
Does anyone find it weird that it was only the cleaning crew that discovered some of the mice in PILLOWS? I mean an IAD-PEK flight would have high pillow utilization and none of the passengers noticed a dead mouse in their pillow... weird

Yes, I find it questionable. That many mice on a flight, it looks to me as though a passenger on board would have noticed.


User currently offlineLeezyjet From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6575 times:



Quoting DCAYOW (Reply 11):
Does anyone find it weird that it was only the cleaning crew that discovered some of the mice in PILLOWS? I mean an IAD-PEK flight would have high pillow utilization and none of the passengers noticed a dead mouse in their pillow... weird!

Maybe they were part of the catering, after all the Chinese will eat anything...... duck  ........only joking  Wink

Quoting UAL747 (Reply 3):
You know how continents cut off certain organisms from populating another continent because of the extreme water masses that lay between continents, well, with aviation, I've often wondered if planes pick up insects, and in this case, rodents, and transport them to other countries, causing that continent/country to become populated with other, never-before-seen species.

You don't get it quite so much with aviation, but when ships were the main form of transport they were responsible for an awful lot of that stuff happening. Rats were brought into the UK via the London docks on ships from Russia and now they are almost everywhere throughout the land, and also Grey Squirrels were brought in from the US which are now almost wiping out the native Red Squirrel in parts of the UK.

The one thing I do notice though since working at LHR is the amount of tiny little black flies that are normally found in the toilets of the airport. I had never seen them before I started working there, so I guess they have come in from some far away land too.

 Smile


User currently offlineArrow From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 6461 times:



Quoting 777fan (Reply 7):
I can recall KHNL in Honolulu putting out a "Breaking News" clip when a local reported seeing a snake on the Like Like Highway a couple of years ago. Funny, but serious business to a place that is home to many exotic birds.

And Hawaii's experience with deliberately introduced species is not a happy one, I understand. Didn't they bring in mongooses to control the rats, only to now have a serious mongoose problem? What eats mongooses? Not snakes, I guess.


User currently offlineFiatstilojtd From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 6345 times:



Quoting Revelation (Reply 6):
The cheese is nicer in F class!

not to be a smartass here, but mice do not like cheese, they like sugar.......


User currently offlineLuv2fly From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 6287 times:
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Maybe it is part of the healthier "Buy on board" offerings they are coming up with.

User currently offlineORDagent From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 6211 times:

This isn't anything new at all. When I worked for aa 91-94 there were roaches in just about all the A300-600Rs as well as any other aircraft that went south of Miami regularly. In 91 or so a brand new MD-11 was grounded in MAN as mice had decided to nest in an emergency exit slide. The plane had to be completely fumigated and the slides removed and checked and/or replaced. Vermin are nothing new. They all have Exec Platinum status most of the time too!

User currently offlineIkramerica From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 6188 times:

I think the only "news" here is that they had infested a stock of pillows, and that is creepy. Mice on planes is not new, and most widebodies have some most of the time.

Quoting ORDagent (Reply 17):
When I worked for aa 91-94 there were roaches in just about all the A300-600Rs as well as any other aircraft that went south of Miami regularly.

They are called Palmetto bugs down in Miami, since "flying roaches on the sidewalk" doesn't sound as romantic.  Smile


User currently offlineLuv2cattlecall From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 6126 times:
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So NW really did have the pax best interests in mind when the eliminated pillows domestically?

User currently offlineUnited From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 5868 times:

ew- creepy, especially since i flew UA898 pek-iad yesterday (7. January)

User currently offlineAirForceOne From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 5687 times:

How Does a rat get from terminal to airplane without being spotted. I watched in vancouver theirs always 2 or 3 people around the airplane. Doesnt mean their like this in China. And Mice dont even try to hide. They stop and sniff and even run around in circles.

AirForceOne


User currently offlineCAP2008 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 5616 times:



Quoting UAL747 (Reply 3):
You know how continents cut off certain organisms from populating another continent because of the extreme water masses that lay between continents, well, with aviation, I've often wondered if planes pick up insects, and in this case, rodents, and transport them to other countries, causing that continent/country to become populated with other, never-before-seen species.

A few months ago, I recall seeing a segment on 2020/nightline/primetime- can't remember exactly, about this Ramada in downtown San Fransisco which was infested with bed bugs from somewhere in Asia, because of international travelers. The bad thing is that I stayed at that hotel about a month before seeing that segment on TV.  vomit 


User currently offlineZvezda From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 5495 times:



Quoting Leezyjet (Reply 13):
Maybe they were part of the catering



Quoting AirForceOne (Reply 21):
How Does a rat get from terminal to airplane without being spotted.

Typically, the mice get loaded with the meals.


User currently offline777fan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 5160 times:



Quoting Arrow (Reply 14):
Didn't they bring in mongooses to control the rats, only to now have a serious mongoose problem?

Yes, that's the rumor. To answer your other question, I don't know of anything in the Isles that prey on them other than the occasional SUV.

Back on topic: I know that internationally arriving a/c are often sprayed for insects upon arrival but how many are ever searched for rodents? IIRC, there have been other instances of this. That said, you'd think that carriers would go out of their way to avoid this for more reasons than the (obvious) negative publicity: rodents are known to carry any number of diseases, airborne or otherwise, to include the hantavirus!


777fan


25 Aviateur : Lots of aircraft have mice. And cockroaches, and various other uninvited guests. Why is that surprising? Buildings have mice; why not planes? These ar
26 Brenintw : Actually, mongooses eat snakes -- one of their favorite snacks. (BTW, many mongooses are immune to snake venom.)
27 Post contains images HNLtrades118 : That's classic. I can attest to that too. I've almost run them over in my travels (student driver!) I personally do not recommend the use of mongoose
28 Tsnamm : Well the unpressurized/unheated cargo holds should eliminate a number of the stowaways...but the rest of the plane would be quite inviting...
29 PHKLM : It's as old as the vessels that were navigating the seas around 500 years ago. They brought many animals, deceases (and human beings) to other contin
30 WestWing : Cargo holds are pressurized and have temperature control, though it is possible for the latter to be inop. Remember that large pets are often transpo
31 Post contains links Geekydude : Update: Lab results finally came and no diseases were found on the mice. The authorities have signed off and released the aircraft (B747). China's sta
32 Viscount724 : But it can create more serious hazards on an aircraft. Rodents often chew wires and cables. I recall an incident a few years ago where a squirrel was
33 ORDagent : From all my experience in and out of the industry people need to realize one thing. Particularly today aircraft are FILTHY! As the airlines have cut b
34 Scalebuilder : Surely I can understand and appreciate that cost cutting has been necessary. But we're looking at a basic pillow that the airline still has decided t
35 Tsnamm : Not all holds are pressureized and temp controlled...in most narrow bodies only 1 or 2 bins are pressureized while the others are not. On wide bodies
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