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Hawaiian Announces New Manila Route Schedule  
User currently offlineHALFA From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1351 posts, RR: 16
Posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 4710 times:

Hawaiian Airlines announced it's route schedule and fares to it's newest destination, Manila in the Philippines today. Flights will operate 4 days per week. HA flight #455 will depart HNL on Sunday, Monday, Wednesday, and Friday at 12:30pm and arrive in Manila the following day at 5:15pm. HA Flight #456 will then depart Manila at 7:00pm on Monday, Tuesday, Thursday, and Saturday and arrive in HNL the same day at 11:15am. There is an 18 hour time change between Honolulu and Manila.
More here:

http://www.bizjournals.com/pacific/s...008/01/07/daily22.html?jst=b_ln_hl

Aloha,
HALFA


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User currently offlineCOSPN From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Oct 2001, 1605 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4613 times:

Thanks HALFA only 4 Day a week ops !!! Wont Interfere as much with CO's HNL-GUM-MNL Daily ops...Guess it will depend on the fares HA will have to charge less than PAL because its not a daily flight...7pm Dept at MNL pax will have to brave the Rush hour traffic to get to NAIA on time..thats why NW Dept time is first thing in the morning and CO is Last flight out at nite..

User currently offlineBicoastal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4589 times:

Get ready for many cardboard boxes filled with whatever and overweight bags. Filipinos bring a lot of things home with them.

User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26354 posts, RR: 76
Reply 3, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4589 times:



Quoting Bicoastal (Reply 2):
Get ready for many cardboard boxes filled with whatever and overweight bags.

= Big profits for HA



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User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 49
Reply 4, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 4522 times:



Quoting Bicoastal (Reply 2):
Get ready for many cardboard boxes filled with whatever and overweight bags. Filipinos bring a lot of things home with them.

They might haul everything with them, though those boxes and bags will be RIGHT on the limit for weight, for that I can bet you.



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User currently offlineGARUDAROD From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 1514 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 4508 times:



Quoting Bicoastal (Reply 2):
Get ready for many cardboard boxes filled with whatever and overweight bags. Filipinos bring a lot of things home with them.

From past first hand experience, those bags WILL include everything, including the kitchen sink!!
I've never loaded heavier bags than when I did the PR flights to MNL.



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User currently offlineJasp25 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 615 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 4500 times:

Yup, more of these!!




-jasp



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User currently offlineAloha73G From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2354 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 4473 times:



Quoting Bicoastal (Reply 2):
Get ready for many cardboard boxes filled with whatever and overweight bags. Filipinos bring a lot of things home with them.

HA flies to PPG....same situation....maybe worse. They will have no problems dealing with it.

-Aloha!



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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5343 posts, RR: 15
Reply 8, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4288 times:

It looks like some of the Mainland-HNL flights will not connect with the MNL departure -- SAN for example. (They seem to be gradually moving the SAN departure later and later; in April, it will be at 10:30, not arriving in HNL 'til 1:30pm!)

I need to check the minimum connect time but lots of the other HNL arrivals look to be close connections, if not illegal. I wonder if times will be adjusted eventually (as much as possible, that is) so nice connections will be possible from most mainland cities to MNL.

The e/b connections from MNL to the Mainland seem to work better.

In any case, good luck with your latest expansion, Hawaiian!

bb


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26354 posts, RR: 76
Reply 9, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4253 times:



Quoting SANFan (Reply 8):
It looks like some of the Mainland-HNL flights will not connect with the MNL departure

The most important connections are LAX and LAS. All 3 LAX flights mis-connect, which means a day's layover in HNL. The LAS 2:30 AM departure does connect.



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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5343 posts, RR: 15
Reply 10, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 4181 times:

With all the talk on various threads here and in the media about how PR is hoping to start flying between SAN/SEA and MNL A.S.A.P., I'm kind of surprised HA isn't trying to make sure that those city pairs get non-overnight connections; as far as SFO, LAX and LAS, which are all already served n/s (or direct) by PR, maybe they're considering those as "lost" markets anyway.

Or perhaps HA is just more worrying about handling the local Hawaii-MNL traffic right now. (Maybe when they start getting some of those new AirBi, we will start hearing about n/s MNL-Mainland US flights?)

bb


User currently offlineCOSPN From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Oct 2001, 1605 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 4105 times:

Yea well HNL-PPG is only 5.5 Hours HNL-MNL is 11 hours Im not sure they can fly that far jamed with overweight boxes.. will have to offload some.. CO limit is 50 Lbs with Fee for 50 to 70 Lbs

User currently offlineHugo From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 394 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3940 times:

The MNL flights do not seem to be scheduled to connect easily with the mainland flights.

User currently offlineHALFA From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1351 posts, RR: 16
Reply 13, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3800 times:

Quoting SANFan (Reply 8):
It looks like some of the Mainland-HNL flights will not connect with the MNL departure -- SAN for example.


Correct. Flights from PDX, SAN, SJC, and PHX will not make legal connections to MNL but see below.


Quoting N1120A (Reply 9):
All 3 LAX flights mis-connect

Not true. HA flight #1 will connect with the new Manila flight.

Quoting SANFan (Reply 10):
I'm kind of surprised HA isn't trying to make sure that those city pairs get non-overnight connections; as far as SFO, LAX and LAS, which are all already served n/s (or direct) by PR, maybe they're considering those as "lost" markets anyway.



Quoting Hugo (Reply 12):
The MNL flights do not seem to be scheduled to connect easily with the mainland flights.

I'm curious. Did any of you try booking the Manila flight on HA's website from U.S. West Coast cities? I did and found that I could book a legal connection from SEA/SFO/SMF/LAX/LAS to MNL, as all of those flights get into HNL early enough to make legal connections to the new flight to Manila. Perhaps you forgot that the time will change on the last weekend in March and Hawaii does not change their clocks, meaning all inbound flights from the West Coast arrive in HNL an hour earlier.
Try it yourself here: www.hawaiianair.com

Aloha,
HALFA

[Edited 2008-01-09 10:31:43]


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User currently offlineFlysherwood From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 1115 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3684 times:



Quoting COSPN (Reply 1):
Thanks HALFA only 4 Day a week ops !!! Wont Interfere as much with CO's HNL-GUM-MNL Daily ops...Guess it will depend on the fares HA will have to charge less than PAL because its not a daily flight

If they get into a pricing war with PAL, that will get ugly quick. PAL's flight crew costs are probably half that of HASad


User currently offlineCOSPN From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Oct 2001, 1605 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 3512 times:

Im not Sure about it if not a Daily flight ... with NW CO PR offering Daily ...HA will either have to go Daily soon after start up or drop the route I really think they messed up on the conects or lack thereof LAS, SAN, SFO, and SEA are big markets for Philippine pax will the flights connect both ways ?? You have to fly where the Pax are HNL will run out of Philippine PAX in a few months...There are about 1 Million Philippine born people in the USA , not Including US born family members !!!!!!!!

User currently offlineBoeing7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 3494 times:



Quoting SANFan (Reply 8):
It looks like some of the Mainland-HNL flights will not connect with the MNL departure -- SAN for example. (They seem to be gradually moving the SAN departure later and later; in April, it will be at 10:30, not arriving in HNL 'til 1:30pm!)

Bad move on the SAN leg. The return works.


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26354 posts, RR: 76
Reply 17, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 3491 times:



Quoting HALFA (Reply 13):

Not true. HA flight #1 will connect with the new Manila flight

Are they re-timing HA1? If not, it gets in a mere 10 minutes before HA455 leaves.



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User currently offlineHALFA From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1351 posts, RR: 16
Reply 18, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3472 times:



Quoting COSPN (Reply 15):
Im not Sure about it if not a Daily flight ... with NW CO PR offering Daily ...HA will either have to go Daily soon after start up or drop the route I really think they messed up on the conects or lack thereof LAS, SAN, SFO, and SEA are big markets for Philippine pax will the flights connect both ways ??

NW, CO, and PR do NOT offer daily nonstop service from HNL to MNL. PR is currently the ONLY airline offering nonstop service to MNL from HNL and this service is only 3 days per week. Why do you think they must go daily? It is not necessary, as our 3 times per week service from HNL to SYD does just fine, despite the higher frequency of service offered by HA's competitors.
As mentioned in my earlier reply (perhaps you missed reply 13), HA's inbound flights from SEA/SFO/LAX/SMF/LAS will ALL connect to the new Manila flight, and yes, in both directions!

Quoting COSPN (Reply 15):
You have to fly where the Pax are HNL will run out of Philippine PAX in a few months...

That's precisely why HA is entering the market. 170,000 people flew from MNL to HNL in 2007, this is almost 500 people per day. Filipino-Americans make up nearly 30% of the state of Hawaii's population, I don't think HA will have any problems filling a 767 four times per week.

Try not to kill off the route before it starts!

Aloha,
HALFA



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User currently offlineHALFA From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1351 posts, RR: 16
Reply 19, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3452 times:



Quoting N1120A (Reply 17):
Are they re-timing HA1? If not, it gets in a mere 10 minutes before HA455 leaves.

When clocks are switched back to standard time on the last Sunday in March, HA# 1 will depart LAX at 8:30am instead of the present 8:45am departure, and arrive in HNL at 11:00am instead of the present 12:20pm. Hawaii does not observe day light savings time and will not be changing time along with the rest of the U.S., so when the time changes in March, HA #1 departs LAX at 0830 and arrives HNL at 1100am. HA #455 departs HNL at 1230pm and arrives MNL at 5:15pm.
It is a legal 90 minute connection.

In addition, flights departing MNL will offer connections to ALL U.S. West Coast cities served by HA, including SJC, PHX, SAN and PDX.



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26354 posts, RR: 76
Reply 20, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3447 times:



Quoting HALFA (Reply 19):

When clocks are switched back to standard time on the last Sunday in March, HA# 1 will depart LAX at 8:30am instead of the present 8:45am departure, and arrive in HNL at 11:00am instead of the present 12:20pm. Hawaii does not observe day light savings time and will not be changing time along with the rest of the U.S

Of course. I totally forgot about Hawai'i's non-observance of DST. Now it makes sense.



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User currently offlineAbrelosojos From Venezuela, joined May 2005, 5073 posts, RR: 55
Reply 21, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3420 times:

Remember, west coast/HNL - MNL is not particularly high yield business traffic. If HA prices this out right, I do not see 4x being a problem. The Filipinos and their Balikbayan boxes will gladly use HA.

Cheers,
A.



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User currently offlineCOSPN From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Oct 2001, 1605 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3308 times:

CO and NW both Offer 1 Stop Daily CO stops In Guam NW in Japan a bit out of the way

User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26354 posts, RR: 76
Reply 23, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3248 times:



Quoting Abrelosojos (Reply 21):
Remember, west coast/HNL - MNL is not particularly high yield business traffic.



Quoting Abrelosojos (Reply 21):
The Filipinos and their Balikbayan boxes will gladly use HA.

Those Balikbayan boxes are what make the flights high yield



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User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3051 times:



Quote:
The most important connections are LAX and LAS. All 3 LAX flights mis-connect, which means a day's layover in HNL. The LAS 2:30 AM departure does connect.

Sadly, this seems to be true with their Sydney service as well - US bound, it's not a problem, but westbound, it doesn't work without a day's stayover in Honolulu...although I can think of worse places to spend a day!!

I would guess that HA is going solely for local traffic HNL-MNL. I wish them great success, but it's too bad they couldn't tweak their schedules to time connections better!!



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25 Aloha73G : I know that with SYD, the curfew at SYD forces them to have the flight leave when it does, before most of the mainland flights arrive. Not sure if MN
26 SANMAN66 : [quote=N1120A,reply=23]Those Balikbayan boxes are what make the flights high yield[/quote I've seen all those boxes they travel with. What are they ca
27 LurveBus : MNL does have a curfew, but the HA flights arrive waaay before then. Mostly spam and toilet paper. Basically, they're stuffed with american groceries
28 Abrelosojos : = Ya. I never understood the logic. During the time when I lived in MNL, I had colleagues who would ask me to buy all kinds of face cream (Nivea, Pon
29 Hugo : Thanks for the info, Halfa. I wish Hawaiian all the luck and look forward to this service. I intend to use it. Would you know if international cabin s
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