BOStonsox From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1969 posts, RR: 0 Posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 12980 times:
It's a new year and even though they have slowed down their growth, we can be sure that some routes and cities will be added to their route map. BOS-JAX and MCO-CUN were announced (but not formally) and there is ongoing speculation on others, including BOS-MSY. Will they expand out west, in the midwest, or what?
Here are my thoughts:
New cities will be IND, MSP, Dallas (McKinney), GYY
New routes will include BOS-MSY, BOS-HOU, BOS-SRQ, BOS-SMF, MCO-PIT, FLL-PIT, PIT-MCO, RIC-MCO, RDU-MCO, CLT-MCO, and IAD-PIT.
MOBflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1209 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 12904 times:
I wish they could come to Mobile! It's got a similar market area to Richmond, VA; and they have even spoke (albeit briefly, because of the current oil situation, IMO) of significant expansion from there. MOB is not too close to MSY (2.5 hours) and has no service to the NYC area. With MOB right between GPT and PNS, come on... what are they waiting for?
Luvfa From United States of America, joined May 2005, 439 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 12842 times:
With the price of oil going where it is, don't look for new cities out of B6, just alot of connecting the dots. PWM-FLL, BOS-SRQ, SWF-TPA, HPN-TPA, LGA-RSW, LGA-TPA, CLT-MCO etc. If they do add any new cities they will probably be in the Carribean from FLL/MCO. With the cap of flights from JFK, they will probably move as many E190 flights to 320's that demand allows. This will allow them to P2P smaller cities to FLL/MCO/SWF
BOStonsox From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1969 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 12788 times:
Here's why I chose those four cities:
IND has a new terminal. If B6 wanted a midwestern focus city, I think that would be where they would go. Every other major airport in the midwest is a hub for somebody. Cape Air is there too so if they want to they could codeshare on some routes.
MSP is a NW hub sure, but from JFK and BOS I think it has a chance. FL was able to sneak in there, so why not? B6 is doing fine in ORD as well, and I think that the Boston route could use some more service (there are quite a few Minnesotans here). There is some point where an airline is big enough where it could start service from its hub. For example, MSP has AA service to ORD and DFW, so maybe B6 is big enough.
McKinney was mentioned in a recent thread as having talked to B6. If they want to serve the Dallas market, this would probably be the way to do it.
GYY talked to B6 as well.
Actually, I'll throw in two more: ILG and STL. STL was a popular rumor last year and ILG could work to serve PHL/BWI. I wonder how much a battle AA would put up.
Cubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22192 posts, RR: 20
Reply 13, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 12574 times:
Quoting CcrlR (Reply 7): Forget about MSP but Gary? I doubt that.
B6 wouldn't even go to MDW; they demanded ORD (which significantly delayed their entry in to the Chicago market). They wouldn't be interested in GYY. MKE might work, however.
I think B6 ought to look at STL, but the problem is that there is a lot of competition to Florida, and that combined with caps at JFK leaves them with little room to grow. Notwithstanding slot availability, I think JFK, BOS, and LGB could all do well.
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Jetblueguy22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 2583 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 12412 times:
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Quoting JetBlueGuy2006 (Reply 1): Are you kidding about MSP? They would get slaughtered. I mean, I love B6, but MSP is Red Tail country.
Slaughtered! Do you know how much it costs to fly JFK-MSP! I flew on NW and they charged nearly $400 dollars! They would make a killing doing that route. It is true it is Red Tail country and I like that but look at Sun Country they are doing well in MSP. I believe B6 would be able to too.
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JBLUA320 From United States of America, joined May 2002, 3174 posts, RR: 19
Reply 18, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 12388 times:
I'd like to see some more expansion from RDU, though that would be difficult with just one gate at RDU, as it's going to be getting used quite a bit with the addition of the Florida flight. Wishful thinking...
JetBlueGuy2006 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1628 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 12351 times:
Quoting Jetblueguy22 (Reply 16): Slaughtered! Do you know how much it costs to fly JFK-MSP! I flew on NW and they charged nearly $400 dollars! They would make a killing doing that route
Northwest does not take kindly to people invading their space, especially MSP. Just because it is expensive now, that doesn't mean if they came in it would make it any better. NW would match fares and probably have a better flight schedule to keep their loyal flyers which is something B6 doesn't have.
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DL777LAX From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 521 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 12295 times:
I see alot of dots being connected.
I know that this entire list will not be commenced in its entirety, but these routes seem like they're plausible and fit the B6 model.
ORD (seems like an obvious gap in there system),
SYR,ROC (I remember some rumors about B6 doing upstate-BOS flights, they started BUF somewhat recently, so...), SRQ, JAX (JAX had shown up on the route map, and Florida is B6's bread and butter),
MSY (again, already rumored, plus with a 300 seat increase on JFK-MSY-JFK, who knows?
HOU (seems like an obvious route to connect)
SLC (seems like a route they could make a killing on with just DL in the market)
SDQ (They have service to STI from BOS, would compliment the service)
TOTAL 8 New Routes
SYR, ROC, PWM, SDQ (Cities with MCO service, but not FLL service, and have a market for FLL)
PIT (Once again, rumored)
ORD (once again, seems like an obvious gap in the system)
MSY (seems like an obvious route for B6)
AUS (Successful market for Blue)
HOU (Seems like another obvious route for Blue)
SJU (Blue has better service than AA and NK, and market through flights from MSY, AUS, HOU and ORD to SJU)
SAN (Would have SAN-South Florida to themselves)
TOTAL 11 New Routes
RIC, RDU, CLT, OAK (Cities to recieve /have FLL service, would compliment those services)
PIT, ORD, MSY, AUS, HOU (See FLL)
LGB (A better choice than BUR, and a longer runway so less fuel stops)
CUN (Had shown up on the route map at same time with JAX-BOS)
TOTAL 11 New Routes
SEA, PDX, SMF, OAK, SJC, ONT, LAS, PHX, TUC (B6 is rumored to ramp up the flying in the west, and SLC seems like it has the most potential for a jetBlue focus city, so they'd have a nice sized intra-western hub)
MSY, HOU, AUS (Has no WN competition, DL doesn't even fly into HOU)
ORD, BOS, IAD, MCO, FLL (Would compliment the intra-western hub)
TOTAL 16 New Routes
IAD seems like it has huge potential to be a reliever hub from JFK. BOS is just too north for most to be a convient hub.
therefore, I see that the entire system west of the Missisippi(with the exception of RIC HPN, SWF, LGA and EWR) being connected to IAD. I also see, once again, HOU, MSY, and AUS being connected, and maybe a route or two out west. edit: DH had some pretty profitable routes too that they could replicate, so... who knows?
TOTAL Somewhere in the range of 20-25 New Routes
GRAND TOTAL: In the range of the 70s
Now, I know that this isn't going to happen all in this year. I'd be damned if more than 15-20 routes were announced this year, but this seems like what B6's future growth plan is shaping up to be. Blue has been reported to be cutting back in terms of the amount of stations they are looking to open. This growth plan will probably be accomplished in somewhere between 3-5 years from now.
If they do open up any new stations:
I'd be expecting that they'd open up something in Canada (possibly YYZ, YOW or YUL),
something in the North East (possibly a couple of the following (MHT, PVD, ALB, PHL, BWI),
Possible ATL (they are in better shape now to compete with DL than when they first made a go of ATL),
Something in the midwest (One or two of these: CLE, CVG, DTW, MKE, MSP, IND)
STL (you'll get your service)
Maybe something in the carribean too, maybe a resort city in Mexico.
All I can say is this, 2008 will be an interesting year. I know that this is an unpredictable industry. jetBlue is one of those airlines though that has said they'll do something one way, and turn around and do it differently. Whether or nor they choose to continue the current pattern of growth (Carribean from JFK, connecting N.E. Stations to Florida, building up SLC-Western destinations), or decides to pursue a different strategy (Build up of IAD?), I don't have the answers. I can speculate, but as an arm-chair CEO, I have the same information that everyone else in the public has, which isn't much. Only management really knows where the airline is going.
Sorry for the length of this post.
[Edited 2008-01-09 17:33:56]
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ERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6722 posts, RR: 18
Reply 23, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 12283 times:
Quoting JBLUA320 (Reply 18): I'd like to see some more expansion from RDU, though that would be difficult with just one gate at RDU, as it's going to be getting used quite a bit with the addition of the Florida flight. Wishful thinking...
Look for at least 3 gates opening up in about 5 months as Delta departs their 5 gates (2 gates will be closed permanently to make room for an in-line baggage screening system).. I could see B6 grabbing 1 and FL grabbing 1..