FlyPeoria From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 377 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2363 times:
United Express' RFD-DEN route carried 56,070 passengers in 2007, for an average of 38 pax per flight.
I haven't heard anything from Festival Airlines since fall 2006. I'm guessing that with G4's service, there isn't room for anyone else to fly from RFD to leisure markets.
United787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2345 posts, RR: 1 Reply 2, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2348 times:
Quoting FlyPeoria (Reply 1): United Express' RFD-DEN route carried 56,070 passengers in 2007, for an average of 38 pax per flight.
That is on CRJ-200s with 50 seats, correct? So that is a 76% load, is that good?
FlyPeoria From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 377 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2299 times:
Yes, UAX RFD-DEN is flown with 50-seat CRJ200's. 76% seems okay though I'm not sure of there's a Sat/Sun RON. If not, then the load factor would be a little higher.
Nopeotone From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 158 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2232 times:
They have two flights on Sat/Sun I'm not sure if that helps, because I don't know what RON stands for. Also, you have to consider a few flights that were cancelled through out the year - they bus those passengers to ORD and fly them thru DEN when they can.
FlyPeoria - Do you have any of the Peoria - Denver numbers? I believe they started that up again this year, am I correct? I've flown into both Peoria and Rockford and enjoyed each experience, for some reason those skywest flight attendants have much better attitudes than the real UA flight attendants, that I've noticed at least.
I doubt they will add another flight to Denver only because I know they don't want to take more passengers from ORD. (Not saying that could happen, but). The route is profitable the Rockford paper announced - and UA is not on a revenue guarantee anymore, so we'll see where that goes. I could see maybe service to IAD possibly, they are looking for an east coast destination, but not sure if that'll happen.
Skybus just announced flights to GYY to NC but I don't think RFD wants or plans to fly to Greensboro, NC or wherever that is.
FlyPeoria From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 377 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2193 times:
Quoting Nopeotone (Reply 4): They have two flights on Sat/Sun I'm not sure if that helps, because I don't know what RON stands for. Also, you have to consider a few flights that were cancelled through out the year - they bus those passengers to ORD and fly them thru DEN when they can.
RON = Remain Overnight. I thought UAX added a Sat PM arrival/Sun AM departure in 2007 but not sure when so capacity increased slightly during the year.
Quoting Nopeotone (Reply 4): FlyPeoria - Do you have any of the Peoria - Denver numbers? I believe they started that up again this year, am I correct? I've flown into both Peoria and Rockford and enjoyed each experience, for some reason those skywest flight attendants have much better attitudes than the real UA flight attendants, that I've noticed at least.
Unfortunately, no, but initial flights were near full or full, and the route was the most requested among local business travelers. UAX is supposed to make a decision soon as to whether to add a second flight.
Quoting Nopeotone (Reply 4): I doubt they will add another flight to Denver only because I know they don't want to take more passengers from ORD. (Not saying that could happen, but). The route is profitable the Rockford paper announced - and UA is not on a revenue guarantee anymore, so we'll see where that goes. I could see maybe service to IAD possibly, they are looking for an east coast destination, but not sure if that'll happen.
Well, they had cut MLI-DEN to single daily for several years then added a second flight about the time they added RFD. They then quickly added a third. Last fall, they dumped one of seven MLI-ORD nonstops, so perhaps they're trying to shift east-west pax traffic to go via DEN so ORD has room for growth to other markets.
If nothing else, they've added PIA-ORD capacity, three of five ORD flights use CRJ700s.
MOBflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1209 posts, RR: 5 Reply 7, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2062 times:
The RFD administration applied (unfortunately unsuccessfully) for a Small Community Air Service Development Grant to run charters to the likes of IWA, ISP, etc. This was supposed to be kind of like a proving run for WN, and even garnered a news comment from an WN exec. I think it should have won the grand, because a) it was one of the most innovative of the proposals; and b) it had potentially far-reaching effects, like major low-fare service to more than Allegiant's markets.
FlyPeoria From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 377 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1957 times:
Twice weekly nonstops to Shannon, Ireland next summer is something RFD can look forward too. Also, Myrtle Beach Direct Air is planning RFD service.
The Saturday-only CUN flights resumed in late December.
G4 is rumored to be planning add SAN as a destination city, and if true you can bet RFD will get at least a couple of weekly nonstops.
Milesrich From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1855 posts, RR: 7 Reply 9, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1915 times:
Peoria is at least a three hour drive from ORD and there is no direct route and it's not all interstate. Rockford, on the other hand is only about 90 minutes or less from ORD, all on I-90, the Northwest Tollway, so it's difficult to compare the two. As far as Moline is concerned, UA once operated three 727's per day to DEN in 80's. But the service on UA Express is so unreliable that many people when flying west, drive to ORD, or even fly AirTran or Delta through Atlanta. Many also fly NW through MSP or MEM. United more of less gave up the westbound traffic from the Quad Cities years ago. It first went to TWA through STL and now it is spread out between many carriers, including UA and AA through ORD. RFD is an alternative airport for the far NW suburbs of Chicago. MLI and PIA are not used by greater Chicagoland residents.
Nopeotone From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 158 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1783 times:
I don't have the link, but it was announced today that the flights to Shannon, Ireland start mid June - for sure. It gave information on prices and how to book the tickets.
- I wasn't aware G4 as considering SAN - that is a good location for them I think. FlyPeoria, you don't think RFD-SAN or Peoria-SAN are too long of distance for G4 on the mad doggs? With fuel at $100 barrel, just curious, since they've been canceling Indiana flights to Vegas.
MKE22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1111 posts, RR: 2 Reply 11, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1763 times:
FlyPeoria From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 377 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1690 times:
Quoting Nopeotone (Reply 10): - I wasn't aware G4 as considering SAN - that is a good location for them I think. FlyPeoria, you don't think RFD-SAN or Peoria-SAN are too long of distance for G4 on the mad doggs? With fuel at $100 barrel, just curious, since they've been canceling Indiana flights to Vegas.
I'm thinking AA flies MD80's ORD - west coast so no, I don't think it's too far. SAN would probably have fewer spokes than AWA or LAS - probably nothing east of Chicago. I don't expect G4 to start a new focus city any time soon, especially if fuel prices continue to rise, but of any west coast destination, SAN makes the most sense with its cruises, beaches, proximity to Mexico, etc. It might even serve as an enroute stop for Hawaii flights, which the company has mentioned as a possible destination, though another aircraft type (757's?) would be required in that event.
Humberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4901 posts, RR: 5 Reply 13, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1666 times:
Quoting Nopeotone (Reply 10): I don't have the link, but it was announced today that the flights to Shannon, Ireland start mid June - for sure. It gave information on prices and how to book the tickets
Wasn't the tour operator Kenny Tours? No mention on their website about any charters http://www.kenny-tours.com/
Mke717spotter From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 2310 posts, RR: 5 Reply 14, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1610 times:
What a coinsidence that this thread pops up since I was just RFD a week ago when my Funjet/Ryan International flight that was going to MKE from CUN got diverted to RFD. I'm surprised that only G4 and UA express have a few flights a day since it looks like RFD has a pretty nice terminal with three jetways.
I took that pic after we had parked at the international arrivals terminal. Anyways back to the main topic...I thought that maybe Skybus would come to RFD and cite it as Chicago, but they just went to GYY. Maybe some NW Saab/CRJ flights to MSP and DTW?
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KarlB737 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2927 posts, RR: 9 Reply 16, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1590 times:
Quoting Nopeotone (Reply 10): don't have the link, but it was announced today that the flights to Shannon
Nopeotone From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 158 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1528 times:
I'm curious to see how these flights to Ireland do. $888 R/T isn't terrible, especially in the summer > they also note that AA charges approx. the same.
I wonder if there are any other airlines talking to RFD.
MKE22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1111 posts, RR: 2 Reply 18, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 1459 times:
Quoting Nopeotone (Reply 17): I wonder if there are any other airlines talking to RFD.
Just a rumor, but I have heard DL is looking at it, but nothing official. Anybody know if this is true?
Cubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 21242 posts, RR: 19 Reply 19, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 1455 times:
Quoting Nopeotone (Reply 17): I'm curious to see how these flights to Ireland do. $888 R/T isn't terrible, especially in the summer > they also note that AA charges approx. the same.
If it's the same price as AA, why go to RFD? There really aren't that many people for whom RFD is more convenient than ORD.
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FlyPeoria From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 377 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 1455 times:
Quoting Mke717spotter (Reply 14): I'm surprised that only G4 and UA express have a few flights a day since it looks like RFD has a pretty nice terminal with three jetways.
A fourth jetway had been installed when I was there Dec. 20. A boarding area was under construction.
777fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2402 posts, RR: 3 Reply 21, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1391 times:
Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 19): If it's the same price as AA, why go to RFD?
Just a guess, but that might be before taxes and fees. If that's the case, I would assume RFD to be somewhat cheaper.
I'm not sure how well that route will do. Seems like they're trying to tap into a really small demographic.
Cubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 21242 posts, RR: 19 Reply 22, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1275 times:
Quoting 777fan (Reply 21): Just a guess, but that might be before taxes and fees. If that's the case, I would assume RFD to be somewhat cheaper.
Sure, but that's what, maybe $5 on what amounts to a ~$950 ticket (with everything factored in). It doesn't seem like a big enough difference. I think the route will do fine if they sell a large percentage of seats to folks on their tours, but they shouldn't count on a whale of a lot of unaffiliated passengers.
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