BP1 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 593 posts, RR: 1 Posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 8393 times:
If, and on if, in the next 5 years normal and scheduled service is legally permitted,between the US and Cuba (outside of the charters today), which airline(s) has the most to benefit from Cuba? I realize several non US carrier already fly to Cuba, but the root of the question is, will it be American with the dominance from Miami or will Jet Blue try some JFK flights?
What are your thoughts?
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BigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 3008 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 8296 times:
AA would benefit most. In theory, if there was open sky-type of agreement, I'd expect to see AA and Eagle launch flights from MIA to 7 or 8 Cuban cities. AA would probably also launch HAV flights from FLL, JFK, DFW and possibly LAX and SJU.
DL, NK, B6, CO, US would probably all benefit too, from their respective hubs/gateways.
RP TPA From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 852 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 8291 times:
Here's an interesting scenario:
How about Air Canada? Yes, I know they aren't a US carrier, but the US-Canada bilateral agreement would allow them to fly from Canada into a US city, then onto a 3rd country. Obviously this can't happen until the US opens up air travel to Cuba, but theoretically AC could fly into one of the *A hubs and then to Cuba. Also, don't forget that AC already has a presence in Cuba, so a lot of the infrstructure is in place.
EMB170 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 740 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 7901 times:
Agree about AA. Given their presence in MIA, SJU, and NYC, they would stand the most to gain. I've wondered this myself, if after AA, B6 wouldn't stand the most to gain, given where they seem to be placing their eggs these days. I've also thought that B6 (and possibly FL, but that's long down the road) might also have an advantage in getting rights seeing as how they are LFCs (and the DOT likes to spread the wealth when it can).
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EALSYS1 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 229 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 7846 times:
AA would definitely be in a great position with their MIA hub. Cuba can be reached by AE as well so it seems like AA would be a no brainer!
Can anyone else see a situation where AA or someone else picks up some 744D's or other large aircraft and set them up in a domestic configuration for what should be high density/high frequency flights from MIA to HAV ?
I'd be on these flights a lot! Of course I'm looking forward to these flights after the fall of the dictatorship!
That's a no brainer for me: AA would make a fortune with those shuttle flights between MIA and Cuba, even if it's just VFR traffic. Plus throw in some MQ regional service and they may have a winning combination.
Hiflyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2220 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 7764 times:
The Eagle ATR fleet is perfect for Cuba ops on a quick short term basis....in fact they do a lot of it now under the charters.
If travel barriers fall then expect Cuba to become the next hot spot for tourists due to low prices....in that case all major hubs would be good points for service to HAV and 1 or two larger resort towns....Jamaica, Bahamas, Cayman, and the Dominican Republic would lose business initially until prices equaled and the 'thrill' was gone.
However...remember it takes 2 to tango on intl routes...the question is would Cuba agree to open skies or want to protect Cubana? I would suspect an initial limited agreement protecting Cubana...probably allowing it to align with a major carrier for upgrading Cubana in turn for full island access.
Remember also that cruise ships would flood in as well....especially as they come with their own hotel which would work great at the beginning...again pulling business away from other resort venues in the region. Large car carrying ferries/hydrofoils out of SoFla would be an automatic as well.....new cars in and classic 57 chevy's back out....grin.
IMHO do not forget TPA as well as MIA as key gateways due to large populations of Cuban expats for service to a lot of the rest of the island.....especially for business and family reunions.
Air Canada currently gets a lot of flights from people overseas who transfer to Cuba via Canada. They also get some sales from Americans who go to Canada and illegally enter Cuba that way. In the case of the former, there would be new competition, and the second market would be eliminated.
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Servisair From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 37 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 7644 times:
The real money will come from FREIGHT not really the passenger for about a year. At the time and this goes back a while UA was planning to put DC10's in 5 times a day because the plane was a work horse for freight but would also be able to get the passenger traffic. I remember at the time the thought was Cuba would open up but it never did.
Half of the United States furniture and other house hold items would be shipped to Cuba right away. And half of Cuba (Antiques) would be shipped to the US so the need for freight would be tremendous.
After things settled down a bit, it would become a huge vacation destination.
Silentbob From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2309 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 7526 times:
Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 11): Besides south Florida and the greater NYC metro area, what other airports will see flights?
One would have to assume that along with the normalization of relations there would be significant revitalization of the island, especially resorts and other tourism. It would also be a place that not many Americans have visited, so I would expect a large surge in visitors shortly after the flights were opened up.
: This is "NOT" true. Only UA has the "rights" and no other "airline". Charter "companies" have the "right" to fly the route. The charter companies onl
: An interesting question. I guess it would be whoever gets the right schedule in place ex Florida and NY. That said, as long as Cuba continues to not c
: Everybody is waiting for the old man to die, Bob. I know it sounds very sick - even for somebody with a history like Castro's - but there is always t
: Fifth freedom rights are rarely very useful or profitable these days. Passengers want nonstop flights, not an intermediate stop in the US with all th
: I forgot about that! I've been in the AErngates in Miami while they boarded ATR flights to Cuba. This canrndefinitely be taken on MANY different ways
: AA could fly like 10 daily 777's between MIA and Cuba with all the Cuban's in miami. Though, im sure a ferry service would do better.
: Is this even a question? With AA controlling ~70% of Miami, which is home to a gazillion Cubans, it should be a no brainer. In addition to AA/AR servi
: Correct as far as rights, only UA has the rights. However, under special operation parameters, over the last 5 years American, American Eagle, Delta,
: " target=_blank>http://flightaware.com/live/flight/C...A1905 Ok.. There is no "special operation parameters" A US Airline CANNOT fly to CUBA. CO/AA/D
: Gosh... I call it piss, you call it pee. Whatever. But it would be a special operating parameter.
: Los Angeles, Orlando, and Tampa, plus obvious hub cities (Atlanta, Charlotte, Chicago, and Dallas come to mind). From South Florida, HAV service is a