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Air Canada F/A Requirements New Rule?  
User currently offline744 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 449 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 5157 times:

Hello Everyone,
I have recently acquired Canadian Premanent Residence status. I just applied for my dream job to work as a flight attendant for my favorite airline Air Canada. They have asked me to submit a copy of my Canadian passport in order to complete my application? I contacted the Canadian Consulate and they mentioned that I have to live in Canada for three years in order to apply for a Canadian passport? According to my friends working at Air Canada, they have seen flight attendants with different nationalities holding a Canadian Permanent Resident (PR) card working as a F/A for AC. I went through a long application process, spent more than $3000.00 to get my visa done and now it seems like AC changed their rule. Can someone please.........help me to over come this terrible obsticle by providing my with any possible solution to this horrible problem. Currently I'm holding a US Passport with is almost equivalent to a Canadian passport or better. Being a permanent landed immigrant in Canada, why would they need me to get a Canadian passport as I am legally authorized to work in the country?
Happy New Year!

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User currently offlineCF105Arrow From Canada, joined Oct 2007, 320 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 5116 times:

I am no expert on the subject but until somebody else gives you a better answer:

Once you become a permanent resident, by law, you are automatically entitled to apply for any job (unless it needs a high-level security clearance requirement). I doubt FA are deemed to be a security threat; therefore it shouldn't be a problem.

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/newcomers/about-pr.asp

Happy New Year

Sam


User currently offlineMilan320 From Canada, joined Jan 2005, 869 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 5094 times:



Quoting 744 (Thread starter):
Currently I'm holding a US Passport with is almost equivalent to a Canadian passport or better.

No offence intended, but in this day and age, especially when it comes to international travel and politics, I say the Canadian passport is viewed more favourably than American. So in what way is the American one better?

BR,
/Milan320



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User currently offlineQblue From Canada, joined Jun 2004, 160 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 5047 times:

I think AC just want you to have A passport the application might say Canadian passport but all they want is a passport number that they can use to check you out. You do not have to be a Canadian citizen to work for AC and you have to be Canadian citizen to be able to receive Canadian passport.

User currently offlineJamincan From Canada, joined Aug 2006, 776 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 5018 times:



Quoting Qblue (Reply 3):
I think AC just want you to have A passport the application might say Canadian passport but all they want is a passport number that they can use to check you out. You do not have to be a Canadian citizen to work for AC and you have to be Canadian citizen to be able to receive Canadian passport.

That would be my guess as well.


User currently offlineWildcatYXU From Canada, joined May 2006, 2636 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 4982 times:

Very interesting, in you go to AC's website and check out the job requirements, you find this for pilots (among others):

Canadian citizenship or landed immigrant status.

For FA's:

Possess a valid Canadian passport

I consider this weird. Why is enough to be a landed immigrant for a pilot, but the FA has to be a citizen? Is AC in so dire need of pilots?

744, the situation with obtaining the passport is even worse. 3 years is the minimum time you have to spend in Canada to be eligible to apply for canadian citizenship. Once you apply, it may take another year or so (depending where you live).


User currently offlineACFA From Canada, joined Feb 2007, 261 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4909 times:

There has been a change in policy in effect for the last couple of years. Now Canadian passports are a requirement. This is due to the fact that during the 2005 hiring, several non-Canadian passport holders had problems obtaining required visas, therefore the company will no longer accept someone that has a non-Canadian passport to work as an FA.

User currently offlineDrgmobile From Canada, joined Aug 2006, 659 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4874 times:

I consider this weird. Why is enough to be a landed immigrant for a pilot, but the FA has to be a citizen? Is AC in so dire need of pilots?

A better union? Just a guess.


User currently offlineAC777LR From Canada, joined Apr 2006, 487 posts, RR: 40
Reply 8, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 4771 times:



Quoting Milan320 (Reply 2):
No offence intended, but in this day and age, especially when it comes to international travel and politics, I say the Canadian passport is viewed more favourably than American. So in what way is the American one better?

Yeah I would think so to, a Canadian Passport will gain entry into more countries as well.



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User currently offlineChrisA330 From Canada, joined Oct 1999, 634 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 4765 times:



Quoting WildcatYXU (Reply 5):
consider this weird. Why is enough to be a landed immigrant for a pilot, but the FA has to be a citizen? Is AC in so dire need of pilots?

Probably not in dire need, but it's more difficult to find and recruit pilots than FAs. So by lifting the Citizenship restriction it opens up a new pool of potential candidates. Basically Supply and Demand


User currently offlineAuroraLives From Canada, joined Nov 2007, 182 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 4723 times:



Quoting AC777LR (Reply 8):
Yeah I would think so to, a Canadian Passport will gain entry into more countries as well.

Like all those AC <-> Cuba flights might be a weee bit problematic with just a US Passport.....


User currently offlineLH423 From Canada, joined Jul 1999, 6501 posts, RR: 54
Reply 11, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 4671 times:



Quoting AC777LR (Reply 8):
Yeah I would think so to, a Canadian Passport will gain entry into more countries as well.

Actually, requirements for Canadian and American citizens in terms of entry requirements are pretty much identical. However, the US government holds restrictions on its citizens to places like Cuba. Canadian and American passports are pretty much equals, legally. How the citizens are seen is a different matter.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:CanadaVisaFree.PNG
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:USVisaFree.PNG

As I recall, AC has had the passport requirement on their website for years. I'm not sure the reasoning but I know that most European airlines also require flight attendants hold an EU passport. I believe most US airlines only require employees have permanent residency. Westjet also only requires permanent residency.

Like I said, I've seen the passport requirement for years on Air Canada's website. Your best bet is to contact AC and see how strict they hold to that rule. Your permanent residency entitles you to live and work in Canada but companies are free to impose their own requirements, including citizenship.

LH423



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User currently offlineVonRichtofen From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 4629 posts, RR: 36
Reply 12, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 4666 times:

Does AC still require F/A's to be bilingual?


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User currently offline744 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 449 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 4652 times:

My friend applied 6 months with a Brazilian passport and a PR card and got in. What a disappointment that they change the rule? Also, if you are a landed immigrant, you go through background checks, medical checks, and various other test and interviews to get to that stage. Why can't they restrict to countries that require visas, rather than punishing all other citizens  Sad

User currently offlineLH423 From Canada, joined Jul 1999, 6501 posts, RR: 54
Reply 14, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 4625 times:

Quoting VonRichtofen (Reply 12):
Does AC still require F/A's to be bilingual?

Yes, in accordance with the Air Canada Public Participation Act.

However, they have the following exception: "Priority will be given to candidates completely fluent in English and French. Candidates fluent in English or French and one or more of the following languages will also be considered: Japanese, Korean, Cantonese, Mandarin, Spanish, Italian, German, Arabic, Hebrew, Portuguese."

So, under my interpretation, someone who speaks English and German (but not French) can apply. It also appears someone who speaks French and Spanish (but not English) can apply, but I don't think that's correct. I believe English is mandatory.

Quoting 744 (Reply 13):
My friend applied 6 months with a Brazilian passport and a PR card and got in. What a disappointment that they change the rule?

Check my post. They haven't changed the rule in the past six months, according to their website. Again, contact AC and ask them if it's still possible, and if not how your friend got in being in the same situation.

LH423

[Edited 2008-01-08 10:09:51]


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User currently offlineBond007 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 5428 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 4587 times:



Quoting AuroraLives (Reply 10):
Like all those AC <-> Cuba flights might be a weee bit problematic with just a US Passport.....

Well that's one good reason right there. You might get away with being a US citizen in Cuba, working for a Canadian company, as long as you don't spend a cent of your own money.


Jimbo



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User currently offlineACFA From Canada, joined Feb 2007, 261 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 4587 times:

As far as I know, there are no exceptions to this policy.

User currently offlineAuroraLives From Canada, joined Nov 2007, 182 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 4472 times:



Quoting Bond007 (Reply 15):
Well that's one good reason right there. You might get away with being a US citizen in Cuba, working for a Canadian company, as long as you don't spend a cent of your own money.

Cool.... I never thought of it that way. Just don't get the stamp in the passport and expect an easy entry back to the US though  Smile


User currently offlineYYCRampRat From Canada, joined Apr 2007, 36 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 4396 times:



Quoting 744 (Thread starter):
Being a permanent landed immigrant in Canada, why would they need me to get a Canadian passport as I am legally authorized to work in the country?

It's not so much for the job, but more for the Restricted Area Pass application. With a Canadian Passport it speeds the process up considerably. With a passport from another country it can take a much longer time to get all the background checks completed. I've seen passes take up to 6 months to be completed. Since the pass is issued by an outside agency, not AIr Canada I can see why they would like to expedite the process, especially for FA's and Pilots. It's not as big of an issue for other positions as their pass is usally only good for a local airport, not nationally like the FA's and pilots.

I'd suggest applying for a different position within the company, working for 6 months (probation period) and once you get you RAP applying for the the FA position as an internal application.


User currently offlineA380US From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2358 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 4334 times:



Quoting Milan320 (Reply 2):

Quoting 744 (Thread starter):
Currently I'm holding a US Passport with is almost equivalent to a Canadian passport or better.

No offence intended, but in this day and age, especially when it comes to international travel and politics, I say the Canadian passport is viewed more favourably than American. So in what way is the American one better?

i actually think its just a way of keeping tract of you Canada



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25653 posts, RR: 22
Reply 20, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 4206 times:



Quoting WildcatYXU (Reply 5):
I consider this weird. Why is enough to be a landed immigrant for a pilot, but the FA has to be a citizen? Is AC in so dire need of pilots?

There is currently a worldwide pilot shortage so they probably have to be more flexible. I'm sure they can find enough qualified flight attendant applicants who are Canadian citizens.


User currently offlineAF340 From Canada, joined Jul 2007, 2786 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 4170 times:



Quoting WildcatYXU (Reply 5):
Is AC in so dire need of pilots?

No.


They apparently turn down 2 out of 3 fit applicants. I actually asked the Head of Pilot Hiring at AC and he doesn't believe that there will be a shortage in the upcoming future.



Liam spin 


User currently offlineYWGfarmer From Canada, joined May 2007, 38 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks ago) and read 3634 times:



Quoting 744 (Thread starter):
Currently I'm holding a US Passport with is almost equivalent to a Canadian passport or better.

I'm also curious as to where "or better" would come in.


User currently offlinePnwtraveler From Canada, joined Jun 2007, 2250 posts, RR: 12
Reply 23, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3132 times:

Are there no US Citizens who work for AC as F/A's and are based in a US city? I am thinking of the 7am flight from LGA to YYZ for example, or from DCA to YYZ.

User currently offlineChrisA330 From Canada, joined Oct 1999, 634 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3109 times:



Quoting Pnwtraveler (Reply 23):
I am thinking of the 7am flight from LGA to YYZ for example, or from DCA to YYZ.

Crew will layover from a late inbound flight the night before. All FAs are Canadian based.


25 LongHauler : Usually, the crew (pilots and F/As) that crew the first flights out of DCA, LGA, BOS, EWR, etc, arrive in town the early afternoon before. The late a
26 YOWza : Well Cuba has no problems allowing US citizens into the country. Further to that the crew is provided with transportation and lodging by AC so they a
27 474218 : What countries stamp the passports of individual airline crews members? My experience is that a manifest is used as the entry and exit document for a
28 YOWza : I'm not sure which if any do. I was merely responding to people's comments suggesting that a US passport in Cuba would be problematic from the viewpo
29 ReidYYZ : I too am curious. 744, its been 28 posts since you made the most arrogant statement I have ever read here on Anet! You still have not explained why h
30 Bond007 : No, but the US does, and he/she is still a US citizen regardless of residency. Also a F/A doesn't fit into the 'approved' visitors list AFAIK ... lik
31 Aca77lfan : Permanent Resident status lets you work nd live in Canada as long as you want. However, some organisations, like Federal Government Departments often
32 744 : Dear ReidYYZ, Please don't get me wrong. What I meant was it is harder to get a US Passport than a Canadian Passport for some of us. Please do not get
33 Post contains images Bond007 : Ah, so that explains why so few people in the US have passports at all then Jimbo
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