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AWAS: Place Order For Up To 100 Airbus A320s  
User currently offlinePanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4115 posts, RR: 90
Posted (6 years 6 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 10848 times:
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The WallStreet Journal is reporting that AWAS Leasing has ordered up to 100 x A320 Series.

This would consist of 75 x firm orders and 25 Options.

AWAS is owned by Terra Firma Capital Partners and merged last year with Pegasus Aviation. They have a total of 320 frames and recently ordered 31 + Purchase Rights for 19 737s from Boeing in 2007.

There is no mention as to whether the order will be booked in 2007 or 2008.

We'll know next week. The leasing co's are active.

By David Altaner
Jan. 9 (Bloomberg) -- Airbus SAS, a unit of the European Aeronautic Defence & Space Co., signed an agreement to sell as many as 100 jets, worth about $6.9 billion, to leasing company AWAS (Ireland) Ltd., the Wall Street Journal reported.

AWAS, which owns or manages 320 aircraft, ordered 75 single-aisle Airbus jets, with an option for 25 more, the newspaper said.


http://www.bloomberg.com or http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1199...6176825.html?mod=hpp_us_whats_news for subscribers

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User currently offlineAsiaflyer From Singapore, joined May 2007, 1123 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 6 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 10788 times:

According to Reuters, that cites John Leahy, the above mentioned AWAS deal will be booked in 2008, and not included in 2007s numbers.


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User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12281 posts, RR: 47
Reply 2, posted (6 years 6 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 10614 times:
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http://www.reuters.com/article/businessNews/idUSN0952498720080109

Quote:
The Journal report quoted Airbus executive John Leahy as saying that the upcoming announcement* will not include the AWAS deal, which Airbus will book for this year.

*Airbus's 2007 O&D totals.

What a shocker!  wink 

If Airbus fails to beat Boeing's amazing sales total in 2007, at least this will lay to rest the myth that they use the gap between the yearly totals being announced to "cook the books". Either way, a nice start to 2008 for Airbus.



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User currently offlineWINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 68
Reply 3, posted (6 years 6 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 10406 times:



Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Thread starter):
The WallStreet Journal is reporting that AWAS Leasing has ordered up to 100 x A320 Series.

This would consist of 75 x firm orders and 25 Options.

What an amazing start to the year for Airbus and in particular the unstoppable A320 family of aircraft.  Smile

Regards,
Wings



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User currently offlinePanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4115 posts, RR: 90
Reply 4, posted (6 years 6 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 10353 times:
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This has now been confirmed by Airbus and will be available on their website shortly. Please navigate to the media section at the following link

http://www.eads.com

Regards, PanAm_DC10



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User currently offlineScouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3371 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (6 years 6 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 10272 times:

I had wondered if this lot were going to increase the tiny A350 order that was placed by Pegasus before they took them over as 2 is an odd number for a lessor.

User currently offlineChiad From Norway, joined May 2006, 1114 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 6 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 10223 times:



Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 4):
This has now been confirmed by Airbus and will be available on their website shortly. Please navigate to the media section at the following link

http://www.eads.com

Regards, PanAm_DC10

Thanks PanAm .... link now available:
http://www.eads.com/1024/en/pressdb/...bus/20080109_airbus_awas_a320.html

Great news ... but not for those who wants an A320NG to be launched!!!
 Yeah sure


User currently offlineScouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3371 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (6 years 6 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 10188 times:



Quoting Chiad (Reply 6):
Great news ... but not for those who wants an A320NG to be launched!!!

I would guess that the possibility of the NG being launched is dscussed with people placing orders and there may well be a conversion option for any frames due to be delivered at a date later than possible EIS.


User currently offlineWINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 68
Reply 8, posted (6 years 6 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 9980 times:

The Dublin based lessor AWAS has signed a firm contract for 75 A320 Family aircraft bringing their Airbus portfolio to a total of 145, comprising single aisle and long-range aircraft. This is the first order announced by Airbus this year.

Being one of the three largest aircraft leasing companies in the world, AWAS has a diversified selection of commercial aircraft and is a leader in next generation technology.


http://eads.com/1024/en/pressdb/pres...bus/20080109_airbus_awas_a320.html

Since this is a firm order, I'm rather shocked that this thread has received such little attention. What is wrong with you guys? This is a major order and I have serious doubts that we will get many more of this size in 2008.  Sad

Regards,
Wings



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User currently offlineCloudyapple From Hong Kong, joined Jul 2005, 2454 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (6 years 6 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 9853 times:

100 here and 100 there. There are new orders and there are A320 replacements as the first production A320s are coming off service after 20 years. At this rate of order booking, 40 a month would not satisfy demand!

They will need to up production to 40 much more quickly than they have planned and set the new target to something like 50. I think backlog is > 2400 with this latest order? That's 5 years' worth at 40/month or 8 years' worth at the current 30?



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User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12283 posts, RR: 25
Reply 10, posted (6 years 6 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 9838 times:



Quoting WINGS (Reply 8):
Since this is a firm order, I'm rather shocked that this thread has received such little attention. What is wrong with you guys? This is a major order and I have serious doubts that we will get many more of this size in 2008.

I guess we are all numbed by it all. This category of aircraft have backlogs in the thousands: what's another 75-100 frames?



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User currently offlineDanny From Poland, joined Apr 2002, 3506 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (6 years 6 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 9716 times:



Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Thread starter):
There is no mention as to whether the order will be booked in 2007 or 2008.

I am curious to see when they will book that as well.

Quoting WINGS (Reply 8):
Since this is a firm order, I'm rather shocked that this thread has received such little attention. What is wrong with you guys? This is a major order and I have serious doubts that we will get many more of this size in 2008.

Lessors usually get much less attention here which is weird considering their share of worldwide aircraft is constantly increasing.

Anyway - congratulations for the parties involved. AWAS clearly demonstrated their ambition to change the big two into big three on the leasing market by acquiring Pegasus and now placing large Boeing and Airbus orders. Interesting times ahead.


User currently offlineEvilForce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (6 years 6 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 9652 times:

Wow, great order for Airbus and a good start to their 2008 order books!

Has there been any talks of upping production above the planned 40 per month? It seems like they could bump that number up again to 42 or 44 per month if there is any way their supply lines could handle it.


User currently offlineLegoguy From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 3312 posts, RR: 40
Reply 13, posted (6 years 6 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 9562 times:

Nice little order to start of 2008 however I wish they would announce their 2007 orders first before starting to announce 2008 orders.


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User currently offlineReggaebird From Jamaica, joined Nov 1999, 1176 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 6 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 9529 times:

I am almost certain that this order was first revealed in 2007 and will appear in that year's totals. I am searching my magazines and other web sites to find the reference and will post a link or scan as soon as I find it. This definitely puts Airbus significantly ahead of Boeing in the 2007 orders race...which was a done deal anyway.

User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12281 posts, RR: 47
Reply 15, posted (6 years 6 months 6 days ago) and read 9506 times:
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Quoting Revelation (Reply 10):
I guess we are all numbed by it all. This category of aircraft have backlogs in the thousands: what's another 75-100 frames?

Indeed, the last three years have really blown all aircraft ordering history out of the water.

Without checking the numbers, I would be willing to bet combined A320 and 737 sales in three years have easily eclipsed all other narrow-body jets in the last 40 years! A quick estimate (without Airbus's December numbers), leads me to think over 4,500 will have been sold in the last 3 years!  Wow!  faint 

An order for 75 frames is indeed a major one and should be recognised as such. However, in this era of mega-widebody orders, I can understand why it doesn't create the interest it might once have.



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User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12281 posts, RR: 47
Reply 16, posted (6 years 6 months 6 days ago) and read 9473 times:
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Quoting Reggaebird (Reply 14):
I am almost certain that this order was first revealed in 2007 and will appear in that year's totals.

Despite the fact John Leahy specifically stated this was a 2008 order?  confused 



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User currently offlineWINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 68
Reply 17, posted (6 years 6 months 6 days ago) and read 9412 times:



Quoting Legoguy (Reply 13):
Nice little order to start of 2008

75 frames ordered + 25 options is little?  Wow!

Regards,
Wings



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User currently offlineLegoguy From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 3312 posts, RR: 40
Reply 18, posted (6 years 6 months 6 days ago) and read 9370 times:



Quoting WINGS (Reply 17):
75 frames ordered + 25 options is little?

Ok, a nice decent size order of smallish Airbus planes to start the year on  Smile Still, perhaps they should have waited until the 2007 orders are cleared up



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User currently offlineGorgos From Greece, joined Dec 2007, 232 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 6 months 6 days ago) and read 9327 times:



Quoting WINGS (Reply 17):
75 frames ordered 25 options is little?

We're just so damn spoiled!

Lets see how many a320 just has been ordered shall we?

1 A320 = 38 meters of a320
10 A320's = 380 meters of a320
100 A320's = 3.8 km's of A320

 Wow!  Wow!  Wow!


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30415 posts, RR: 84
Reply 20, posted (6 years 6 months 6 days ago) and read 9253 times:
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A solid start, plus we'll likely see some MoUs and LoIs carry over from 2007 and signed in 2008.

User currently offlineChiad From Norway, joined May 2006, 1114 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 6 months 6 days ago) and read 9190 times:



Quoting WINGS (Reply 8):
Since this is a firm order, I'm rather shocked that this thread has received such little attention. What is wrong with you guys? This is a major order and I have serious doubts that we will get many more of this size in 2008. Sad

WINGS. You are right. I am almost ashamed! I just got used to it.
75 firm orders are fantastic.

Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 7):
I would guess that the possibility of the NG being launched is dscussed with people placing orders and there may well be a conversion option for any frames due to be delivered at a date later than possible EIS.

You're probably right!


User currently offlineTak From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 161 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 6 months 6 days ago) and read 9190 times:

Very, Very Nice start to the new year for Airbus! Another big order. Yes we are getting spoiled being Ho Hum about any narrowbody less than 100 and any widebody order of less than 30. These are still huge orders. Congrats again to airbus and the A320, Ciao

User currently offlineWINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 68
Reply 23, posted (6 years 6 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 8947 times:



Quoting Legoguy (Reply 18):
Still, perhaps they should have waited until the 2007 orders are cleared up

Did it cross your mind that it might have been AWAS that wished to reveal this particular order today?

Regards,
Wings



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User currently offlineSAS A340 From Sweden, joined Jul 2000, 774 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (6 years 6 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 8747 times:

This is great news  Big grin and a good start for Airbus!! Way to go!!


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25 Post contains images CygnusChicago : Good start to the year! I find it exciting that we are so nonchalant about such a large order. I remember a time quite recently where this would easil
26 Legoguy : Indeed WINGS, AWAS may have wished to announce it but Airbus and EADS have also announced it on their website. Whilst a 75 aircraft order is importan
27 Post contains images EvilForce : Not only that but heaven help us if they had waited with the order until after releasing their 2007 sales, and if they beat Boeing then the shrill cr
28 Post contains links Scbriml : PR now on Airbus's website: http://www.airbus.com/en/presscentre...ases_items/08_01_09_awas_a320.html
29 Stitch : Airbus has a set date when they announce the previous year's totals, so there is nothing Airbus needs to "clear-up". They should have known by last W
30 Post contains images Scbriml : With standard discounts, an order for 75 A320s is not going to see much change from $3bn. I wouldn't say no to 0.1% commission on a deal like that! N
31 HawkerCamm : For accounting reasons AWAS may have demanded a 2008 order. Who knows. In any case 1 order like this per month would be very noce for A.
32 Stitch : The WSJ reports that the contract was signed on December 22, 2007. However, payment was not received until this week, so Airbus considers it firm as
33 ABpositive : This is something I don't understand, with such massive backlog of A320 and B737 sized jets, why is there not more competition in this category? Inste
34 Stitch : Maybe that massive backlog is the reason. A new entrant may not want to try and break into that market with a "more of the same" design.
35 Slz396 : Interesting to see confirmation EADS only books firm orders when deposits are paid as I have always maintained. Now, what does this mean about the Ch
36 BMED : Without sounding thick, where will all these A320s be going?
37 Post contains images CygnusChicago : SLZ396, You're missing a critical piece of logic. Your statement is incorrect. See, the "we only got the money this month" bit was said by John Leahy
38 ABpositive : But you wouldn't have such a backlog if there was an alternative in the first place. Surely there are airlines which would want an airplane now.
39 Post contains images AutoThrust : Or imagine 70 A350 or 58 A380 ...
40 Post contains images Abba : What you write is next to nonsense. One thing is to talk about facts - such as a given accounting practice. I think no one have been able to prove Le
41 Post contains images Scbriml : He was being sarcastic. Hence his
42 Toulouse : Between your "nice little order" and "nice decent size order of smallish Airbus planes" I take it you most probably being sarcastic, which Wings poss
43 Danny : Vague but correct answer is: to various carriers around the world.
44 Post contains images MrComet : Ever thought maybe they've beaten Boeing already so they don't need to cook the books on this one?
45 Post contains images Legoguy : My first post was sarcasm. The order is a fantastic order for Airbus to start the year off on, however I'm not quite sure why several people are gett
46 Post contains links Jdevora : On top of John Leahy's quote, it is stated on EADS' press release http://www.eads.com/1024/en/pressdb/...sdb/20080109_airbus_awas_a320.html *the emph
47 Joni : A very energetic way to slip into the new year. It's not long ago that Airbus used to only sell 300-400 planes per year!
48 BMED : Cheers, was just wondering if it was for one carrier in particular or not.
49 Danny : A lessor would not place that many aircraft with one carrier. Usually they try to place them with large base of customers in various markets to mitig
50 Post contains images Toulouse : As I suspected, and said. But as a moderator recently pointed out on another thread, as many a.netters are not native English speakers, sarcasm can o
51 Zeke : Both the CFM and V2500 engines had a few percent improvement last year, as well as the new interior. Next will be the improved aerodynamic package wh
52 Helvknight : And for the Americans among us, just shy of 2.4 miles of A320. More than a little impressive. Congratulations Airbus.
53 Atnight : Some people here have called me an "airbus fan" because I believe the 2005 chinese deal was counted correctly by Airbus.... asking folks to recant fr
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