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Rockford, IL (RFD) And Passenger Airline Success  
User currently offlineTWA1985 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 649 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3160 times:

He Everyone,

After reading the recent post by Csturdiv on Comair at Rockford, IL (RFD), I am curious about how United is doing there?

Any plans for more flights to DEN, perhaps a new city?

Also, anyone know of other airlines that are looking into RFD service?

What about the airline, whose name is escaping me now, which planned a hub at Rockford using 757's? Are they stil on track?

Thanks,

TWA1985

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User currently offlineFlyPeoria From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 430 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3109 times:

United Express' RFD-DEN route carried 56,070 passengers in 2007, for an average of 38 pax per flight.

I haven't heard anything from Festival Airlines since fall 2006. I'm guessing that with G4's service, there isn't room for anyone else to fly from RFD to leisure markets.


User currently offlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2691 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3094 times:



Quoting FlyPeoria (Reply 1):
United Express' RFD-DEN route carried 56,070 passengers in 2007, for an average of 38 pax per flight.

That is on CRJ-200s with 50 seats, correct? So that is a 76% load, is that good?


User currently offlineFlyPeoria From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 430 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3045 times:

Yes, UAX RFD-DEN is flown with 50-seat CRJ200's. 76% seems okay though I'm not sure of there's a Sat/Sun RON. If not, then the load factor would be a little higher.

User currently offlineNopeotone From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 158 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2978 times:

They have two flights on Sat/Sun I'm not sure if that helps, because I don't know what RON stands for. Also, you have to consider a few flights that were cancelled through out the year - they bus those passengers to ORD and fly them thru DEN when they can.

FlyPeoria - Do you have any of the Peoria - Denver numbers? I believe they started that up again this year, am I correct? I've flown into both Peoria and Rockford and enjoyed each experience, for some reason those skywest flight attendants have much better attitudes than the real UA flight attendants, that I've noticed at least.

I doubt they will add another flight to Denver only because I know they don't want to take more passengers from ORD. (Not saying that could happen, but). The route is profitable the Rockford paper announced - and UA is not on a revenue guarantee anymore, so we'll see where that goes. I could see maybe service to IAD possibly, they are looking for an east coast destination, but not sure if that'll happen.

Skybus just announced flights to GYY to NC but I don't think RFD wants or plans to fly to Greensboro, NC or wherever that is.


User currently offlineFlyPeoria From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 430 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2939 times:



Quoting Nopeotone (Reply 4):
They have two flights on Sat/Sun I'm not sure if that helps, because I don't know what RON stands for. Also, you have to consider a few flights that were cancelled through out the year - they bus those passengers to ORD and fly them thru DEN when they can.

RON = Remain Overnight. I thought UAX added a Sat PM arrival/Sun AM departure in 2007 but not sure when so capacity increased slightly during the year.

Quoting Nopeotone (Reply 4):
FlyPeoria - Do you have any of the Peoria - Denver numbers? I believe they started that up again this year, am I correct? I've flown into both Peoria and Rockford and enjoyed each experience, for some reason those skywest flight attendants have much better attitudes than the real UA flight attendants, that I've noticed at least.

Unfortunately, no, but initial flights were near full or full, and the route was the most requested among local business travelers. UAX is supposed to make a decision soon as to whether to add a second flight.

Quoting Nopeotone (Reply 4):
I doubt they will add another flight to Denver only because I know they don't want to take more passengers from ORD. (Not saying that could happen, but). The route is profitable the Rockford paper announced - and UA is not on a revenue guarantee anymore, so we'll see where that goes. I could see maybe service to IAD possibly, they are looking for an east coast destination, but not sure if that'll happen.

Well, they had cut MLI-DEN to single daily for several years then added a second flight about the time they added RFD. They then quickly added a third. Last fall, they dumped one of seven MLI-ORD nonstops, so perhaps they're trying to shift east-west pax traffic to go via DEN so ORD has room for growth to other markets.

If nothing else, they've added PIA-ORD capacity, three of five ORD flights use CRJ700s.


User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4917 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2901 times:

I can see RFD's best hope for future growth being new G4 focus cities

Does the Cancun charter still operate?



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User currently offlineMOBflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1209 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2808 times:

The RFD administration applied (unfortunately unsuccessfully) for a Small Community Air Service Development Grant to run charters to the likes of IWA, ISP, etc. This was supposed to be kind of like a proving run for WN, and even garnered a news comment from an WN exec. I think it should have won the grand, because a) it was one of the most innovative of the proposals; and b) it had potentially far-reaching effects, like major low-fare service to more than Allegiant's markets.

User currently offlineFlyPeoria From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 430 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2703 times:

Twice weekly nonstops to Shannon, Ireland next summer is something RFD can look forward too. Also, Myrtle Beach Direct Air is planning RFD service.

The Saturday-only CUN flights resumed in late December.

G4 is rumored to be planning add SAN as a destination city, and if true you can bet RFD will get at least a couple of weekly nonstops.


User currently offlineMilesrich From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1991 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2661 times:

Peoria is at least a three hour drive from ORD and there is no direct route and it's not all interstate. Rockford, on the other hand is only about 90 minutes or less from ORD, all on I-90, the Northwest Tollway, so it's difficult to compare the two. As far as Moline is concerned, UA once operated three 727's per day to DEN in 80's. But the service on UA Express is so unreliable that many people when flying west, drive to ORD, or even fly AirTran or Delta through Atlanta. Many also fly NW through MSP or MEM. United more of less gave up the westbound traffic from the Quad Cities years ago. It first went to TWA through STL and now it is spread out between many carriers, including UA and AA through ORD. RFD is an alternative airport for the far NW suburbs of Chicago. MLI and PIA are not used by greater Chicagoland residents.

User currently offlineNopeotone From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 158 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2529 times:

I don't have the link, but it was announced today that the flights to Shannon, Ireland start mid June - for sure. It gave information on prices and how to book the tickets.

- I wasn't aware G4 as considering SAN - that is a good location for them I think. FlyPeoria, you don't think RFD-SAN or Peoria-SAN are too long of distance for G4 on the mad doggs? With fuel at $100 barrel, just curious, since they've been canceling Indiana flights to Vegas.


User currently offlineMKE22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1129 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2509 times:

Would be good for RFD for Comair to go into RFD.


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User currently offlineFlyPeoria From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 430 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2436 times:



Quoting Nopeotone (Reply 10):
- I wasn't aware G4 as considering SAN - that is a good location for them I think. FlyPeoria, you don't think RFD-SAN or Peoria-SAN are too long of distance for G4 on the mad doggs? With fuel at $100 barrel, just curious, since they've been canceling Indiana flights to Vegas.

I'm thinking AA flies MD80's ORD - west coast so no, I don't think it's too far. SAN would probably have fewer spokes than AWA or LAS - probably nothing east of Chicago. I don't expect G4 to start a new focus city any time soon, especially if fuel prices continue to rise, but of any west coast destination, SAN makes the most sense with its cruises, beaches, proximity to Mexico, etc. It might even serve as an enroute stop for Hawaii flights, which the company has mentioned as a possible destination, though another aircraft type (757's?) would be required in that event.


User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4917 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks ago) and read 2412 times:



Quoting Nopeotone (Reply 10):
I don't have the link, but it was announced today that the flights to Shannon, Ireland start mid June - for sure. It gave information on prices and how to book the tickets

Wasn't the tour operator Kenny Tours? No mention on their website about any charters
http://www.kenny-tours.com/



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User currently offlineMke717spotter From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 2443 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2356 times:

What a coinsidence that this thread pops up since I was just RFD a week ago when my Funjet/Ryan International flight that was going to MKE from CUN got diverted to RFD. I'm surprised that only G4 and UA express have a few flights a day since it looks like RFD has a pretty nice terminal with three jetways.
http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/3286/ryan54fk3.jpg

I took that pic after we had parked at the international arrivals terminal. Anyways back to the main topic...I thought that maybe Skybus would come to RFD and cite it as Chicago, but they just went to GYY. Maybe some NW Saab/CRJ flights to MSP and DTW?



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User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4917 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2345 times:



Quoting Mke717spotter (Reply 14):
Maybe some NW Saab/CRJ flights to MSP and DTW?

NW airlink to DTW was tried and failed a couple of years ago



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User currently offlineKarlB737 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3096 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2336 times:



Quoting Nopeotone (Reply 10):
don't have the link, but it was announced today that the flights to Shannon

Courtesy: BusinessRockford

It’s Official: Rockford Lands Ireland Flights

http://www.businessrockford.com/homepage/x1295933472


User currently offlineNopeotone From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 158 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2274 times:

I'm curious to see how these flights to Ireland do. $888 R/T isn't terrible, especially in the summer > they also note that AA charges approx. the same.

I wonder if there are any other airlines talking to RFD.


User currently offlineMKE22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1129 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2205 times:



Quoting Nopeotone (Reply 17):
I wonder if there are any other airlines talking to RFD.

Just a rumor, but I have heard DL is looking at it, but nothing official. Anybody know if this is true?



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22726 posts, RR: 20
Reply 19, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2201 times:



Quoting Nopeotone (Reply 17):
I'm curious to see how these flights to Ireland do. $888 R/T isn't terrible, especially in the summer > they also note that AA charges approx. the same.

If it's the same price as AA, why go to RFD? There really aren't that many people for whom RFD is more convenient than ORD.



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User currently offlineFlyPeoria From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 430 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2201 times:



Quoting Mke717spotter (Reply 14):
I'm surprised that only G4 and UA express have a few flights a day since it looks like RFD has a pretty nice terminal with three jetways.

A fourth jetway had been installed when I was there Dec. 20. A boarding area was under construction.


User currently offline777fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2492 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2137 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 19):
If it's the same price as AA, why go to RFD?

Just a guess, but that might be before taxes and fees. If that's the case, I would assume RFD to be somewhat cheaper.
I'm not sure how well that route will do. Seems like they're trying to tap into a really small demographic.


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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22726 posts, RR: 20
Reply 22, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2021 times:



Quoting 777fan (Reply 21):
Just a guess, but that might be before taxes and fees. If that's the case, I would assume RFD to be somewhat cheaper.

Sure, but that's what, maybe $5 on what amounts to a ~$950 ticket (with everything factored in). It doesn't seem like a big enough difference. I think the route will do fine if they sell a large percentage of seats to folks on their tours, but they shouldn't count on a whale of a lot of unaffiliated passengers.



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