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PIA To Increase New York Service  
User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4509 times:

PIA plan add one more flight on Pakistan-MAN-JFK route later this month and another in March, raising the number to four weekly, all with 77W.

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User currently offlineAlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 13
Reply 1, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 4343 times:

PIA was at 4xweekly over the summer but then recently went down to 2xweekly. I guess they are adding more flights again for the summer season.


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User currently offlineA380US From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2358 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4112 times:

can someone explain to me why its not non-stop
the 77W should be able to do the trip right?
and is it because there isn't enough demand non-stop?



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User currently offlineDavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7379 posts, RR: 13
Reply 3, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3998 times:
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Quoting A380US (Reply 2):
can someone explain to me why its not non-stop
the 77W should be able to do the trip right?

Can't help feeling that US agencies would prefer an en-route stop for security prior to landing in JFK rather than trust the Pakistani agencies and their security checks.


User currently offlineBurj From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 901 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3897 times:



Quoting David_itl (Reply 3):
Can't help feeling that US agencies would prefer an en-route stop for security prior to landing in JFK rather than trust the Pakistani agencies and their security checks.

It isn't a prefer issue.

PIA is not allowed to fly non-stop from Karachi to America. I *think* they actually do have permission to fly non-stop from Lahore or Islamabad, but NOT Karachi due to concerns with security at the Karachi airport.

I read once that PIA was considering offering KHI->MAN->JFK but offering direct JFK->KHI on the return.

Honestly this is one (of many) reasons that Pakistanis prefer Emirates to New York over PIA. It is nicer to have a short hop to DXB, and then a long flight from DXB to JFK where you can settle in/relax/sleep. With the stop in Manchester they make EVERYONE get off with all their belongings and go through security screening. Many of them consider that demeaning.


User currently offlineAT From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1044 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3607 times:

"PIA is not allowed to fly non-stop from Karachi to America."

By whom??


User currently offlineOly720man From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 6737 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3468 times:



Quoting AT (Reply 5):
"PIA is not allowed to fly non-stop from Karachi to America."

By whom??

Not just KHI.

http://www.nation.com.pk/daily/mar-2006/31/index9.php

LAHORE - The US Homeland Security, expressing its security concerns, has not permitted PIA to bring its nonstop flight to New York, sources in the airline confided to The Nation here on Thursday.
PIA flight Pk-711 is scheduled to fly to New York non-stop today. It is interesting to note that the route of PIA flight PK-721 leaving Lahore for New York last Sunday was changed at the eleventh hour due to unknown reasons.
A delegation comprising officials from US main security agencies including Home Land Security and Traffic Safety Authority visited Pakistan recently and expressed their security concerns over the prevalent security measures at various International Airports.
The US security officials termed the security environment at Karachi and Islamabad Airports as worst where they believed that many influentials got away without security search and checks. They also said in the report that there were many entrance points on these airports. However, the security arrangements at Allama Iqbal International Airport have been found close to satisfaction, sources added.
It is interesting to note that PIA announced its flight to New York without prior permission from the host country. According to rules every airline was bound to seek prior permission to change the route from the country concerned.



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User currently offlineBurj From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 901 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3351 times:



Quoting AT (Reply 5):
"PIA is not allowed to fly non-stop from Karachi to America."

By whom??

The United States Government, see above post, thanks Oly720man for the post, didn't realize just how bad it is!


User currently offlineBoysteve From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 939 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3295 times:



Quoting Burj (Reply 7):
The United States Government, see above post, thanks Oly720man for the post, didn't realize just how bad it is!

But is it really as bad as they say? Why do many Western European countries accept flights from Pakistan if it is? Why do other pro-Western countries in the Middle East who are under threat from fundamentalists such as Saudi Arabia and the UAE accept flights from Pakistan if there is such a risk. No matter what your individual thoughts are, or whether the USA is justified or not in making this decision, the fact remains that the US are the odd one's out here!


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