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Lion Air To Open Australian And Thai Operations  
User currently offlineAussie_ From Australia, joined Dec 2000, 1766 posts, RR: 5
Posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 6312 times:

With the level of capacity coming into Australia in the next little while, with Tiger and large fleet increases from Virgin and Jetstar (not to mention Qantas), I wonder where the passengers will come from! We only have 21 million people in the whole country!!!

From e-travel blackboard:

Lion Air eyes expansion into Australia and Thailand
Thursday, 10 January 2008

With the help of local carriers, Indonesian-based Lion Air will be expanding its operations into Australia and Thailand by 2014. The venture will create separate Lion Air Australia and Lion Air Thailand businesses.

"A cooperation agreement with an Australian company in which 49 percent of the shares are owned by Lion and 51 percent by the Australian side is now in the making. Lion will base six of its aircraft in Australia," Lion Air President Director Rusdi Kirana told ANTARA News this week.

Meanwhile, Lion Air will base four of its aircraft in Thailand for its Lion Air Thailand business.

According to the President Director, the carrier was drawn towards expanding into Australia and Thailand because it was relatively easier for foreign investors to obtain permits in these markets. Rusdi added that the expansion plan would prove that Indonesian airlines were also capable of operating internationally.

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User currently offlineRyanair!!! From Australia, joined Mar 2002, 4742 posts, RR: 26
Reply 1, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 6272 times:



Quoting Aussie_ (Thread starter):
I wonder where the passengers will come from! We only have 21 million people in the whole country!!!

There will be tourists like me. The same argument can be applied to Singapore with an island nation of only 4.6 million people, how can SIA survive?

Quoting Aussie_ (Thread starter):
Rusdi added that the expansion plan would prove that Indonesian airlines were also capable of operating internationally.

I am sure CASA will be no less stringent when auditing LION. Therefore, the airline will be as safe as can be before any aircraft would appear in Lion colours on Aussie soil.



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User currently offlineMandala499 From Indonesia, joined Aug 2001, 6761 posts, RR: 76
Reply 2, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 6242 times:



Quoting Ryanair!!! (Reply 1):
I am sure CASA will be no less stringent when auditing LION. Therefore, the airline will be as safe as can be before any aircraft would appear in Lion colours on Aussie soil.

Airlines from Indonesia can mount international operations, no doubt. However, Mr. Rusdi (and almost everyone else in Indonesia) seems to miss the point that with all the EU ban and FAA Category II imposed on Indonesian airlines, the EU and FAA aren't questioning the airlines but the Indonesia regulatory agency instead.

I foresee someone will create a circus in Indonesia screaming, "Lion can operate in Australia, so why can't the Eu ban be lifted"...

Anyways, Since there aren't enough parking spots in Indonesia for 122 739ERs, at least we now know that Lion plans to park them in Australia and Thailand at night, and do some revenue flights during the day! LOL...

Mandala499



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User currently offlinePilotdude09 From Australia, joined May 2005, 1777 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 6213 times:

So basically it would only be Tiger, Jetstar and Lion Air going head to head as they are the low cost carriers, but it wil be the best service that wins out overall.

Qantas and Virgin Blue appeal to premium travellers and business travellers as both have lounges, ff programs etc etc.

But i would never fly Lion Air, i dont care how safe they say they are, the maintanance will still most likely be done in Indonesia and they have had a number of incidents mainly due to cost cutting etc.

Also the traffic numbers cant be that high between Aus and Indonesia, sure Bali is a big destination but i cant see many people wanting to go to Jarkata or others for a holiday!

But really cant see them starting up here, Tiger even had trouble getting an AOC in the early stages so how the hell would an unsafe airline that isnt allowed in the EU etc be allowed to fly in Australia.

Besides we dont need another forgien owned airline operating domestically, we have Tiger and that should be it. Sure we need competition but, there are plenty of airlines in Australia that could expand domestically, id rather see Air NZ go domestic in Australia-not that thats ever going to happen!



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User currently offlineAlangirvan From New Zealand, joined Nov 2000, 2106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 6195 times:

If it 51% owned by Australians, it will not be an Indonesian airline. It will be an Australian airline, with planes on the VH register, and staff employed on Australian conditions. Everything about this airline will have to be approved by CASA.

So, Lion's task will be to find Australian organisations who will back a share of this airline.

Lion could start operations from Bali to Australian ports - the 7377-900ER is a very capable aircraft, and it has the range to fly to some South East Australian cities. I think Air Paradise International used a 738 to fly to Adelaide from Bali.


User currently offlineRyanair!!! From Australia, joined Mar 2002, 4742 posts, RR: 26
Reply 5, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 6172 times:

Pilotdude... I think you might need to look at things from a macro-perspective.

Quoting Pilotdude09 (Reply 3):
But i would never fly Lion Air, i dont care how safe they say they are, the maintanance will still most likely be done in Indonesia and they have had a number of incidents mainly due to cost cutting etc.

As mentioned, CASA will be as stringent on LION as they would on other carriers. Even if the maintenance was done in Indonesia, it would still have to be certified fit for ops in Australia.

Quoting Pilotdude09 (Reply 3):
Also the traffic numbers cant be that high between Aus and Indonesia, sure Bali is a big destination but i cant see many people wanting to go to Jarkata or others for a holiday!

You are forgetting the fact that there are many rich Indonesians who flood your country with cash. So the traffic is not only to Bali. It also flows the other way from places like Medan, Surabaya, Jakarta, Pontianak etc are just some examples of cities wish cash rich dwellers with more than we can ever imagine.

Quoting Pilotdude09 (Reply 3):
But really cant see them starting up here, Tiger even had trouble getting an AOC in the early stages so how the hell would an unsafe airline that isnt allowed in the EU etc be allowed to fly in Australia

Once again, the ban was targetted towards the regulatory body in Indonesia. And I have to emphasise again on CASA's role to award Lion with the AOC.



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User currently offline6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3322 posts, RR: 20
Reply 6, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 6165 times:



Quoting Aussie_ (Thread starter):
"A cooperation agreement with an Australian company in which 49 percent of the shares are owned by Lion and 51 percent by the Australian side is now in the making.



Quoting Alangirvan (Reply 4):
If it 51% owned by Australians, it will not be an Indonesian airline. It will be an Australian airline, with planes on the VH register, and staff employed on Australian conditions. Everything about this airline will have to be approved by CASA.

So, Lion's task will be to find Australian organisations who will back a share of this airline.

The question is, who is this Australian majority owner?
Wasn't the Qantas Group in talks with an Indonesian carrier not that long ago about launching a subsidiary.
Would make perfect sense from an Australian carriers perspective...
Operate with the local costs of an Indonesian carrier in a market that 80% of revenues are Australian dollars.

Quoting Alangirvan (Reply 4):
Lion could start operations from Bali to Australian ports - the 7377-900ER is a very capable aircraft, and it has the range to fly to some South East Australian cities. I think Air Paradise International used a 738 to fly to Adelaide from Bali.

Indeed - it was a wet lease from Transavia.

What's the range of the B739 compared to A321?
Jetstar has also indicated flights to Bali from ADL and east coast, albeit with small payload restriction on westbound sector. Makes a lot of sense.... instead of operating twice weekly A330 from Melbourne (1,188 seats), offer increased frequency at say 4pw and offer 1,700 seats).


User currently offlineJupiter2 From Australia, joined Jan 2001, 883 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 6149 times:



Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 6):
Makes a lot of sense.... instead of operating twice weekly A330 from Melbourne (1,188 seats), offer increased frequency at say 4pw and offer 1,700 seats).

Sorry mate, just couldn't let this one go !!

594 seats on a A330 !!
425 seats on a A321 !!

That really is packing them in !!

RL


User currently offlinePilotdude09 From Australia, joined May 2005, 1777 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 6142 times:



Quoting Alangirvan (Reply 4):
If it 51% owned by Australians, it will not be an Indonesian airline. It will be an Australian airline, with planes on the VH register, and staff employed on Australian conditions. Everything about this airline will have to be approved by CASA.

So, Lion's task will be to find Australian organisations who will back a share of this airline.

Lion could start operations from Bali to Australian ports - the 7377-900ER is a very capable aircraft, and it has the range to fly to some South East Australian cities. I think Air Paradise International used a 738 to fly to Adelaide from Bali.



Quoting Ryanair!!! (Reply 5):

I guess but in the back of my mind its still an Indonesian airline that hasnt got the best safety record. The big thing is its still going to be managed and run by lion air indonesia management.

But as 6thfreedom said the big question is who is the Australian firm...........

Quote:
Indonesia's budget carrier Lion Air will make its international debut by acquiring a 49 percent stake in an Australian firm and putting six brand new Boeing 737-900ERs in the undisclosed subsidiary soon this year.

Lion Air president Rusdi Kirana was quoted in economic daily Bisnis Indonesia's Wednesday edition as saying it was the Australian firm which came to Lion and making a bid, after learning that Lion plans to expand businesses to regional level.

"The Australian firm and Lion have agreed on a merger with Lion controlling a 49 percent stake but entitled the majority rights in the management," Rusdi said, declining to reveal the company's name until the signing of the agreement.

According to the Australian regulation, the share of a foreign company in a local airline is limited to 49 percent, he said.

Lion Air, Rusdi said, initially planned to expand its business networks in Southeast Asian countries like Thailand and Vietnam, but the Australian firm came with immediate offer that Lion could not resist.

Lion has ordered 122 B 737-900ERs for its global ambition and already received seven, with 12 more planes expected to arrive this year.




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User currently offlineAlangirvan From New Zealand, joined Nov 2000, 2106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 6129 times:

* Carries 26 more passengers than the 737-900, up to 215 passengers in a single-class configuration
* Flies about 500 nautical miles farther, up to 3,200 nm (5,925 km)
* Weighs 9,550 pounds (4,340 kgs) less than the A321
* Has lower operating costs than the A321; about 6 percent lower per trip, and 4 percent lower per seat

The above is from Boeing.com. Never mind the claims about the superiority over the A321- the range of 3,200 could cover a lot of cities. 215 seats would be a bit of a squeeze for 6 hours. I think A320s would do ADL-DPS.

The airline that Qantas nearly did the deal with was Adam Air, but they had some hairy moments, I think they crashed a 737-400. Lion Air has crashed an MD-80, I think there has been some link between Lion and the airline that had the accident at Phuket with an MD-80, so I hope Lion Air Thailand will be carefully supervised by the Thai authorities.


I think Lion will still need to appoint an Australian CEO to manage the Australian operation. But, like Tiger, if you are flying around Australia it will be the Australian operation. If you are flying to Bali, it will probably the Indonesian operation. Or it could be the same deal as Ozjet flying to Bali, with the Australian operation flying there on behalf of an Indonesian tour operator.


User currently offlineMandala499 From Indonesia, joined Aug 2001, 6761 posts, RR: 76
Reply 10, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 6097 times:



Quoting Pilotdude09 (Reply 3):
Lion Air going head to head as they are the low cost carriers

Lion Air in Indonesia said they were going to abandon the LCC style ops (leaving the LCC ops with sister Wings). Whether Lion Air Thailand and Lion Air Australia be LCC or not, we don't know yet.

Quoting Pilotdude09 (Reply 3):
But i would never fly Lion Air, i dont care how safe they say they are, the maintanance will still most likely be done in Indonesia and they have had a number of incidents mainly due to cost cutting etc.

In Indonesia, only Garuda is certified to maintain 739ERs, besides they've maintained their aircraft in Garuda and one of the Singaporean MROs. if Lion Air Aussie is still going to maintain their jets in Indo, they still need to get the maintenance approved by CASA (since Lion Air Aussie will have an Aussie AOC).

Quoting Pilotdude09 (Reply 3):
so how the hell would an unsafe airline that isnt allowed in the EU etc be allowed to fly in Australia.

Isn't Garuda currently flying to Australia? Anyways, Lion Air Aussie will not be included in the ban by the EU as it will be operating under the regulatory oversight of CASA. The EU ban applies to carriers under the regulatory oversight of the Indonesia DGAC.

Quoting Pilotdude09 (Reply 3):
Besides we dont need another forgien owned airline operating domestically, we have Tiger and that should be it.

Well, Lion Air Aussie will be 51% Aussie owned... if the local investors aren't with Lion, they'd be with someone else or create their own... Why not disband Jetstar Asia and send Tiger back to Singapore? *grin*

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 6):
Would make perfect sense from an Australian carriers perspective...
Operate with the local costs of an Indonesian carrier in a market that 80% of revenues are Australian dollars.

I doubt it will. The staff will be Australian, and even if they employ Indonesians with working permits in Australia, it'll be on Aussie cost terms. Flight crew? LOL, if U see the Lion flight attendants here, they wouldn't last a day in Australia! The pilots, well Lion is short of crew (F/A and pilots) in Indonesia, so they're not going to Aussie anytime soon.

Labour and operational costs will be on Aussie cost levels, won't be on Indonesian cost levels... it's almost impossible to do that (but mind you, operating costs of airlines here are hideous thanks to various inefficiencies!)

Quoting Pilotdude09 (Reply 8):
The big thing is its still going to be managed and run by lion air indonesia management.

Who cares, it'll still have to comply to Australian commercial laws and aviation safety regulations.

Quoting Alangirvan (Reply 9):
The airline that Qantas nearly did the deal with was Adam Air, but they had some hairy moments, I think they crashed a 737-400.

It was nowhere near a deal. Qantas only had a look into Adam Air, and Adam Air announced they were close to a deal. If you know Indonesian businesses, they'd say anything to make themselves look good even if all the facts say they're lying.

Mandala499



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User currently offlinePlanemanofnz From New Zealand, joined Sep 2005, 1675 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 6044 times:
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Quoting Ryanair!!! (Reply 1):
The same argument can be applied to Singapore with an island nation of only 4.6 million people, how can SIA survive?

Singapore is a CITY of 4.6 million people. It is a major global city. New Zealand has the same population as Singapore, yet it is dispersed all over the place, this is why Singapore sees more traffic than New Zealand.

And of course that little issue of geogrpahical location for transit  Wink


User currently offline6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3322 posts, RR: 20
Reply 12, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 5942 times:



Quoting Jupiter2 (Reply 7):
Sorry mate, just couldn't let this one go !!

594 seats on a A330 !!
425 seats on a A321 !!

That really is packing them in !!

A330 = 297 seats x 4 sectors per week (2pw return) = 1,188 seats per week

A321 = 213seats x 8 sectors per week (4pw return)= 1,704 seats per week

What exactly can't you let go off??


User currently offlineAussie_ From Australia, joined Dec 2000, 1766 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 5817 times:

And here is the detail! Interesting - not low cost at all!!


SkyAirWorld and Lion Air Joint Venture – Lion Air Australia

SkyAirWorld and Lion Air will form a new company, Lion Air Australia, introducing Boeing’s most recently certificated aircraft, the 737-900ER*, into Australia. With first flights expected in late 2008, SkyAirWorld will facilitate Lion Air Australia’s regulatory approval application.

Routes, Fares and Frequencies are under development, but Lion Air Australia will be a good-value carrier including business and premium economy seats.

SkyAirWorld CEO, David Charlton, “We are excited by the opportunity to be Lion Air’s Australian partner. Lion Air is an aviation leader in Asia and was the launch customer for the B737-900ER. SkyAirWorld has demonstrated the skills and capability to introduce technologically advanced aircraft to the Australian marketplace. Lion Air Australia’s route network is yet to be defined but we will be connecting points not currently serviced and creating a fantastic new offering for the travelling public. Lion Air Australia will offer a good value for money product for the holiday and business traveller, including connections between Australia and its most populous neighbour, Indonesia. Lion Air Australia has created great interest since the announcement of its inception by Rusdi Kirana, the CEO of Lion Air yesterday evening.”

The 737-900ER is a short-to-medium range twinjet that increases the capability of the Next-Generation 737 family. It was launched on July 18, 2005, with an order for 30 airplanes from Lion Air. The exterior dimensions of the new 737-900ER are identical to the 737-900. Aerodynamic and structural changes allow the 737-900ER to carry more passengers and fly farther than the 737-900. Entry into service occurred in early 2007.


User currently offlinePilotdude09 From Australia, joined May 2005, 1777 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 5720 times:

So they are going to have Y, Y+ and J

Well that certainly changes my mind if they are going to be a premium carrier. Aslong as they pay Pilots and F/A premium rates i hope they do well.

Will be interesting to see how they go and what ports they service and their product.

Thank god its not another LCC, which i orginally thought was the concept



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User currently offlineRyanair!!! From Australia, joined Mar 2002, 4742 posts, RR: 26
Reply 15, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 5701 times:



Quoting Aussie_ (Reply 13):
SkyAirWorld CEO, David Charlton, “We are excited by the opportunity to be Lion Air’s Australian partner. Lion Air is an aviation leader in Asia

Does he even know what is he talking about?  butthead 



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User currently offlineECONOMICS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 5651 times:



Quoting Pilotdude09 (Reply 3):
So basically it would only be Tiger, Jetstar and Lion Air going head to head as they are the low cost carriers, but it wil be the best service that wins out overall.

don't forget Air Asia X already flying to OOL & looking at AVV & NTL using wide bodies.

Quoting Pilotdude09 (Reply 3):
id rather see Air NZ go domestic in Australia-not that thats ever going to happen!

they're not talking domestic & if only flying Indonesia/Australia they wouldn't need an Australian AOC.

Quoting Alangirvan (Reply 4):
If it 51% owned by Australians, it will not be an Indonesian airline. It will be an Australian airline, with planes on the VH register, and staff employed on Australian conditions

if flying internationally only, surely they could employ low cost crews from anywhere.

Why? We're not talking about an Australian domestic airline.

Quoting Mandala499 (Reply 10):
I doubt it will. The staff will be Australian, and even if they employ Indonesians with working permits in Australia, it'll be on Aussie cost terms. Flight crew? LOL, if U see the Lion flight attendants here, they wouldn't last a day in Australia! The pilots, well Lion is short of crew (F/A and pilots) in Indonesia, so they're not going to Aussie anytime soon.

Labour and operational costs will be on Aussie cost levels, won't be on Indonesian cost levels... it's almost impossible to do that (but mind you, operating costs of airlines here are hideous thanks to various inefficiencies!)



Quoting Pilotdude09 (Reply 14):
Will be interesting to see how they go and what ports they service and their product.

Thank god its not another LCC, which i orginally thought was the concept

BNE/DPS is obvious one & they could even continue onto say NZ, eg. CHC or WLG(or other NZ port-many can take 737's)/BNE/DPS. They could do this without an Australian AOC like Garuda used to fly DPS/BNE/AKL until recently.

Who said not an LCC? (see more below) U can be low cost & have more than 1 class.

from this mornings Australian newspaper ...

Indonesian 737s fly in for air deal Font Size: Decrease Increase Print Page: Print Steve Creedy, Aviation writer | January 11, 2008
BRISBANE-based SkyAirWorld is entering a joint venture with Indonesia's Lion Air that will see six Boeing 737s based in Australia flying to Indonesian and other Southeast Asian destinations.

SkyAirWorld chief executive David Charlton said yesterday the new airline was expected to start later this year and become the first Australian user of the Boeing 737-900ER.

Ownership of the new airline, to be called Lion Air Australia, will be split 51-49 per cent between the Australian and Indonesian carriers.

The Australian carrier, which is expanding its own domestic jet operations, will assist with application for regulatory approvals.

"It's happening and it's very, very advanced in its execution," Mr Charlton said.

The new carrier will sport business, premium economy and economy seats.

Mr Charlton said Indonesia, where Lion Air has hubs in Jakarata and Surabaya, would be a focus of the airline but it would have other Asian destinations.

It was expected to fly from multiple Australian ports. A base has yet to be decided.

Mr Charlton said fares would not be released until later but there would be value for money: "We're aiming to create a product that will appeal to both the business and holiday traveller. So if you're taking a business class fare and business class product, you'll pay market prices.

"But on the flip side if you're after a cheap fare to Jakarta or Bali, we're going to be very competitive for you."

Lion Air in Indonesia has 122 737s on order and Mr Charlton said the Australian carrier could move beyond the original six planes if there was scope to do so. He also did not see Indonesia's chequered safety record as a problem for the new carrier.

All Indonesian carriers are currently banned from landing in the European Union because of concerns about the nation's aviation safety regime.

Lion Air Australia would be Australian-controlled and seek regulatory approval to Civil Aviation Safety Authority standards. He did not see any significant issue in winning the public's confidence.

The Indonesian parent is also planning to launch a subsidiary in Thailand.

According to Indonesia's Antara news agency, the overseas expansion is motivated not just by commercial consideration but also to prove that Indonesian airlines were capable of operating outside the country.

Antara said Australia and Thailand had been chosen because procedures to set up an airline in the countries were relatively easy for a foreign investor.

Centre for Asia Pacific Aviation spokesman Derek Sadubin said an Australian base would be hotly contested by the country's airports. "The travelling public would be the main winners from further downward pressure on fares, if Lion Air is successful in launching operations in both countries," he said.

News of the new airline came as Singapore Airlines announced it would progressively boost its flights to Sydney to four daily from April to become the first foreign carrier to operate 28 weekly services on the route.

"Together with the introduction of the new Airbus A380 super-jumbo on the route, the new service will expand capacity on the route by one third, with 1500 seats a day to be available for sale," it said.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...ory/0,25197,23034806-23349,00.html

So looking to start ops in late 08, with probably low cost indo or Asian crews-wonder if they could get costs anywhere near Air Asia X ?


User currently offlineMandala499 From Indonesia, joined Aug 2001, 6761 posts, RR: 76
Reply 17, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 5616 times:

Now this is looking more interesting...
SkyAirWorld... 1 E170 operating for Solomon Airlines... which is now off, and SkyAirWorld is only doing charters out of WA? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SkyAirWorld

But yes... Lion Air as an aviation leader in Asia? This airline's crew schedule is: "receive an SMS at anytime before 2100 to see if tomorrow you'll have a day off, standby, a single day tour of duty or a 5 day tour of duty" where no SMS means "U're on standby tomorrow"... and with crew's families complaining about this for the past 2 years! If this is what the leader is like, I wanna know what the last place on the "charts" are like... perhaps a reliable monthly or bi-weekly crew schedule? *grin*

Quoting ECONOMICS (Reply 16):
they're not talking domestic & if only flying Indonesia/Australia they wouldn't need an Australian AOC.

if flying internationally only, surely they could employ low cost crews from anywhere.

Why? We're not talking about an Australian domestic airline.

Not from what's been spewed out by Lion here, they've been talking about setting up domestic operations in other countries, and, as the quite quote goes...

Quoting Aussie_ (Reply 13):
Lion Air Australia’s route network is yet to be defined but we will be connecting points not currently serviced and creating a fantastic new offering for the travelling public. Lion Air Australia will offer a good value for money product for the holiday and business traveller, including connections between Australia and its most populous neighbour, Indonesia.

It says, INCLUDING flights between Australia and Indonesia. It does not say it will only provide flights between Australia and Indonesia. If that was the case, they don't need the Aussie AOC, and then the announcement is a pointless one, and Lion Air Australia will not be able to deploy its aircraft within Lion's own domestic network if the aircraft are VH- registered. So, it's back to how the announcement is understood...

Quoting ECONOMICS (Reply 16):
Who said not an LCC? (see more below) U can be low cost & have more than 1 class.

What exactly is a definition of an LCC then?

As to where they're flying between Indonesia and Australia, I guess Surabaya will be relatively high on the cards, Lion is also in the middle of (according to insiders) setting up SUB-HKG...



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User currently offlineECONOMICS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 5506 times:



Quoting Mandala499 (Reply 17):
Not from what's been spewed out by Lion here, they've been talking about setting up domestic operations in other countries, and, as the quite quote goes...

didn't see where it said domestic ops in other countries ... again from Australian ...

BRISBANE-based SkyAirWorld is entering a joint venture with Indonesia's Lion Air that will see six Boeing 737s based in Australia flying to Indonesian and other Southeast Asian destinations.

so take this as meaning Australia to other parts of Asia apart from Indo.

Quoting Mandala499 (Reply 17):
What exactly is a definition of an LCC then?

LOW COthink of ST !!! Doesn't mean Air Asia. DJ think of themselves as low cost but are chasing the business traveller with lounges, extra legroom at front etc.


User currently offlineECONOMICS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 5499 times:

oops typos ...

Quoting ECONOMICS (Reply 18):
Quoting Mandala499 (Reply 17):
What exactly is a definition of an LCC then?

LOW COST !!! Doesn't mean LIKE Air Asia. DJ think of themselves as low cost but are chasing the business traveller with lounges, extra legroom at front etc.



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