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B6 New Routes/cities 2008  
User currently offlineBOStonsox From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1993 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 13201 times:

It's a new year and even though they have slowed down their growth, we can be sure that some routes and cities will be added to their route map. BOS-JAX and MCO-CUN were announced (but not formally) and there is ongoing speculation on others, including BOS-MSY. Will they expand out west, in the midwest, or what?

Here are my thoughts:

New cities will be IND, MSP, Dallas (McKinney), GYY

New routes will include BOS-MSY, BOS-HOU, BOS-SRQ, BOS-SMF, MCO-PIT, FLL-PIT, PIT-MCO, RIC-MCO, RDU-MCO, CLT-MCO, and IAD-PIT.


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User currently offlineJetBlueGuy2006 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1663 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 13193 times:



Quoting BOStonsox (Thread starter):
New cities will be IND, MSP, Dallas (McKinney), GYY

Are you kidding about MSP? They would get slaughtered. I mean, I love B6, but MSP is Red Tail country.

IND might be depending on what NW and FL end up doing.

The other 2 I just don't see.

I am hopeful they will make an entry into Michigan. I mean Dave Barger is a Michigan man, I thought once he became CEO, he would want a connection to the home state



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User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4581 posts, RR: 18
Reply 2, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 13149 times:

I seriously doubt IND will happen. The market is well saturated with LCC service.


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User currently offlineLowecur From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 585 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 13140 times:

Sit back and watch the consolidation first, and then you may see lots of new cities. I don't see too much until that happens.

User currently offlineMOBflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1209 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 13125 times:

I wish they could come to Mobile! It's got a similar market area to Richmond, VA; and they have even spoke (albeit briefly, because of the current oil situation, IMO) of significant expansion from there. MOB is not too close to MSY (2.5 hours) and has no service to the NYC area. With MOB right between GPT and PNS, come on... what are they waiting for?

In my dreams, anyway.


User currently offlineLuvfa From United States of America, joined May 2005, 447 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 13063 times:

With the price of oil going where it is, don't look for new cities out of B6, just alot of connecting the dots. PWM-FLL, BOS-SRQ, SWF-TPA, HPN-TPA, LGA-RSW, LGA-TPA, CLT-MCO etc. If they do add any new cities they will probably be in the Carribean from FLL/MCO. With the cap of flights from JFK, they will probably move as many E190 flights to 320's that demand allows. This will allow them to P2P smaller cities to FLL/MCO/SWF

User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7760 posts, RR: 25
Reply 6, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 13061 times:



Quoting BOStonsox (Thread starter):
New cities will be IND, MSP, Dallas (McKinney), GYY

McKinney, really? I cant imagine anyone going there. Its all suburbs there. Not too much business. Im sure B6 would be interested in DAL, but the Wright Amendment is a problem there.



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User currently onlineCcrlR From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 2241 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 13061 times:
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Quoting JetBlueGuy2006 (Reply 1):

Are you kidding about MSP? They would get slaughtered. I mean, I love B6, but MSP is Red Tail country.

Forget about MSP but Gary? I doubt that.



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User currently offlineBOStonsox From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1993 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 13009 times:

Here's why I chose those four cities:

IND has a new terminal. If B6 wanted a midwestern focus city, I think that would be where they would go. Every other major airport in the midwest is a hub for somebody. Cape Air is there too so if they want to they could codeshare on some routes.

MSP is a NW hub sure, but from JFK and BOS I think it has a chance. FL was able to sneak in there, so why not? B6 is doing fine in ORD as well, and I think that the Boston route could use some more service (there are quite a few Minnesotans here). There is some point where an airline is big enough where it could start service from its hub. For example, MSP has AA service to ORD and DFW, so maybe B6 is big enough.

McKinney was mentioned in a recent thread as having talked to B6. If they want to serve the Dallas market, this would probably be the way to do it.

GYY talked to B6 as well.

Actually, I'll throw in two more: ILG and STL. STL was a popular rumor last year and ILG could work to serve PHL/BWI. I wonder how much a battle AA would put up.



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User currently offlineJetBlueAUS From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 1145 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 12964 times:



Quoting BOStonsox (Reply 8):
GYY talked to B6 as well.

Since JetBlue has favorable operations at O'Hare, I'm sure they will not start GYY service.



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User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6568 posts, RR: 20
Reply 10, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 12969 times:



Quoting JetBlueGuy2006 (Reply 1):
Are you kidding about MSP? They would get slaughtered. I mean, I love B6, but MSP is Red Tail country.

But JFK is BLUE territory. I don't know why US doesn't do DCA-MSP either.



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User currently offlineLoneStarMike From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 3861 posts, RR: 34
Reply 11, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 12903 times:

I can't tell you all how many times I have read how well B6 is doing at AUS...and I believe it. I wish B6 would add more flights there.

Every month AUS issues it's activity report and it's broken out by airline. With 4 daily departures (and 4 arrivals) all on 100-seat aircraft, B6 offers 800 seats per day in and out of AUS.

Here's B6's statistics for the last seven months at AUS: (note - I figured available seats by multiplying 800 seats times the number of days in the month.)

May, 2007: 24,800 available seats - 21,807 passengers carried - 87.9% of all available seats filled.

June, 2007: 24,000 available seats - 22,670 passengers carrief - 94.4% of all available seats filled.

July, 2007: 24,800 available seats - 23,847 passengers carried - 96.1% of all available seats filled.

August, 2007: 24,800 available seats - 22,865 passengers carried - 92.2% of all available seats filled.

September, 2007: 24,000 available seats - 19607 passengers carried - 81.6% of all available seats filled.

October, 2007: 24,800 available seats - 20,189 passengers carried - 81.4% of all available seats filled.

November, 2007: 24,000 available seats - 19,194 passengers carried - 80.0% of all available seats filled.

I would love to see B6 add a couple of AUS-IAD flights, one of which could continue on to JFK and one which could continue on to BOS.

That would give B6 customers in Austin a choice of

4 daily departures to JFK (3 n/s and one direct)
2 daily departures to BOS (1 n/s and one direct)
2 daily departures to IAD (both n/s)

I know...wishful thinking.

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User currently offlineLuvfa From United States of America, joined May 2005, 447 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 12879 times:

AUS-IAD would be a good market for them, with the heavy amount of tech companies in both Austin and N. Virginia, the yields would definitely be high!

User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23224 posts, RR: 20
Reply 13, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 12795 times:



Quoting CcrlR (Reply 7):
Forget about MSP but Gary? I doubt that.

B6 wouldn't even go to MDW; they demanded ORD (which significantly delayed their entry in to the Chicago market). They wouldn't be interested in GYY. MKE might work, however.

I think B6 ought to look at STL, but the problem is that there is a lot of competition to Florida, and that combined with caps at JFK leaves them with little room to grow. Notwithstanding slot availability, I think JFK, BOS, and LGB could all do well.



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User currently offlineSKYYBLUE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 12787 times:

I would love to see JetBlue open:

JFK-PAP 1 X DAILY 320

JFK-MIA 3X DAILY 320

JFK-PUJ 1 X DAILY 320

BOS-MSY 1X DAILY 190

BOS-HOU 2X DAILY 190

AUS-SJC/SFO 2X DAILY 190

AUS-FLL 1X DAILY 190

FLL-STI 1X DAILY 320

FLL-SFO 1X DAILY 320


User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9263 posts, RR: 21
Reply 15, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 12699 times:



Quoting BOStonsox (Thread starter):
Here are my thoughts:

New cities will be IND, MSP, Dallas (McKinney), GYY

New routes will include BOS-MSY, BOS-HOU, BOS-SRQ, BOS-SMF, MCO-PIT, FLL-PIT, PIT-MCO, RIC-MCO, RDU-MCO, CLT-MCO, and IAD-PIT.

It was rumored that B6 will open a FLA city or two to help with the market performance so that PIT overall would almost break even for B6.

I am not sure about IAD though, altho the last LCC to serve this was FlyI for about a year before the airline folded. I think UA is the only airline serving IAD-PIT.

I am curious as to what type of aircraft B6 would use to serve these new routes. I am thinking all E90s again. Maybe an A320 to either MCO or FLL, but I doubt it...



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User currently offlineJetblueguy22 From United States of America, joined exactly 7 years ago today! , 2822 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 12633 times:
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Quoting JetBlueGuy2006 (Reply 1):
Are you kidding about MSP? They would get slaughtered. I mean, I love B6, but MSP is Red Tail country.

Slaughtered! Do you know how much it costs to fly JFK-MSP! I flew on NW and they charged nearly $400 dollars! They would make a killing doing that route. It is true it is Red Tail country and I like that but look at Sun Country they are doing well in MSP. I believe B6 would be able to too.
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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23224 posts, RR: 20
Reply 17, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 12621 times:



Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 15):
I am not sure about IAD though, altho the last LCC to serve this was FlyI for about a year before the airline folded. I think UA is the only airline serving IAD-PIT.

Steeler, you've said before that DH did really well on IAD-PIT, and I think B6 could benefit from opening some of the more successful old DH routes. CLT also comes to mind.



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User currently onlineJBLUA320 From United States of America, joined May 2002, 3180 posts, RR: 19
Reply 18, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 12609 times:
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I'd like to see some more expansion from RDU, though that would be difficult with just one gate at RDU, as it's going to be getting used quite a bit with the addition of the Florida flight. Wishful thinking...

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User currently offlineJetBlueGuy2006 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1663 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 12572 times:



Quoting Jetblueguy22 (Reply 16):
Slaughtered! Do you know how much it costs to fly JFK-MSP! I flew on NW and they charged nearly $400 dollars! They would make a killing doing that route

Northwest does not take kindly to people invading their space, especially MSP. Just because it is expensive now, that doesn't mean if they came in it would make it any better. NW would match fares and probably have a better flight schedule to keep their loyal flyers which is something B6 doesn't have.



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User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9263 posts, RR: 21
Reply 20, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 12551 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 17):
CLT also comes to mind.

That could also work to B6' and CLT's benefit. I guess we'll see what heppens...  Smile



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User currently offlineJetblueguy22 From United States of America, joined exactly 7 years ago today! , 2822 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 12529 times:
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Quoting JetBlueGuy2006 (Reply 19):
NW would match fares and probably have a better flight schedule to keep their loyal flyers which is something B6 doesn't have.

You can't get much better than B6's fares. Plus I was reading NW was going to start charging for drinks what doesn't actually pull in pax.
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User currently offlineDL777LAX From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 521 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 12516 times:

I see alot of dots being connected.

I know that this entire list will not be commenced in its entirety, but these routes seem like they're plausible and fit the B6 model.

From BOS:
ORD (seems like an obvious gap in there system),
SYR,ROC (I remember some rumors about B6 doing upstate-BOS flights, they started BUF somewhat recently, so...), SRQ, JAX (JAX had shown up on the route map, and Florida is B6's bread and butter),
MSY (again, already rumored, plus with a 300 seat increase on JFK-MSY-JFK, who knows?
HOU (seems like an obvious route to connect)
SLC (seems like a route they could make a killing on with just DL in the market)
SDQ (They have service to STI from BOS, would compliment the service)

TOTAL 8 New Routes

From FLL:
SYR, ROC, PWM, SDQ (Cities with MCO service, but not FLL service, and have a market for FLL)
PIT (Once again, rumored)
ORD (once again, seems like an obvious gap in the system)
MSY (seems like an obvious route for B6)
AUS (Successful market for Blue)
HOU (Seems like another obvious route for Blue)
SJU (Blue has better service than AA and NK, and market through flights from MSY, AUS, HOU and ORD to SJU)
SAN (Would have SAN-South Florida to themselves)

TOTAL 11 New Routes

From MCO:
RIC, RDU, CLT, OAK (Cities to recieve /have FLL service, would compliment those services)
PIT, ORD, MSY, AUS, HOU (See FLL)
LGB (A better choice than BUR, and a longer runway so less fuel stops)
CUN (Had shown up on the route map at same time with JAX-BOS)

TOTAL 11 New Routes

From: SLC:
SEA, PDX, SMF, OAK, SJC, ONT, LAS, PHX, TUC (B6 is rumored to ramp up the flying in the west, and SLC seems like it has the most potential for a jetBlue focus city, so they'd have a nice sized intra-western hub)
MSY, HOU, AUS (Has no WN competition, DL doesn't even fly into HOU)
ORD, BOS, IAD, MCO, FLL (Would compliment the intra-western hub)

TOTAL 16 New Routes

From IAD:
IAD seems like it has huge potential to be a reliever hub from JFK. BOS is just too north for most to be a convient hub.
therefore, I see that the entire system west of the Missisippi(with the exception of RIC HPN, SWF, LGA and EWR) being connected to IAD. I also see, once again, HOU, MSY, and AUS being connected, and maybe a route or two out west. edit: DH had some pretty profitable routes too that they could replicate, so... who knows?

TOTAL Somewhere in the range of 20-25 New Routes

GRAND TOTAL: In the range of the 70s

Now, I know that this isn't going to happen all in this year. I'd be damned if more than 15-20 routes were announced this year, but this seems like what B6's future growth plan is shaping up to be. Blue has been reported to be cutting back in terms of the amount of stations they are looking to open. This growth plan will probably be accomplished in somewhere between 3-5 years from now.

If they do open up any new stations:
I'd be expecting that they'd open up something in Canada (possibly YYZ, YOW or YUL),
something in the North East (possibly a couple of the following (MHT, PVD, ALB, PHL, BWI),
Possible ATL (they are in better shape now to compete with DL than when they first made a go of ATL),
Something in the midwest (One or two of these: CLE, CVG, DTW, MKE, MSP, IND)
STL (you'll get your service)
Maybe something in the carribean too, maybe a resort city in Mexico.

All I can say is this, 2008 will be an interesting year. I know that this is an unpredictable industry. jetBlue is one of those airlines though that has said they'll do something one way, and turn around and do it differently. Whether or nor they choose to continue the current pattern of growth (Carribean from JFK, connecting N.E. Stations to Florida, building up SLC-Western destinations), or decides to pursue a different strategy (Build up of IAD?), I don't have the answers. I can speculate, but as an arm-chair CEO, I have the same information that everyone else in the public has, which isn't much. Only management really knows where the airline is going.

Sorry for the length of this post.

[Edited 2008-01-09 17:33:56]


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User currently onlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6784 posts, RR: 17
Reply 23, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 12504 times:



Quoting JBLUA320 (Reply 18):
I'd like to see some more expansion from RDU, though that would be difficult with just one gate at RDU, as it's going to be getting used quite a bit with the addition of the Florida flight. Wishful thinking...

Look for at least 3 gates opening up in about 5 months as Delta departs their 5 gates (2 gates will be closed permanently to make room for an in-line baggage screening system).. I could see B6 grabbing 1 and FL grabbing 1..



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User currently offlineJetblueguy22 From United States of America, joined exactly 7 years ago today! , 2822 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 12497 times:
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Quoting DL777LAX (Reply 22):
something in the North East (possibly a couple of the following (MHT, PVD, ALB, PHL, BWI),

I would bet they would look at BDL. The only problem would be some competition form DL on Florida routes.

Quoting DL777LAX (Reply 22):
Sorry for the length of this post.

Thank you! That was actually really interesting.
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25 Iloveboeing : B6 could keep it simple and just go to DFW, like F9, AS, and FL did. They don't need to be afraid of AA. With oil prices being so high, AA would be s
26 Steeler83 : Many have been wondering when PHL would be added, but I am not sure about the competition by US or WN depending on markets served. BWI is a massive W
27 Cubsrule : ORD is probably going to have a lot of arrivals available when the new runway comes online, but B6 will be somewhat limited by their lack of gate spa
28 Jfk69 : Can the 320 do this route?
29 Jetbluejackets : Good things come to those who wait....
30 PanAm330 : SYR has a daily FLL non-stop already.
31 MAH4546 : It's not an obvious gap at all. O'Hare isn't an important station for them, and they don't have slots. SYR has year-round, daily service to FLL on an
32 FlyDeltaJets87 : Would be nice for me, but I doubt we'll see this. FL, DL, and WN are already on this route with non-stop service, so I think its unlikely B6 will joi
33 BOStonsox : As I said on the B6 at DAL post, DAL and DFW are Dallas and no matter what AA is going to fight you. The only difference between the two is one is che
34 Post contains images Lowecur : Yes, without pax and baggage.
35 MAH4546 : Or with, considering FLL-SFO is shorter than both JFK-SFO and BOS-SFO.
36 Post contains images Steeler83 : I didn't think Chicago-Toledo-Cleveland-Pittsburgh counted as a megalopolis
37 JetBlueAUS : JetBlue operates FLL-OAK, which is the same amount of distance. Why not? I wonder if JetBlue will ever add maybe 2-3 daily flights on an E190 on conn
38 JetBluefan1 : Considering that B6 is only expected to expand 6-9% this year, I don't think that there will be too many announcements. Here's what I'm thinking (besi
39 ERJ170 : If you gonna do MCO-CLT.. you can add MCO-RDU.. jetBlue seems to like the Carolinas to mirror each other..
40 MAH4546 : Yes, alongside Spirit and Delta (and American, Delta, and Continental from MIA). The Dominician community in Orando isn't that large. It would likely
41 JetBlueAUS : Hopefully they'll think about adding a second nonstop AUS-BOS flight, but I doubt it. Ah, okay then. Chances are they won't add the route.
42 LambertMan : Color me skeptical on B6 coming to St. Louis in the near future. I'm under the impression that their last minute changes in demands rubbed the airpor
43 N908AW : You know, the concept of airline consolidation is like the A.net equivalent of global warming. Some seem to think they see the writing on the wall, o
44 JetBluefan1 : The only problem I see with MCO-RDU is that WN flies the route. Keep in mind that FLL-RDU was announced before WN had its impulse reaction (along wit
45 MAH4546 : SDQ is the capital and largest city. It is also the third largest city in the Caribbean after Havanna and San Juan. On the flip-side, STI is the weal
46 ERJ170 : True.. but look at the coverage.. CLT-MCO (9x US, 1x FL) Ave price $273 RDU-MCO (4x WN, 3x DL, 1x FL) Ave price $227 Not the big a difference between
47 Michman : You guys are forgetting that AA now has LGA-MSP service. With the entrance of AA in the NYC-MSP market and SY's existing flights, I don't see B6 ente
48 MAH4546 : There is a huge difference, and that being Southwest. JetBlue tends to avoid flying the same routes as Southwest, and while it does happen, it usuall
49 JetBlueAUS : Seems like Southwest is trying to grow in FLL so that markets that JetBlue might want to go into are already flown by Southwest metal. (i.e. FLL-AUS,
50 RJ777 : I hope Jet Blue comes to Omaha some day. RJ
51 7e72004 : I would not count IND out completely...I could see them adding IND with a -175/-195. But if they do start IND, i doubt it would happen before the new
52 JetBlueAUS : JetBlue operates the E190, not the E175 or E195.
53 BOStonsox : The reason why I think BOS-SMF would work is because aside from the Washington Beltway, Route 128 (the ring around Boston) and Napa Valley are the lar
54 Af773atmsp : I think B6 could do BOS-MSP because of NW being the only airline that flies that route. NYC-MSP has too much competition
55 Ptugarin : To summarize other threads, I think we can expect a SLC expansion, as well as some new international service. Hence the application to Brazil and Colo
56 MAH4546 : While jetBlue has applied for FLL-BOG and MCO-BOG, they have not applied to fly to Brazil and likely will not fly to Brazil for the forseeable future
57 Post contains images JetBlueAUS : Ah yes, SLC. Salt Lake, I think, has great potential for JetBlue and so far the expansion that they have operated out of SLC has been successful. In
58 SouthSky : That certainly would be interesting. An E90 would certainly (possibly 2x) fit well in the market. MOB has need New York service for ever. In fact, I
59 MAH4546 : The daily O&D numbers (while they admittedly don't include leakage) strongly suggest otherwise. And given Pensacola's inability to keep NYC non-stops
60 SANFan : I don't follow you there MAH'; are you saying that AA, after pretty much giving SAN-JFK (down now to a single n/s daily r/t) and SAN-BOS (as good as
61 MAH4546 : Yes, I am saying that. MIA is a hub for AA, and their second largest mainline operation after DFW (in terms of passengers, O'Hare is still second in
62 A318 : Anyone think ISP is in the cards for B6? Even before WN started cutting back flights, there was still an over abundance of gate space in the new termi
63 SANFan : Yet, hmmmmm, they still don't feel that connecting SAN and MIA is worth it (as long, perhaps, as nobody else does?...) Depending on the data used, I
64 SouthSky : I think the notoriety of a JetBlue nonstop to NY is different than a DL flight, however. It would be MOB's first LCC of the new millenium.
65 MAH4546 : That is exactly part of it. There is no reason to fly it if nobody else is. It's nothing new. AA wasn't flying from Miami to St. Lucia until Delta an
66 SJC4Me : Theres a pretty substantial difference between B6 and WN. Offering a terminal to arguably one of the most successful airlines in history, based in Da
67 EMB170 : I see your reasons. As much as I'd like my hometown city to have the opportunity to have "true blue" service, I don't know how likely that is to happ
68 Rampart : Actually, he's right. When the term "megalopolis" was first applied to North America in the 1960s, "San-San", "Chi-Pitt", and "Bos-Wash" were the fir
69 MOBflyer : As far as I know, the only nonstop that PNS has had to NYC was a CRJ to JFK on Comair. Are their any others? IIRC, that route was heavily subsidized.
70 EvilForce : I don't understand all the paranoia around MSP and NWA killing all competitors. Yes in the past NWA has chased many airlines out, but if your cost str
71 SouthSky : I agree. I wonder if the Mobile Airport Authority lets these airlines know the amount of growth going on in Mobile/Baldwin counties. With the aforeme
72 Steeler83 : At least the states of Ohio and Illinois are trying to make this statement in their push for the Ohio Hub and Midwest Regional Rail projects respecti
73 Post contains images MSYtristar : About the closest would be UltrAir's 727 service MOB-BHM-NYC (can't remember the airport) back in the early 90's. I wouldn't look for B6 to serve MOB
74 EvilForce : That's exactly what I proposed back in 2001 after the attacks. Look how easily this country came to a standstill without aviation. I believe it's in
75 Steeler83 : Mate, I have one thing to say to that: Welcome to my RU list!
76 Jetblueguy22 : I believe it would be a little hard with the growth of the airport. Of course they wouldn't! But with more competition it is good for me and many oth
77 ThegreatRDU : RDU-MCO will work yes....yes it will
78 UN_B732 : I could see some more SLC- East Coast service if the E-190s on the West take off. Also, FLL-BTV I think has a decent chance of happening at some point
79 MCOflyer : I tend to agree but think it is still a shot to look at. Any chance of B6 coming to MLB? We only have DL and I think a little competition wouldn't hu
80 Vc10fan : B6 start E190 services from both CLT and RDU to FLL today, 1/10/08. I think both are 1 x daily. vc10fan
81 MAH4546 : The route was not subsidized and started at a time when JFK was becoming the domestic airport it is today. History shows they wouldn't. Time after ti
82 SKYYBLUE : And already...with RIC, going year round, not seasonal as originally announced.
83 LambertMan : I'm not sure what Jetblue means by "growth of the airport", but Indianapolis has no true hometown carrier. ATA did a decent job of appealing to India
84 MOBflyer : But are there that many airports without nonstop competition and that are high yielding?
85 Cubsrule : I'd heard that as well. However, it's amazing how things change when a 'desired' airline wants to come to town. J7 owed BNA (MNAA, more accurately) a
86 MSYtristar : In the end, MOB-NYC is a very unproven market, and I think that if any airline would start the service, it'd probably be someone like DL with a CRJ.
87 MAH4546 : Here is why I believe, and I think others agree, Mobile will not work for JetBlue, and why JetBlue won't enter it. If they did, this is what would ha
88 Cubsrule : FL has had some success in smaller markets (Bloomington-Normal has fewer than 200,000 people), though they've failed at others (as you point out). Th
89 USAirALB : I could swear ALB is on the list, as I flown a flight when David Neelman is onboard and he says they are always looking at ALB, but haven't pulled it
90 Tornado82 : Doubtful, looking at what happened in CMH and that PIT isn't strong. The 3 are somewhat similar markets. Gary is no way in hell. They're already in O
91 LambertMan : People discount Indianapolis as a minor market. We're not talking about Fort Wayne here. Even though B6 is losing most of its mystique in airline cir
92 Tornado82 : Nobody is discounting anything. But was Columbus a minor market? Is Pittsburgh a minor market? They're all similar markets, and post-PIT hub they're
93 USAirALB : what about ALB? see other reply
94 LambertMan : Please, do enlighten you? Am I discounting you? Are you discounting me? I guess I'll try to do some enlightening. The average fare for the carrier th
95 Steeler83 : I think the only thing WN is struggling with in PIT is the 50% fee hike. If not for that, there were talks about them adding more flights and destina
96 FlyDeltaJets87 : RDU-MCO would be nice. I've always wanted to try JetBlue but am not willing to fly MCO-JFK-RDU to do so, once you consider my starting and ending des
97 FlyDeltaJets87 : RDU-MCO would be nice. I've always wanted to try JetBlue but am not willing to fly MCO-JFK-RDU to do so, once you consider my starting and ending des
98 LambertMan : Perhaps that is true, but fees are fees, JetBlue incurs them too. JetBlue is the object of what I was talking about and perhaps those fees are why it
99 Tornado82 : Because of exactly what I was saying. B6 came to CMH and PIT... the ONLY way to lure people away from their FF miles on these WELL SERVED routes was
100 Post contains links LambertMan : Does Southwest expanding onto both UA's and F9's turf in Denver say anything about how they see Pittsburgh? At this point US has basically pulled out
101 Indy : I don't think B6 will come to IND because there are already 4 carriers serving the NY city area (JFK, LGA and EWR). There isn't enough demand for a 5t
102 Post contains links MOBflyer : I was referring to a reply in this thread: Airtran - Welfare Queen (by Padcrasher Apr 17 2005 in Civil Aviation) I'm sorry that it proved incorrect.
103 Steeler83 : That's what I said earlier. I think it has to do with the fee hike. I know that fees are fees, but if you look at the fees now for PIT and compare th
104 Cubsrule : Agreed, to a point. But people do fly WN (mostly for price), and if B6 could come in and offer lower fares than AA (and CO) to NYC, I think they coul
105 MrSTL : I agree with you and LambertMan, but there are 80 daily flights of WN passengers who would disagree about loyalty to AA. However, I have to admit AAd
106 LambertMan : It doesn't matter if its fees or poor passenger response, the operation is considered as a whole. If the fees are so much that it compromises the abi
107 Greenair727 : What about BOS-CLE or FLL-CLE? CO has a monopoly on both of these routes and it would represent a new destination for B6. Currently, the only LCC in t
108 MAH4546 : AirTrn flies FLL-CAK seasonally.
109 BAKJet : But none of them are LCCs
110 BOStonsox : As well as BOS-CAK year round. In Ohio the market somebody has got to crack though is CVG. I have a friend from there and he used to fly B6 from BOS-
111 Iloveboeing : CVG is in Kentucky, actually. Yes, CVG is definitely a market that needs to be exploited. DL has had a stranglehold on that airport for years. If WN
112 Indy : NW pretty much runs an LCC type operation out of IND. They often have the lowest fares out of IND. If not the lowest they are close to the lowest.
113 BOStonsox : I know. CVG is short for Covington, the city across the river. But it serves Cincinatti nonetheless (as well as a good part of southern Ohio). I thin
114 Tornado82 : You're chronologically wrong in that the yields bottomed before Skybus flew a flight. B6 announced their exit before Newburgh flights took off IIRC a
115 Post contains images MKE22 : What about MKE? I think B6 should go into MKE, but not as a focus city. I think if FL didn't go into MKE as a focus city, then B6 could have. Just my
116 EvilForce : Midwest Airlines is already based there.
117 Cubsrule : The question is whether they could coexist. If B6 had lower fares, B6 and YX would arguably be catering to different markets. B6 would likely be unab
118 MKE22 : So? B6 could compete with them. They are pretty vulnerable in several areas. I think one of the areas they could compete in is the west coast. Their
119 Post contains images PanAm330 : 6. Delta ends non-stop service, citing decreasing yields and increasing fuel costs, and MOB is left with no NYC service. FLL, yes. There is demand, a
120 SJOtoLIR : Non-stop flights to most cities in Brazil look out of the comfortable range for the 320, unless they would fly to MAO in the future, as JJ is doing e
121 RampGuy : Plus DL is already doing IND-JFK. So I doubt JetBlue will compete.
122 Post contains images 7E72004 : I would not mind it if JetBlue came to IND because i really would like to try them, but do not want to drive far just for that
123 BAKJet : OK, I guess I agree with you there. I just want B6 to come to IND.
124 Steeler83 : Doesn't NW run a LCC type operation just about everywhere, or at least try to in many markets? I looked up service on faremeasure.com from PIT-ORF, a
125 Post contains images YXwatcherMKE : As much as I love flying YX and supported their actions with the merger action, I would like to see MKE get service by B6. We currently have no n/s or
126 Viaggiare : Mark, do you foresee B6 joining F9 and NK at SJO sometime this year? There's competition both from FLL (AA, NK) and JFK (DL, TA) to consider. And how
127 MKE22 : When did we get JFK? But yeah your right, it would help us by getting bigger and more frequent JFK service. IAD would be good too, because I don't th
128 Acquittal : I am a regular on the BOS-FLL route, but would prefer BTV or PSM via nonstop instead. Being that B6 already loaded their summer schedule, what is the
129 B752OS : A non-stop FLL-BTV would not take away from FLL-BOS, Burlington is too far away, about 3.5 hours away. PSM has yet to show itself as being a Logan al
130 Acquittal : Thanks for your thoughts. MHT has very limited nonstop options ( just recently added by WN ). I spend a ton of time in Northern NH B6 has 4-5 flights
131 JetBluefan1 : MCO-BTV is off to a strong start, so I can definitely see FLL-BTV coming online as well. However, I would take a gander and say that you will not see
132 Acquittal : My bad, I meant Portland, ME. I figured that there would be no movement on FLL -BTV for this summer. It would've been loaded in. I think that there ar
133 KstateinALB : Well yeah, they are probably on the list, also with probably 20 other cities that could sustain B6 service. That Schumer deal, when he said that ALB
134 MKE22 : I think they could do something out of ALB.
135 MKE22 : What about PIE? They are adding loading bridges and doing a terminal renovation.
136 KstateinALB : I wouldn't say never, but it's a million to one shot that it would happen. I don't see potential for it, I would say that if anything for a Florida C
137 LoneStarMike : I also think B6 could make AUS-RDU work, especially if it continued on to BOS as 1-stop no-change-of-planes service like the AUS-IAD-BOS example I gav
138 MKE22 : Another thought, doesn't B6 serve SRQ as well?
139 Ssides : I hear lots of people, both on this board and in the area, talk about how TKI might be a third airport for the DFW metropolitan area. Frankly, I just
140 HPAEAA : Agreed all the way, plus let's remeber that it is actualy D/FW -> Dallas, Fort Worth Metroplex - Mckinny quite a hike from the Ft Worth side of town
141 BOStonsox : I thought GYY would work but most people disagree. Chicago has a much larger metropolitan area both in population and size than Tampa/St. Petersburg
142 SKYYBLUE : Why-oh-why do people think B6 would want to go to the slums of Gary, Indiana? Why would B6 serve PIE when they haven't even expanded much out of TPA
143 MKE22 : That I actually see happening before PIE any day! Maybe if B6 wants more service to the Chicago area, it could maybe happen. Right now it doesn't loo
144 KstateinALB : Yea, but I don't see it becoming that major FL city where flights need to be added to many Upstate NY cities.
145 BOStonsox : I wonder if we'll see the Cape Air codeshare expand to other places. They had mentioned looking into doing that. FLL-EYW and some routes out of SJU wo
146 MKE22 : I don't know about codeshare, but I have heard of Cape Air to GYY-IND maybe happening.
147 BOStonsox : I knew that there was a rumor of Cape Air starting that route. I don't think there will be a codeshare on that route until B6 comes to IND, whenever
148 Post contains images MKE22 : Yeah, I didn't think a codeshare would or will happen. That would be interesting to see them go Cape Air GYY-ORD codeshare for B6 connections out of
149 BOStonsox : Sorry if I confused you. Cape Air announced that it was going to start Boston to Plattsburgh and Saranac Lake in a few weeks. They haven't said that
150 Post contains images MKE22 : Gotcha. They really should. And yes, 9K is Cape Air's code.
151 CIDflyer : If a NW/DL merger goes through and CVG gets downsized or closed has a hub in favor for DTW, I think CVG would be a good hub for B6 and could open up
152 MKE22 : Idk about a hub, but I could see LCCs like WN, FL and B6 come in.
153 RampGuy : I'm the one that first posted that I heard on one of the Indianapolis TV stations that Cape Air may open up Gary to Indianapolis. But there have been
154 Ptugarin : I don't think we'll any new code share. RSW - EYW would definitely work, as well as everything out of SJU except PSE, in Cape Air's South Florida and
155 MKE22 : when would that decision be made by?
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