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Flying Into A New Dawn: Irish 2/08  
User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12518 posts, RR: 35
Posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 6904 times:

Hello folks and welcome to the second installment of all things Irish and aeronautical for this year.

There's a lot to look forward to and I see today that SAS is due to increase its services on ARN-DUB, so hopefully other carriers will follow suit. I'm sure EI and FR will also be adding more flights. Incidentally, does anyone know when the two (?) new Aer Lingus A320s are due for delivery; I think it's April and May, but not 100% sure. We should also be hearing about EI's new fleet plan soon, which will hopefully mean some interesting new developments - possibly A319s?

It's good to see RE moving towards jet operations, albeit slowly ... it's good to take things softly softly; it's a big more for what is still a relatively small carrier, so let's hope it goes well for them. If they are seriously thinking about jet ops from GWY, surely the runway there will need to be extended?

Thanks, Brian Dromey, for confirming the position in relation to runway extensions (vis a vis planning) - unfortunately, very much as feared and I think the likely time to have this in place means it's pretty much a non-runner; once again, we're stuffed. Not exactly a new sensation for Irish aviation.

However, let's keep our sunny side up ... there's new developments, new growth and hopefully new carriers to come ...

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User currently offlineNeutral From Ireland, joined Nov 2007, 309 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 6901 times:

As always a good start to the thread,does anyone know the year end traffic figures for Dublin it was due to come in around 23.2 Million ?

User currently offlineShamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6346 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 6901 times:

Just to carry on from the last thread.

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 275):
EI in its current form would be incapacble of attracting any but the lowest yield pax. They just dont have the hard product to do so.



Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 275):
Ireland has many thing to offer, but lets not kid ourselves an world class airport/airline experience is not one of them.

I agree with you but isn't this the attitude we have been talking about, just because currently neither are capable of achieving the things Ireland needs doesn't mean they should just sit back and say "oh well it's never going to happen" Aer Lingus certainly hasn't done that, they are investing in the future and looking ahead. There are few things with EI we don't like such as the Gold Circle Club and the lack of cabin upgrades but in the long run is it all that important to the future of EI and Ireland?

I think the same can be said for the DAA and as Brian said, the runway extension will probably be completed by 2011 which is right in the time frame of the new runway becoming operational (2010-2012) so there wouldn't have been much point to have two runways for a few flights a week. I can see FR kicking up a fuss as well if the runway were to be extended because it would have been pointless.

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 275):
When one compares the product of the likes of LX and EI there is no comparison.

That's no surprise, one is a full service/high fare airline (as Ryanair would call them) and the other is a no frills/low fare airline.


User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12518 posts, RR: 35
Reply 3, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 6887 times:



Quoting Neutral (Reply 1):
As always a good start to the thread,does anyone know the year end traffic figures for Dublin it was due to come in around 23.2 Million ?

Haven't heard any specific figures, but I'd expect it to be around that; ORK has been announced and I guess SNN and DUB should be coming soon; I'll be particularly interested to see long haul figures - US and ME, as well as freight figures too. The DAA is very slow on the latter.

I just wanted to refer to COEI's post at the end of the last thread:

I agree completely with what you say; I flew to SNN and back on 'DUZ at the end of last month/year; it was like being on two different airlines, compared to the older aircraft. It just looks great - new, modern and a nice place to spend 7 or 8 hours. It would make such a difference to get a consistent service; surely that should not be too much to ask for. Given that DM was hired (partly) on the basis of his experience with a long haul carrier and with a view to developing long haul links, I'm really disappointed in this ... Basically, with the two new aircraft, you have the older aircraft (-300s and -200s) which have no PTV at all, one aircraft (DAA) with an older system and two with a brand new one; it just seems very scattered and inconsistent.

I agree that there is no chance of a J Class on short haul, BUT I do think, very strongly, that DUB can make it as an effective hub, particularly if it gets a deal going with RE; between the two of them, they should be able to work out waves of flights, maybe even split some routes between them (i.e EI operates a morning flight with 320s, RE the afternoon, with E70s) ...

Having come through DUB on a connecting flight last month, I didn't find it too bad; you can now connect airside - walking up towards the C pier; it's a pity there's no escalator and it is a bit of a trek, with a narrow corridor. The airport itself is really not a bad place to spend some time; buy a nice Butlers hot choccie and sit down at a computer for a while, then have a look around. There are far worse airports to connect through, in my experience.


User currently offlineSmokeyrosco From Ireland, joined Dec 2005, 2112 posts, RR: 13
Reply 4, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 6877 times:

Quoting Shamrock350 (Reply 2):
will probably be completed by 2011 which is right in the time frame of the new runway becoming operational (2010-2012)

I have to point out that this is only if they started it pretty much immediately when they got planning permission particularly as this was delayed many times. construction hasn't started yet and the DAA hasn't indicated when it will start the 2nd runway.

[Edited 2008-01-08 10:47:35]


John Hancock
User currently offlineShamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6346 posts, RR: 14
Reply 5, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 6857 times:



Quoting Smokeyrosco (Reply 4):
I have to point out that this is only if they started it pretty much immediately when they got planning permission particularly as this was delayed many times. construction hasn't started yet and the DAA hasn't indicated when it will start the 2nd runway.

That's true, the 2010-2012 date was announced quite a while ago and it must be heading towards 2012/13.


User currently offlineDavecFlyer From Ireland, joined Dec 2007, 369 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 6845 times:



Quoting Kaitak (Thread starter):
SAS is due to increase its services on ARN-DUB

I had not heard about this. Do you have the details?



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User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12518 posts, RR: 35
Reply 7, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 6845 times:

I always thought the runway was to be operational by about 2012, so when I checked the DAA website, the date given was 2010-12; I don't know where the 2010 came from! I always thought it was going to be 2012-14 at the earliest.

If there is a significant further delay, I think strong consideration should be given to extending the existing runway; most of the long haul flights (except the 1700 departure to JFK and the EY departures) leave during the day, so it should be possible to have the runway available for extension from say 2100 to about 0700 every morning; landing flights could still use the shorter runway, subject to wind conditions.

Anyway, we could be discussing this for a month of Sundays and nothing's likely to come of it, so we might as well move on and discuss what else can't be done!

I'd like to know what's the story with the EI 330 at IAD; what exactly happened and why is it there for so long (and which one is it). Apparently, North American operated a 763 for EI on that route to cover for the sick 330.


User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12518 posts, RR: 35
Reply 8, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 6844 times:



Quoting DavecFlyer (Reply 6):
I had not heard about this. Do you have the details?

I just happened to see a reference to this on another aviation site (which I'm not allowed to name!) ... not quite sure what the increase is, but they operate the route already, so probably a second daily service. I'll try and find out more and revert.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27110 posts, RR: 60
Reply 9, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 6830 times:



Quoting Shamrock350 (Reply 2):
That's no surprise, one is a full service/high fare airline

Sorry have to disagree with you there !!! LX is a high service Low fares airline. Y class fares from DUB-ATH and many other European cities can be got for EUR 56 plus taxes . You get good service and comfortable A/C. You also get free food and drink. At one stage they scrapped free food in Y class but brought it back. Why cant the LX model work in EI??

Overhead drop down screens on all A320's where they show short movies and even small Ad's for special fares and new routes etc... Why cant EI do this ??? On a DUB-ATH / LPA of a flight time of over 4 hours it would be good to have. Swiss show Tom and Jerry and a funny Canadian wind up shows that do not need sound so no problems with headphones or the expense of changing the seats. They do all this whilst making a profit and exceeding passengers expectations.


User currently offlineDavecFlyer From Ireland, joined Dec 2007, 369 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 6824 times:



Quoting Kaitak (Reply 8):
I just happened to see a reference to this on another aviation site (which I'm not allowed to name!) ... not quite sure what the increase is, but they operate the route already, so probably a second daily service. I'll try and find out more and revert.

They already operate 6 days a week (except Saturday) as it is so it might just be a full daily service. A few years ago this route was twice daily operated by Skyways ERJ145's under SK flight numbers AFAIK.

Anyway, its always good to hear of increases.



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User currently offlineShamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6346 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 6806 times:



Quoting OA260 (Reply 9):

Sorry have to disagree with you there !!! LX is a high service Low fares airline. Y class fares from DUB-ATH and many other European cities can be got for EUR 56 plus taxes .

Fair enough that's a great fare. What's the average fare on LX?

Quoting OA260 (Reply 9):
Overhead drop down screens on all A320's where they show short movies and even small Ad's for special fares and new routes etc... Why cant EI do this ???

It would cost money and add weight to the aircraft that really isn't needed. Aer Lingus is a low cost airline keeping fares low by keeping frills minimal. I wouldn't like to be working for EI while all the cost cuts are going through to find they are adding fancy screens showing a map and a few shows but claiming they must save €20 million this year.


User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17079 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 6806 times:



Quoting Kaitak (Thread starter):
today that SAS is due to increase its services on ARN-DUB, so hopefully other carriers will follow suit

Come on EI, we are waiting on you here at ARN!!!



Work Hard, Fly Right
User currently offlineF1eddie From Ireland, joined May 2007, 461 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 6776 times:

http://www.johnholland.com.au/Docume...Melbourne+widening+works+completed

Why cant we build like this. Melbourne airport widened its runway by 7.5meters on each side to accommodate the A380 and they got it completed in 29days without closing the runway. So where theres a heart, theres a way.

In regards to DUB being a hub. It sort of already does this. On my delta flight there was a couple behind me and they were using DUB as a hub. Dont know where they were going though or who with. Has this not been said before as well with ppl on EI connecting onto other destinations with EI. Oh yeah i also saw those signs for the connecting passengers.
In regards to EI not being as good as european carriers i may have to agree with this. But compared to American carriers we could beat them hands down if they upgraded the Transatlantic A/C. Deltas planes which flew us over and back were not that great. The staff we nice, bar two, but they were in there 40s and plus so no young staff (no vibrant feel off them). Then the domestic part of the flight the only thing we got more than EI was a free drink and some peanuts. Oh and a TV screen above us which i think is not really necessary on flights sub three hours. In regards to the TV screens though it was a 767 which must be used on busy timings and routes so im not sure if this is a constant thing throughout deltas network. Had a quick look in on the domestic business class and i have to say i was not that impressed with it. It was 2.2.2 so seats must have been wider but they did not look it ( I wonder is it like cars where the bigger the car, the bigger the seats and less internal room). They did have slightly more leg room, PTVS and free bar.
EIs european network A/C are perfect and new, so just improve the Transatlantic A/C and i think they could work as a good airline to connect PPL through DUB. Also who is to say ten years down the road, EI may be much bigger and willing to rejoin oneworld or something similar. I also think the DAA will do a good job on the airport and i think we will have a good facility soon enough.

Sure who said thirty years ago Ireland would be thriving like we are now, so lets keep the glass half full in regards to the airport and EI....



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27110 posts, RR: 60
Reply 14, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 6751 times:



Quoting Shamrock350 (Reply 11):
What's the average fare on LX?

Well those fares seem to be available alot of the time all year round. And those Business class specials in Dec/Jan are excellent way of generating extra revenue when yields are low.


User currently offlineShamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6346 posts, RR: 14
Reply 15, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 6752 times:

Quoting F1eddie (Reply 13):

Sure who said thirty years ago Ireland would be thriving like we are now, so lets keep the glass half full in regards to the airport and EI....

Couldn't agree more!

Quoting F1eddie (Reply 13):
Also who is to say ten years down the road, EI may be much bigger and willing to rejoin oneworld or something similar.

Hopefully RE and B6 will be just the start of many more partnerships Aer Lingus will form of the next few years. So who knows, maybe they will start their own alliance group

Quoting OA260 (Reply 14):

Well those fares seem to be available alot of the time all year round. And those Business class specials in Dec/Jan are excellent way of generating extra revenue when yields are low.

Oh right sounds like they offer some good fares and great service to go with it.

[Edited 2008-01-08 12:58:59]

User currently offlineSmokeyrosco From Ireland, joined Dec 2005, 2112 posts, RR: 13
Reply 16, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 6734 times:



Quoting Shamrock350 (Reply 15):
Hopefully RE and B6 will be just the start of many more partnerships Aer Lingus will form of the next few years.

I think that deal is going to be very successful, and replicated all around the world. Can you imagine landing in JFK on a B6 flight and hearing

"Welcome to New York's John F Kennedy airport, please remain seated until we have arrived at the gate and the captain has switched off the fasten seat belt sign. Cell phones are now permitted for use. From JetBlue and all the crew on this flight we thank you for flying JetBlue we look forward to seeing you all soon also remember you can now book flights direct to Ireland and Europe with Aer Lingus through the JetBlue's website from over 40 destinations in the US".



John Hancock
User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27110 posts, RR: 60
Reply 17, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 6730 times:

BTW just some feedback from a Ex: colleague of mine at OA who flew LHR-DUB-JFK a few weeks back. They said that the new A320 with leather seats was really nice. They hoped for DUO or DUZ for the onward flight but didn't get it and said the aircraft was showing its age . The crew on all flights were very good and the transit experience ......wait for it ..... was great LOL.... Also said that the Irish people around the airport at the shops and duty free etc.... were very friendly and helpful and that I was lucky to live in Ireland !!! LOL.... so there you go .... some good feedback. Shame about the old A330's but in a few years that will all be over thank god. The food was just ok on the DUB-JFK flights but the food from JFK-DUB was quite good. Must be good catering in JFK !!! They said that on the return they were thinking of asking me to meet them for coffee in Dublin airport but thought it would be too early at 6am !! Damn right guys LOL.....

User currently offlineBramble From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 6716 times:

Just operated DUB-JFK in last week and there were at least 14 pax transiting onwards with Jetblue. While they had not been able to book on one ticket I think it shows that the two business models suit a link up. Its not a lot but it is a start considering that JetBlue would not have a big PR footprint here.

User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27110 posts, RR: 60
Reply 19, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 6701 times:



Quoting Bramble (Reply 18):
While they had not been able to book on one ticket I think it shows that the two business models suit a link up

I think the whole Jetblue thing is being over hyped to be honest . EI currently have link ups with UA and AA and have done for years. If you call up EI or go to an agent they can sell you cheap through tickets to any point in the USA and Canada. Jet Blue will be a good addition but its not going to be the best thing since sliced bread. What about thru check and thru boarding pass issuing??? This is something that EI currently does for DUB-JFK-DEN and all other USA routes with a through EI/UA ticket for example. I await the updated thru booking on the EI website but I have my doubts. Its just another airline partner like they have with AA UA etc.... The funny thing is though is that when passengers do do EI/B6 they will fly on an A330 with no PTV's then get on an A320 with the full works !!!


User currently offlineSmokeyrosco From Ireland, joined Dec 2005, 2112 posts, RR: 13
Reply 20, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 6684 times:



Quoting OA260 (Reply 19):
I think the whole Jetblue thing is being over hyped to be honest

I don't think so, with the amount of bookings that are done online these days I think it's a great idea and I think it will work. How many travel agents have you seen in the US? What percentage of EI's bookings are done through the website?

Quoting OA260 (Reply 19):
What about thru check and thru boarding pass issuing??? This is something that EI currently does for DUB-JFK-DEN and all other USA routes with a through EI/UA ticket for example.

Ok but these are not on the website and that is the way forward I believe. Ireland still hasn't fully realised the use of the internet although we are getting there soon. Thats coming with someone with a background in IT.

Quoting OA260 (Reply 19):
The funny thing is though is that when passengers do do EI/B6 they will fly on an A330 with no PTV's then get on an A320 with the full works !!!

I know I thought that too, moving from B6 to EI will be a let down, maybe B6 can put pressure on EI to improve some of the cabins. I have to concede one thing to you though OA260, I think you may be right about having to enter the credit card information twice.



John Hancock
User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27110 posts, RR: 60
Reply 21, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 6661 times:



Quoting Smokeyrosco (Reply 20):
What percentage of EI's bookings are done through the website?

What % of travel agents and tour operators book their clients on EI.com??? Quite a bit judging by the latest figures and actions !!

Ok ok I was saving this for a situation just like now LOL.......and here goes !!!

Why has Aer Lingus just signed an agreement with Travelport ( Galileo ) to offer ALL their USA internet fares back to the Tour Operators and Travel agents ??? I kid you not guys !!! All cheapo W class fares now bookable at a Tour Operator or Travel Agent near you  Big grin However you will still pay a small booking fee but if you dont have a credit card then I guess its worth it. Sure you pay it to ticketmaster and such like so you takes your choice !!!

The reality is that Aer Lingus are growing at such a rate that they have looked at their figures and seen that the Tour Operators and Travel Agents are still a significant chunk of their business. They still need the help of the trade to fill those seats !! BTW did I tell you American Holidays have just signed an agreement with EI for a package holiday brochure to MCO !!! Also Royal Caribbean cruise lines have signed a deal for Nett ...yes Nett fares to connect to their cruise ships in BCN for Summer 2008 .....wait wait it gets better , EI are considering releasing back their European fares into Tour Operator and Travel Agents computer systems !! Hmmm full circle me thinks  scratchchin 


A very good friend of mine who works as a agent in Belfast has said that EI has also approached the trade to sell their new BFS fares through agents in Belfast !!! The travel trade in NI is still very influential and EI needs all the help it can get with its new base.

I posted an article a few threads back when EI offered Nett fares to the trade on its IAD route!!! Thats was only the start by the looks of things. The internet will only go so far in this country the rest will come from tour operators and agents that know how to offer a good service and product .


User currently offlineSmokeyrosco From Ireland, joined Dec 2005, 2112 posts, RR: 13
Reply 22, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 6652 times:

ok so most travel agents now book through the EI website? I didn't know that.


John Hancock
User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27110 posts, RR: 60
Reply 23, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 6634 times:



Quoting Smokeyrosco (Reply 22):
ok so most travel agents now book through the EI website? I didn't know that.

Well from the figures I saw and EI acknowledged its around the 25-30% mark !! Not huge but not to be sniffed at. If their sales fell 30% I'm sure alarm bells would sound. When EI went to the Dot com club they cut alot of bridges and then the loyalty that they once enjoyed went to DL AA CO US for USA and BD BA LH AF SK LX etc... for Europe. I think actually its a good thing as EI had the monopoly with its top 50 agents program . Now the other airlines have been able to strike up relationships and get their share also.

EI want to mend bridges with Tour Operators and the trade in general but they also want a different relationship than the 9% commission they once paid. Now they like most others pay 0% commission but they must realise they have to fight for business from the trade like their rivals . They wont get any special preference this time round. There is no difference between FR and EI when it comes to the trade selling a ticket these days. I had a really good conversation with two counter staff travel agents when I was on the BFS inaugural and I asked them their feelings . They said they dont have any preference in what airline they sell. They just want to offer the best fare and best product for their clients needs.

You used to walk into a travel agent and all they shoved at you was Aer Lingus. Now you get more choice. Thats one reason I'm glad they scrapped the top 50 and commission. It made the agents look else where and realise there were other and often better products.

EI think that because they are in Ireland they will be supported ....those days are gone now . DUB-FRA EI or LH doesnt matter to an agent these days !!!

Many agents have evolved and met the challenge with their own websites and technology for online bookings . One company in Dublin set up a fantastic tool which searches all LCC's and set up accounts for agents which enabled them to book quickly and cost effective ways to offer their clients dot.com bookings without having to enter CC details. This company in Dublin just bills them at the end of every month for all the bookings they did!!! You should see the EI figures from that company !!!


User currently offlineSawtooth From Ireland, joined Jan 2007, 614 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 6615 times:

Had a look at the UK CAA stats for November to see how the regional routes are competing in the west given last years RE/FR expansion and plans for RE jets in 08. It's just a quick estimation based on published information so don't flame me if I've missed something. Surprised by RE figures, yields can't be great given FR can afford to undercut and sit on poor performing routes, wouldn't be surprised to see a few more FR routes from SNN & NOC given all the new aircraft needing homes. 2008 is looking like an important year for RE.

SNN – BRS FR- B738 6 71%
SNN – EMA FR- B738 7 52%
SNN – EDI FR- B738 4 60%
SNN – LBA FR- B738 3 33%
SNN – MAN FR- B738 4 67%
SNN – BHX FR- B738 6 50%

GWY – NCL RE- ATR72 3 74%
GWY – EDI RE- ATR72 5 70%
GWY – LTN RE- ATR72 18 68%
GWY – MAN RE- ATR72 11 55%
GWY – BRS RE- ATR72 4 19% route closed
GWY – LBA RE- ATR72 4 38% route closed
GWY – SOU BE- D8-400 4 31% not sure if restricted pax

NOC – STN FR- B738 7 90%
NOC – LTN FR- B738 7 82%
NOC – EMA FR- B738 4 54%
NOC – BRS FR- B738 4 41%
NOC – BHX WW- B735 6 83%
NOC – MAN WW- B735 7 79%
NOC – GLA WW- B735 3 NA
NOC – LGW XL- B738 6 NA

SLG – MAN RE- ATR72 4 39%
CFN – PIK RE- ATR42 3 50%


25 EI2KSEA : Just arrived back to BOS on Sunday on the new A332 (DUO?). I originally booked DUB-BOS nstead of SNN-BOS in the hope we might get it and despite the o
26 Post contains images BrianDromey : But the problem is that any extension will run into the same planning delays. Is the market really there for another asian hub? Yes EY are doing well
27 Post contains images EI564 : I always thought they would start building the runway in 2010, when T2 is finished. Otherwise it would be very complicated to have 2 large projects b
28 EireRock : Correct, it landed here in DUB on Sunday night and had just arrived from IAD.
29 Tonymctigue : I believe runway extensions at GWY have been discussed recently. I read before that they will be aiming to have a runway capable of handling B737/A32
30 OA260 : I can find them just shame I cant sell you them but I could get one of the girls in our retail office to . I have to say they are a great bunch that
31 Danny : Some news from ATI: "Irish-based aircraft lessor AWAS has ordered 75 Airbus A320s, complementing an order for up to 50 Boeing 737s placed last year."
32 EireRock : Wow, but i do imagine that the lease market for A320's is very good at the moment.
33 Kaitak : FR will only operate into runways of 6,000' and above, so if they keep it at (say) 5,500', that should be sufficient for RE's needs and (if this is t
34 Post contains links OA260 : Flight hit by lightning as storms batter country A British Midlands BMI flight, carrying 91 passengers from London to Dublin, was forced to divert to
35 Pilot21 : According to another thread, EI-DUO is stuck in IAD after damaging it's nose gear while taxing onto stand on Sunday. The nose gear somehow went behin
36 BrianDromey : Just a tiny correction here, WW have withdrawn all of their 735s by now, AFAIK. Thank God, because they were pretty tired aircraft! oh, dear! But thi
37 Pilot21 : ATDB says they still have 4 in service: G-BVZI G-BVZE G-BVKD G-BVKB Pilot21
38 BrianDromey : I stand corrected! I know there were plans to retire them all and the 735s are usually used on ORK-MAN, but my last few flights had all been 733, so
39 JWMD123 : News on SNN's figures Also for anybody interested Somewhere for FR to base one of those 737's coming to them Their share price has took a real hammeri
40 BrianDromey : I would have thought it was over valued, in all probability, mainly due to the way the airline pulled though 9/11, and its great deal with Boeing on
41 EI2KSEA : I had thought that I was on DUO on Sunday to BOS - I wasnt able to check the reg from the outside because of the crappy view from the DUB US immigrat
42 Pilot21 : My turn to stand corrected (I was taking the info direct from another thread) DUO did indeed operate the 137 on Sunday. EI-LAX did the IAD flight on
43 EireRock : Sorry for the confusion but i meant that the North American 767 landed in DUB on Sunday night, not DUO.
44 EireRock : Yes the BD131 was diverted to SNN and then did a ferry flight back to LHR, pax were bussed to Dublin.
45 Shamrock350 : You're right, it looks like EI-DUO has been going to BOS quite a bit recently and for the past two days it's been operating to JFK so it must have be
46 Tonymctigue : Sure isn't this one of the main reasons why the A330's cannot be used to operate TA services out of ORK. You would think though that a known fault li
47 Post contains links Tonymctigue : Official press release regarding 2007 traffic at SNN. http://www.shannonairport.com/compan...trafficperformanceshannon2007.html
48 EIDAA : It is indeed. That is a nice order for AWAS/Terra Firma/Pegasus - adding to that 737 order, which I think was for 31/19. The only downside for them i
49 EI321 : Looks like Birmingham is extending its runway. Does anybody think Beijing would be a good next l/h route for EI? Its about the same distance as LAX so
50 Smokeyrosco : I believe it does, also looks like I'll be passing through SNN in march and thinking about the fact it will probably be the last time I'll have to do
51 Kaitak : Is this the first time ORK has exceeded SNN in pax numbers? If DUB is around the 23.5m mark (as was suggested in a previous post), then it's quite pos
52 B747forever : Yes, it would be brilliant, as Kaitak mentioned!!! But how about CPT???
53 OA260 : Yes last thing you want to do when your wrecked after an all night flight is prolong it by a 50 mins stop in SNN. People on the East Coast want direc
54 Kaitak : Hi 747Forever, they're worried about you over on the non-aviation section ... you'd better have a look there and let them know you're ok! Anyway, the
55 B747forever : LOL!!! I know, many members have worried about me!!! Cant spend so much time at A.net because of the school!!! You have so right!! If EI will expand
56 OA260 : LOL....hope you dont loose 1st position.
57 Post contains images B747forever : LOL!!! Dont worry, will never loose 1st position
58 Post contains links EireRock : Taken from www.rte.ie The world eats Irish food Wednesday, 9 January 2008 17:06 Countries around the world are buying Irish food and drink in a big wa
59 Post contains links and images Irish251 : Actually runway 06/24 at Shannon was declared ready for use on 3 July 1960. Jets could not have operated long-distance safely from Shannon's previous
60 OA260 : Doesnt surprise me . My family buy Irish products. Back before Xmas I went to the supermarket for my Aunt in Athens caus she wanted some Kerry Gold L
61 Tonymctigue : I think by time transit & domestic passengers are included the total traffic at SNN came to 3.62M so technically SNN is still ahead of ORK. Your are
62 EireRock : Makes you wonder then why SIA Cargo pulled the plug on DUB, ok so maybe EY have taken over the Middle East market, they seem to have good cargo loads
63 Tonymctigue : You are correct. The runway was opened to traffic in 1960 but not fully completed until 1966. It is definitely is SNN's best asset as it is still cap
64 EI320 : 3.62m passengers is'nt bad at all, but yet this doesn't come as much of a surprise.Open skies did'nt really affect SNN much last year. It will be thi
65 Post contains links and images Tonymctigue : Just looking through Google Earth this evening & noticed that SNN has been upgraded to a high resolution area
66 EI320 : great , it's very clear now. was on it a few weeks back and could barely make out the terminal, how often are these updated does anyone know?
67 DavecFlyer : AFAIK the routing was (is - if they haven't stopped !!) SIN - SHJ - DUB - CPH - SIN That operated on Wednesday's and Sunday's. I have an old SIA time
68 Shamrock350 : About time! Last time I checked the runway was orange!?
69 Post contains links Tonymctigue : I actually didn't appreciate how many old runways are at SNN - 4 old runways & the current 06/24. I know 13/31 was technically still in use up until
70 Post contains images Danny : New Ryanair advert:
71 Smokeyrosco : haha you have to hand it to them.
72 F1eddie : Kaitak. Just something i taught about SQ serving DUB. Maybe they could just not be bothered serving Dub via another city for the simple fact that we h
73 Ei2ksea : Just an FYI, the Irish Dairy Board do a roaring trade in Dubliner cheese branded as Kerrygold Dubliner as well as some random Cheddar and Swiss chees
74 Tonymctigue : Your right. The competition on Canadian routes is as good as non existent with AC still only operating on a seasonal basis (although I wouldn't be su
75 OA260 : HAHA I actually have to say its the first FR Ad I have actually laughed at.
76 Post contains links Sawtooth : Back in October the airport management said they were looking for a new carrier to maintain the routes and avoid a repeat of the globespan issues las
77 Smokeyrosco : NOC is a great little airport that should never have been built really, There was no economical reason for it at the time.
78 B747forever : LOL!!! FRs ads are always funny!!!
79 Kaitak : I don't think Our Great Leader will like that very much! I remember when it was being built - or proposed; the Taoiseach of the day, Sir Garret the G
80 Tonymctigue : While you are probably correct in that there was no economic reason for it being built we must remember that it was built mainly with privately raise
81 B747forever : That is true!! FR do really "dangerous" ads!!!
82 Toulouse : Is it just me or what but I don't see any advert in Danny's post, yet the rest of you seem to??
83 F1eddie : My mum is from swinford so i was always down there as a young lad. I remember going to see it after a week or two of it opening. I have also been tol
84 F1eddie : Seems to be your comp. I just looked and i can see it.
85 Shamrock350 : I can see it but if want you can see it on the Irish site of Ryanair.com
86 Kaitak : Is there a little dot in the middle of the post - hard to see, because of the blue background? - if so, click it and that should show it to you. I th
87 Post contains links Smokeyrosco : no there's something weird about posting pics on here sometimes, here's a link to Dannys pic. http://www.airliners.net/uf/view.fil...d=536881195&file
88 ThrottleHold : The restriction in Cork for the A330's was due to torsional forces on the main landing gear struts during tight turns on the runway. As far as I know
89 Smokeyrosco : Maybe its a case of the Devil you know.
90 OA260 : I expect the next 4 long haul routes to be to the USA/Canada. But im open to be proved wrong.
91 Smokeyrosco : DFW! DFW! DFW! DFW! DFW! DFW! DFW!
92 OA260 : DFW / YYZ / YVR / LAS
93 Smokeyrosco : I bet LAS is one of the B6 destinations. It will be interesting to see how that goes.
94 Toulouse : Thanks guys for all the help... Yes Kaitak, I adjusted my glasses and found the little dot, then had some fun trying to get the cursor over it. Saw t
95 Post contains images Rineanna : Could someone help me if they can....my friend is going to Accra via LHR with EI and BA. She's taking her laptop which is in a separate carrier case t
96 Kaitak : BA currently flies 763s to ACC; they're actually quite a nice aircraft to fly with BA. Re the laptop, since the rules have now changed, that SHOULD b
97 Tonymctigue : I couldn't see the ad either only a very small dot.
98 Post contains links OA260 : Should be fine !!! http://www.britishairways.com/travel...lightops/public/en_gb?p_faqid=3108 British Airways customers can carry the following as han
99 Post contains images Rineanna : Thanks for that. Don't worry; I'll be badgering her for the details of the flight as soon as I can. I'm raging that she gets to fly a 767 before I do
100 Bramble : I didn't know we vould ticket iwth UA, I thought that was only AA due the codeshare. And I do agree, another tie in will not be a panacea for all our
101 Kaitak : Just had a quick look in PPRUNE and there was an interesting quote in the air cargo section, "freight dogs": "It will remain very difficult for DUB to
102 OA260 : Yes they have UA and AA but just dont have a codeshare with UA. B6 will be positive for EI but it wont take that much business from the current UA AA
103 EI2KSEA : This had been my experience on previous red eyes with EI but the crew member was just plain rude on the matter. A gentleman in front mentioned to her
104 OA260 : Yes a nice Rose faded light with stars on the ceiling LOL.....I guess it would be Green seeing as its EI !!!
105 Post contains images EI2KSEA : My thoughts exactly although I'm not so sure about its effects on those with travel or motion sickness!
106 Shamrock350 : Green is actually a very natural colour and when used correctly it's very calming and most airports use these type colours. All the photos of the Are
107 Sawtooth : AMS, BOD, FAO, AGP now in Aer Arann booking system for Waterford & Galway, the deal with NEX Aviation must be ready to roll.
108 Tonymctigue : Just from memory I think that on the overnight flights from the US, EI usually dim the lights about half way as do CO & AA. I can see though where it
109 Humberside : ORK-Brest is another new RE route (and CWL-Nantes also returns)[Edited 2008-01-10 14:19:57]
110 BrianDromey : The EK 77W's have mood lighting. I found myself a lot less fatigued on the 77W flights. When then cabin lights dimmed they did so over about twenty m
111 Sawtooth : AMS, BOD, FAO, AGP now in Aer Arann booking system for Waterford & Galway, the deal with NEX Aviation must be ready to roll. Galway flights are via Wa
112 EISHN : LAX-DUB during the Summer on DUO, lights turned off fully. The only way to guide yourself along the aisle was from the glow coming off the PTV's. Lig
113 Smokeyrosco : Yeah generally coming from the East coast I got my 'mea' an hour to an hour and a half after take off and then the lights where out after the clean u
114 BestWestern : In the UK, laptops dont have to be removed from bags anymore since this Monday.
115 Post contains links Eirbus06 : See video clip below. If the shamrock had just a little more fuel,god knows what would have happened.Never heard about this? NTSB
116 Post contains links Rineanna : Just noticed that DUB-CWL is loaded onto the EI booking engine; have I missed something or is this the link up with RE coming into play? Ya, it was a
117 EI321 : Im not very enthusiastic about this setup. Particularly the BOD route.
118 Post contains links Kaitak : Indo report on SIA pullout: http://www.independent.ie/business/e...o-pullout-hits-dublin-1262699.html Statement at pains to point out that it was due
119 Post contains links Kaitak : IT reports that billionaire property developer Liam Carroll has spend about €35m on a small (3.2%) shareholding in Aer Lingus - although reading the
120 JWMD123 : only operating on the 7 March and the 9 March. It is for the Six Nations rugby game Ireland v Wales in Croke Park. Aircraft operating as an A330.
121 EireRock : It seems that the DAA are happy to let SNN take the cargo routes and instead concentrate on the EI's and FR's. I must say it is dissapointing to see
122 Post contains links and images OA260 : http://www.independent.ie/business/i...arks-start-of-new-era-1262735.html Aer Arann's jet launch marks start of new era By Laura Noonan Friday January
123 BrianDromey : Go neiri an bothar leo! Brian.
124 Smokeyrosco : Also taken from the above article
125 Smokeyrosco : Hey OA260, Quick question, given that you can through ticket from EI to UA, if you call UA will they sell you an EI flight?
126 OA260 : Not too sure but the fares are in their computers !! Take this routing for instance ::: EI 125 W 10FEB DUBORD HS1 1330 1550 UA 253 T 10FEB ORDDEN HS1
127 Rineanna : Oh yes, forgot about the six nations. Thanks. Talking about great fares, I was just putting in dates at random into the EI booking machine (easy to k
128 Post contains links Provance : Aer Arann have posted a new route map http://www.aerarann.com/travel_information/destinations.htm I think its looks bloody awful !!!!
129 Bramble : If only I was allowed to carry a few of those 'mandle candles' with me on flights,just for hte A.Netters1 The map is too faint, the city tags are too
130 JWMD123 : I did not realise that 40% of FR business is UK. Given the rise in the Euro, could we see FR maybe cut back on UK based routes and maybe try more Eur
131 Post contains links EIBoston : Not a tale. It happened in 2005. Almost a disaster.Here is a link to it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aer_Lingus_Flight_132
132 Al2637 : FR have lost their appeal against T2. High Court ruled at lunchtime today.
133 Shamrock350 : It's great to see RE expanding, I hope that one day they get their own jets but this is great way to try it out first. The Aer Lingus deal is going to
134 Clydenairways : Is NEX Aviation going to operate thier own aircraft on behalf of Aer Arann or will these be Operated by Atlantic Airways from the Faroe Islands again
135 Sawtooth : I think Atlantic Airways operated last years flights as NEX didn't have the necessary AOC license, I presume they do now. No timetable up but it looks
136 Neutral : Quote reply132 FR have lost their appeal against T2. High Court ruled at lunchtime today. I think Mol knew from the start their appeal would fail why
137 Tonymctigue : Great to see RE expanding their services & introducing jets. I wish them every success.
138 OA260 : Yes some great fares at the moment for JFK. ----------------------------- They need to change that FR .....errr I mean RE route map !!! You get my dr
139 Post contains links Tonymctigue : Just spotted this in the RTE website. Superjumbo grounded in Singapore http://www.rte.ie/news/2008/0111/airbus.html
140 Post contains links OA260 : SIA 9V-SKA A380 Issue At Push Back (by Knoxibus Jan 10 2008 in Civil Aviation) " target=_blank>http://www.rte.ie/news/2008/0111/air....html
141 COEI2007 : The RE route map looks awful, kinda confusing on they eyes, although that could be just me from doing earlies!!! lol EI are introducing new meal choic
142 B747forever : That is brilliant !!! Hope they will have this as standard.
143 Post contains links EI320 : link for T2 appeal: http://www.rte.ie/business/2008/0111/daa.html This appeal was never going to succeed. I can't help but think that FR are doing thi
144 JWMD123 : Excellent news. About time they brought a bit more choice on the L/H flights. If they show as much innovation as they have done on shorthaul (mixture
145 Shamrock350 : Great news, it's a small change but I hope and expect more to follow and to continue enhancing the Aer Lingus product.
146 Rineanna : I was just looking at the timetables, and it certainly looks possible for the CWL route on certain days. The earliest that the CWL flight arrives in
147 Kaitak : I always find this quite odd; they penny pinch in the pettiest ways - stopping their employees recharging mobile phones, for example - but then they
148 BrianDromey : It does seem a paradox, doesn't it? FR probably have their own, in-house legal people, for all sorts of reasons. EIDAA would probably be better able
149 Post contains images EISHN : Got an e-mail from EI today, suggesting that I pay for my checked luggage for my upcoming flights. The give reasons why it's good to pay for your lugg
150 B747forever : Yeah, LOL!!! Do they usually send e-mails to ALL pax??
151 Shamrock350 : I get them but that's because I subscribed to emails from aerlingus.com and I get an email once a month with information on fares, sales and new serv
152 B747forever : Okey, I see. So noting standard!!!
153 OA260 : Have a good time on your last and in augural flights !!! I'm here at DUB after having spent ages at check in with yet another Sky Handling mess up!!
154 B747forever : So where are you heading?? Really bad by the Sky Handling, again!!!
155 BrianDromey : I agree, they are a mess. Such a difference to the ground operations at EI, who know what they are doing. Even FR at DUB are probably better than Sky
156 Thediplomat : Have Ryanair announced that they have stopped flying Dublin Shannon? The flights are no longer on sale post Feb 3rd.
157 EISHN : It's just a reminder that you can pay for your bags online, and save 3 euro. So all pax on Short Haul flights get them. Thanks! This is unacceptable.
158 EISHN : EI-DVG and DVH have been added to the EI fleet page. DVH is named Saint Ciara.
159 Post contains links BestWestern : The Shannon Airport Authority said there are no plans for any official ceremony to mark the last Aer Lingus flight to the London hub. "It's the end of
160 Post contains links Kaitak : More moves by this chap, Callaghan, on EI stock; significant stock movements over the past few days which - if (as is believed) all relate to him, mak
161 Post contains links and images Rineanna : Just looking at the FR route-map, and with their recent announcement of Carcassonne as the first continental European route from ORK, I wonder will th
162 B747forever : So they do send them to all pax that fly with them in short haul!!! That is really nice, but still not good that they take that fee!!!
163 BrianDromey : Its hard to call at the moment. Another based FR aircraft would probably take over some of the current schedule operated from other bases. Also I wou
164 Shamrock350 : I think there could be more FR expansion at Cork but I dont think it will be on a large scale. I agree with Brian that Cork should be looking for airl
165 Toulouse : LX, no doubt about it. Having lived for years in Spain, IMO IB are fine on short-haul, yet while I've little l/h experience with them in recent years
166 EI320 : Have a good last LHR flight tomorrow EISHN, although it will be a sad day for Shannon unfortunately. it will be interesting to know what the cabin cre
167 Bramble : i doubt that. The BFS-LHR aircarft should be in place tomorrow afternoon. The crew of the EI383 will be on normal duty so will probably overnight in
168 Post contains images Rineanna : True. I hope it stays but I can't help thinking they'd get a better yield by using the a/c on some other route. I was contemplating going up to DUB t
169 OA260 : Athens LOL...where else !!! Im here in the lounge in Athens after being in the city with some mates for a few hours, i wrecked. Yes they did but they
170 Post contains links Kaitak : No doubt there'll be a little "schedenfreude" in the Shannon region about this news: apparently EI has only sold a little over a third of its BFS-LHR
171 B747forever : LOL!! You do travel really much!!! This isnt good. Hope it wont continue like this!!!
172 BestWestern : Heathrow is such a last minute purchase route (high business), so they will probably end up with a 50% load factor on the route in January. That isnt
173 Dstc47 : Plenty of anticipatory coverage of the final SNN / LHR on RTE this morning and so far a slow news day, so probably much more this evening. Brendan O'C
174 Post contains links BestWestern : Just what we need - more jokers in government. http://www.tribune.ie/article.tvt?_s...ibune/Business&SUBCATNAME=Business AER LINGUS'S headquarters at
175 BrianDromey : This is what I am thinking as well. Cheers! hmmmmm...... [rolls eyes in disbelief/exasperation] haha! Poor old FR. How I wish the boot was on the oth
176 Neutral : I agree the DAA must be sick of Ryanair's constant legal action also the Irish regulator/AerLingus have also had their fair share of Ryanair legal cas
177 OA260 : I think Aer Lingus should cut the fares on the DUB-SNN route if FR goes off it. The fares are crazy expensive. The A/C has to go DUB-SNN-USA anyway so
178 BFSBHD : Seems to be that the 320 operating SNN-LHR is moving up to BFS. EIN092 out of SNN at 2200. Anybody know which 320 is based at SNN at the moment?
179 Rineanna : I agree 100%. I wonder what's the longest period of time there's been without FR being in the courts for one thing or another; 24 hours? That may be
180 Bramble : Well I was wrong. The EI383 will be operated by DVH today then it will fly up to BFS as EI092 to operate the 2 BFS-LHR flights tomorrow. No wonder I
181 Smokeyrosco : I'd imagine they are trying to get a premium from people from using this route for two reasons, 1. that when they stop flying it and people around th
182 BestWestern : Yes, And on the way back to the US (Detroit) to catch the NW back to London the stupid immigration didnt want to let us back into the country as we o
183 Post contains links BestWestern : Ryanair are recruiting for a "Sales & Marketing Executive – Uk & Ireland" if anyone is interested... http://www.ryanair.com/site/EN/about...careers&
184 Smokeyrosco : Cool, cheers for that.
185 EISHN : Well everyone, I'm sitting here in the lounge at SNN, waiting for the flight, with about under an hour to go. The terminal is fairly quiet, but there'
186 Kaitak : Whatever way this works out, I hope that building is demolished, because it's the worst of '60s architecture, completely colourless and now, an ugly
187 BestWestern : Did you ask him why he is dropping SNN DUB? Probably for the same reasons why EI are dropping SNN LHR - better yields elsewhere.. Politicians like no
188 BestWestern : Oh, dont forget that anywhere west of the Shannon (and east of Lahinch) will collapse into the sea at about 7pm this evening, never to be seen again.
189 BestWestern : The last EI flight has departed Shannon to Heathrow eight minutes late at 17:33 with 126 passengers on board.
190 B747forever : That is great!!! Did you say anything especially to him??? Sad day for all at SNN!!!
191 Sawtooth : Yes, must be one of the oldest EI routes? But CDG with CityJet, and to some degree AMS with RE from Galway will give people in the mid-west more conn
192 Post contains links Shamrock350 : Just noticed on the Dublin airport website you can now watch the TV adverts that were recently being shown. http://www.dublinairportauthority.co...t_D
193 Bramble : It was always hard to get out of SNN on time!!!!!!!
194 BestWestern : Yes, its a sad day, but in someways, its the start of something new - SNN has twice daily connections to the best hub east in Europe (CDG), alongside
195 OA260 : Sad day for SNN indeed but a bright new future for EI up here in the North (hopefully) . The loads so far BFS-LHR are what one would expect for a laun
196 Kaitak : Last flight, EI 383, showing on Aertel as ETA (SNN) at 21.20. Guess they'll just turn it around and leave at 22.00 or as near as possible. STD from LH
197 EI320 : Just back from SNN myself after watching the last LHR flight depart. it departed at 17:36. there was a fairly gloomy atmosphere around the terminal, b
198 Rineanna : One of the JFK flights was cancelled today. That may have been due to operate that.
199 Post contains links Shamrock350 : Just found this photo on Flickr: http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=2189736570&size=l There are two patches on the winglet, anyone know what it i
200 OA260 : Its hard to tell. The thing that may keep both routes going is that BMI being out of BHD which is actually handier for Belfast city and the whole Ard
201 B747forever : Didnt know that. That is excellent!! So then why sooooooo sad over the LHR connection.???
202 Post contains links EI320 : http://www.independent.ie/business/i...sh/ryanair-slows-down-1265000.html Ryanair slows down Sunday January 13 2008 THE New Year has brought continued
203 B747forever : Wow, 17percent in just 13days!!! That isnt good for FR!!!
204 BestWestern : Meanwhile, Michael O'Leary stands around shannon like a fool, distracted by frivolous no-win, expensive court cases, and last EI flights to Heathrow
205 Kaitak : EI 383 arrived SNN at 2114. So ends over 50 years of service on the SNN-LHR route. Needless to say, not a word at a political level. Next question: ho
206 Smokeyrosco : Kinda agree and kinda don't, if thats the case then should SNN - LHR and SNN - DUB be PSO's? I think it's more important for EI to be successful righ
207 OA260 : If that happens then SNN would become a regional airport like LDY or CFN !! I do hope that its wrong. With the down turn trend in the USA and a suspe
208 BrianDromey : Interesting points. The economy goes through peaks and valleys, as we all know. What is important is keeping an eye on things so that when a dark day
209 Post contains images Eirbus06 : Below is the last arrival of the LHR service to Shannon in daylight.Went to shannon today just to capture it and it turned out to be none other than E
210 Post contains links Kaitak : Today, the DAA will find out if it can add an 80,000 sq ft extension to T1 at DUB; planning approval was given by Fingal CC, but appealed to An Bord P
211 Tonymctigue : I've heard no announcement regarding SNN-DUB being dropped & it has been advertised quite a bit in the Irish Times. Pity if it gets dropped though on
212 Post contains links JWMD123 : Official from FR that they are stopping SNN-DUB starting up SNN-PMI http://www.ryanair.com/site/EN/news....r=08&month=jan&story=rte-en-130108
213 OA260 : Well its the politicians in Greece that bled it dry not the people. If your offered a job by the government then you take it. When you work for OA yo
214 Post contains links OA260 : Check out the photo !!! Couldnt EI sue for him abusing its SSK's .....LOL..... http://www.independent.ie/national-n...aer-lingus-checks-out-1265528.ht
215 Post contains links Sawtooth : Ireland West Airport have posted lower figures for 2007 due to the loss of 2 Gatwick routes, but expect to carry 700,000 passengers this year. Also 20
216 OA260 : That will help. The life of an airport lies heavily on public transport connections. One reason I choose DUB over BFS . Its such a pain to get from N
217 Post contains links Shamrock350 : Fighting talk from Mr. Mannion in Belfast! http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/breaking/2008/0114/breaking41.htm
218 Tonymctigue : That is a real shame. Thet never really gave the servie a chance. I doubt any SNN-DUB service will ever survive until it is codeshared with EI at DUB
219 BrianDromey : If I were the commercial department at EI I dont think I could resist giving FR a dose of their own medicine. On the last day of DUB-SNN I would be a
220 EISHN : Hello from the EI lounge at LHR. Well, it's been an interesting day. There was a bit of a private party here this morning for special guests, not sure
221 Shamrock350 : I'd love to see EI do something like this but they have always ignored any publicity stunts by FR however recently DM seems to like pointing out to M
222 BrianDromey : Id love to have a cut at him. I'd have three questions; 1) Congratulations on your success on the DUB-SNN sector, who got fired for that one? 2) Did
223 BHD : Just drove past BHD and there seems to be some construction work going on on top of the terminal at the front above departures? Anyone know what this
224 Shamrock350 : Good to hear you had a good flight EISHN! Their school won an art competition and the prize was a trip on one of the first Aer Lingus flight's to LHR,
225 EireRock : Well said, its like FR are doing nothing but good for this country when you listen to MO'L. You'd swear butter wouldnt melt in his mouth.
226 Post contains links Sawtooth : Dublin T1 extension has been given the go ahead: http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/breaking/2008/0114/breaking64.htm
227 EIDAA : Does anyone have any information on the old Aer Lingus Commuter operation? What airports were served and when did they cease? I certainly used fly on
228 BrianDromey : Excellent News! With the new check-in areas and Pier D, in 18 months DUB will actually have undergone a massive metamorphosis, and should be a lot mo
229 AC747 : Back in YVR and over the jetlag (sort of). Zoom did themsleves proud out out BFS the other day. It would be great to see them serve DUB (or SNN...or O
230 Bramble : The extension will block the view on the left of the A pier as you walk towards the A and D gates from the shopping/security area.. Shame they are do
231 Post contains links Sawtooth : "Lough Neagh Airport", oh the irony, that O'leary lad is on fire today! http://www.ryanair.com/site/EN/news....r=08&month=jan&story=pro-en-140108[Edit
232 Kaitak : I have some recollection, but not 100% accurate, so anyone who can add more or correct me, please do! The first ALC aircraft was a Shorts 330; now, e
233 Shamrock350 : True and I hope it continues after the hype of the first flight's. More advertising that isn't just noticeable to us aviation enthusiasts is needed o
234 Post contains links OA260 : Cool whats the lounge like now?? It was closed when I was there as it was too early. The RA will know who you are now LOL..... Probably due to the ev
235 Tonymctigue : While it must be hard to resist counter-attacking MOL, anyone will tell you the best way of dealing with bullies is to rise above them by simply igno
236 Post contains links Kaitak : Lansing anyone? http://www.lsj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/art...80114/NEWS03/801140336/1004/news03 A US operator, Kenny Tours, will be operating flights from S
237 Dstc47 : Re schoolkids Saw the very end of a news report on UTV - which showed N.I. primary kids preparing some kind of a design, with just one brief final sho
238 Shamrock350 : I think it's already on the aircraft, very poorly placed under the "A" in Aer Lingus. It looks like it's peeled already! I wish EI would place these s
239 Post contains links OA260 : Heres the link to the Irish news video . EISHN looks like you didnt make the cut , maybe they couldnt afford your fees!! LOL...... http://link.brightc
240 Shamrock350 : You can see the sticker at 00.47 looks like a sun with a big grin!
241 Smokeyrosco : Well if they didn't build it off the ground we'd have no access to one of the baggage halls and wouldn't be able to service belts 6+.
242 Bramble : Heard today that EI will move their Pier C ops to Pier D in about 2 months due Pier C being partially demolished (think its gates C43-46) to make way
243 EIDAA : I'll throw a few quid on it being Ryan International... any takers? I would guess them given the suggestion of a service from Rockford, IL which I be
244 EIDAA : Thanks Kaitak, it looks like it was a significant operation! Must look up more info on it. Cheers!
245 OA260 : Indeed it is . I hope that my DUB-MCO goes from Pier D. Will be able to get some good pics and Ive never departed from there before. Interesting to s
246 Irish251 : For a couple of years there was also a weekly Fokker 50 service DUB-GVA during the skiing season - this must have been the longest route regularly fl
247 Post contains links and images Shamrock350 : It's a shame that after one flight, a large part of the sticker has peeled off, very poor quality. I can imagine DM running up the steps shouting, "G
248 OA260 : Thats a very nice idea and looks good on the 757 with BA livery. Didnt see that photo before. I saw the ''Global Challenge'' DL logo jet yesterday in
249 DavecFlyer : Yes, this was on a Saturday afternoon - EI7660 was the flight number. I remember hearing it one afternoon having to return and I think dump fuel? - I
250 OA260 : I remember doing a day trip BFS-SNN on the A330 and then on a F50 SNN-DUB . It was weird getting off the A330 onto the F50 . Cant say I liked it . Im
251 Shamrock350 : I lasted about two years I think before being repainted to standard colours last summer. I started to prefer the BA livery without the blue for a whi
252 Post contains links Kaitak : Atlas Air cargo acft, ER ATL-SNN, makes emer. landing at SNN: http://www.rte.ie/news/2008/0114/shannon.html Time, I think, to move on to No. 3/08 ...
253 Post contains links Kaitak : The edit feature seems to have disappeared again ... Here's the link to 3/08: Future-focused Flying: Irish Aviation 3/08 (by Kaitak Jan 14 2008 in Civ
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