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CO Rejects TWU Again  
User currently offlineRampkontroler From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 859 posts, RR: 6
Posted (6 years 7 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2129 times:

CO Field Services employees reject Transport Workers Union

CO today announced that its field service employees rejected representation sought by the Transport Workers Union of America (TWU).

“Once again, we are pleased that our co-workers recognized the value of our direct working relationship,” said Airport Services Sr. VP Bill Meehan. “We'll continue to work together to honor the commitments and promises we've made and maintain our culture of trust and success.”

The TWU filed an election application with the National Mediation Board in October 2007. CO’s field services employees covered by the election included ramp, operations and cargo agents.

[Edited 2008-01-09 17:09:42]

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User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (6 years 7 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2067 times:

And, for the umpteenth time, CO Field Service employees show their common sense, and don't buy the union garbage that somehow they'll magically make more money by signing up with a union.

Well done, fellow employees.

I'd love to see a breakdown of the vote. Probably pretty predictable: EWR overwhemingly says yes; CLE will split about 50/50, and IAH overwhelmingly said "No!"


User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5780 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (6 years 7 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2055 times:

Lucky them.
I am stuck with the most useless union in the world (Even though it's relatively well-known).
In the state I came from, a company could not FORCE you to join a union ("Right-to-Work"). This state, however, has no such law.
The last time our labor contract came up, the union reps came to us and told us "not to expect much." When the company drew up an offer, we were told to "Take it, because it's all you're going to get."

Good for CO for keeping their labor happy enough that they don't feel like they NEED expensive representation.


User currently offlineAirPortugal310 From Palau, joined Apr 2004, 3626 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (6 years 7 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2038 times:



Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 1):
I'd love to see a breakdown of the vote. Probably pretty predictable: EWR overwhemingly says yes; CLE will split about 50/50, and IAH overwhelmingly said "No!"

Interesting Falcon...

thanks for that. i have learned something tonight about where certain cities lay their allegiances



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21516 posts, RR: 60
Reply 4, posted (6 years 7 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2031 times:

How many times can the TWU keep trying this? Is there a limit to X times in a 5 year period or something? Seems like eventually they would be seen as attempting to coerce/harass employees who obviously don't want them.


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User currently offlineWj From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 345 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1838 times:

Unfortunatly the TWU bozos won't learn and likely try again next year. I keep hearing about it year after year and amazed that they do not get discouraged by their failures. It must be costing them fortune in paying for reps who harrass employees at homes and on the phone, letters, brochures and other garbage, you would think they get the message. Still, congrats to the CO employees who understand that the only job protection you can get in the airline industry is a strong company behind you and a long seniority list under you.


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User currently onlineMasseyBrown From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 5423 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1815 times:



Quoting Wj (Reply 5):
I keep hearing about it year after year and amazed that they do not get discouraged by their failures.

They are discouraged by their failures, which is why the AFL-CIO (the US's biggest union federation) is spending record sums on recruiting this year.

I bet Falcon84 is right about the vote split. If you look around in CLE, the growth is chiefly in non-union jobs; some have figured this out and some haven't.



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User currently offlineNWAESC From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 3386 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1756 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 4):
How many times can the TWU keep trying this? Is there a limit to X times in a 5 year period or something? Seems like eventually they would be seen as attempting to coerce/harass employees who obviously don't want them.

I think they have to wait 1 year before attempting to organize again.

The better question is: why do they see fit to waste their current members' dues on campaigns like this? They already failed at CO at least once; why continue to do it?

To any CO people reading this: Good choice on rejecting the TWU! If/when the IAM comes calling, make sure to do the same.

Going union is a good choice, IMO, but not with these two outfits.



"Nothing ever happens here, " I said. "I just wait."
User currently offlineTsnamm From United States of America, joined May 2005, 628 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 1657 times:



Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 1):
I'd love to see a breakdown of the vote. Probably pretty predictable: EWR overwhemingly says yes; CLE will split about 50/50, and IAH overwhelmingly said "No!"

Actually thats wrong...the information I got from the union is that all 3 hubs have consistently voted for the union...the outer stations have always voted no...the difference this time was a little over 300 votes which is very close. This is why the TWU keeps trying...its a very narrow margin. I have heard the next time they want Cargo out of the vote and only Ramp to vote on representation.


User currently offlineFLYB6JETS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 1602 times:

Thank goodness. Hopefully The Worthless Union will give up. Glad my co workers showed some common sense.

User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1476 times:



Quoting Tsnamm (Reply 8):
Actually thats wrong...the information I got from the union is that all 3 hubs have consistently voted for the union...the outer stations have always voted no...

I don't buy that. The overwhelming majority of workers ARE in the 3 hubs. Thousands upon thousands of them. The outstations don't have the overall clout to affect the outcome. IAH certainly isn't a big union town. CLE is, but not to the extent it once was. Both IAH and CLE have very good reps for cost of living, and there's no real need for union representation in those cities. EWR is the most contentious of the three hubs in every manner of speaking, and they'll go heavy for the union.

I just can't buy that premise.


User currently offlineJayDub From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1453 times:



Quoting Wj (Reply 5):
Still, congrats to the CO employees who understand that the only job protection you can get in the airline industry is a strong company behind you and a long seniority list under you.

Well stated!


User currently offlineTsnamm From United States of America, joined May 2005, 628 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1427 times:



Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 10):
I don't buy that. The overwhelming majority of workers ARE in the 3 hubs. Thousands upon thousands of them. The outstations don't have the overall clout to affect the outcome. IAH certainly isn't a big union town. CLE is, but not to the extent it once was. Both IAH and CLE have very good reps for cost of living, and there's no real need for union representation in those cities. EWR is the most contentious of the three hubs in every manner of speaking, and they'll go heavy for the union.

I just can't buy that premise.

While that is true they(the hubs) have been pro union by a slim margin; but if they were the only ones voting we would be union...the out stations are large majority anti-union...so in fact the out stations have ALL the clout in keeping us non union...as the difference between the pro and non union sentiment in the hubs is close...thats why in this past election the TWU spent a lot of time at all the larger outstaions to make up the 300 vote difference...but once again it didn't happen.


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21516 posts, RR: 60
Reply 13, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1398 times:



Quoting NWAESC (Reply 7):
The better question is: why do they see fit to waste their current members' dues on campaigns like this? They already failed at CO at least once; why continue to do it?

More money. They want dues and to control any and all health/pension/disability funds (and CO hasn't dumped theirs...) because all that leads to more money. Many union leaders are just as greedy as many corporate CEOs. Nobody should fool themselves into thinking otherwise.



Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
User currently offlineCLE757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 1134 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 1228 times:

I hope you are this happy when Continental decides to merge with another airline and we have No say in anything!..


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User currently offlineRampkontroler From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 859 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 1205 times:



Quoting CLE757 (Reply 14):
I hope you are this happy when Continental decides to merge with another airline and we have No say in anything!..

Tell that to all the unioned TWA employees...boy, were they ever protected.


User currently offlineCLE757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 1134 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 1187 times:



Quoting Rampkontroler (Reply 15):
Tell that to all the unioned TWA employees...boy, were they ever protected.

TWA was in bankrupcy, a judge threw out all the union contracts.



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User currently offlineRampkontroler From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 859 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1173 times:

Okay...bad example...mea culpa. But I still don't see where it would have helped us if we got one. If a merger should come some day, we'll see what happens. Perhaps I'll lose a job that I love, or you'll get to keep a job you hate...so who wins?

Either way, I'm done with this.


User currently offlineCLE757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 1134 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1158 times:



Quoting Rampkontroler (Reply 17):
Perhaps I'll lose a job that I love, or you'll get to keep a job you hate...so who wins?

I hate my job?, no but I'd rather be in a union during a merger. Ask any mechanic,pilot or flight attendant if they rather be in a union or not during merger.



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User currently offlineNWAESC From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 3386 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1084 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 13):
More money. They want dues and to control any and all health/pension/disability funds (and CO hasn't dumped theirs...) because all that leads to more money. Many union leaders are just as greedy as many corporate CEOs. Nobody should fool themselves into thinking otherwise.

I know.

My post was some rhetorical ranting that got lost in the translation...



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