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AirTran To Suspend LAS-BMI/MLI/CAK/DAY  
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32781 posts, RR: 72
Posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 7195 times:

This should come as absolutely no surprise. AirTran is "suspending" service from Las Vegas to Akron/Canton, Bloomington, Dayton, and Moline.

Bloomington will be suspended betwen April 9 and August 18, and AirTran cites high fuel prices:
http://www.pantagraph.com/articles/2...oney/doc4786a232c6fe9632208303.txt

I can only assume that Akron/Canton, Dayton, and Moline are being suspended for similar reasons and during a similar timeframe. I'd also hazard to guess that unless fuel prices take a pretty drop, the flights won't resume at all.

Flint, Indianapolis, Milwaukee, and Rochester flights survive, for now at least.

Las Vegas has lost roughly a dozen non-stop destinations this year to smaller markets in the Midwest and on the East Coast, in every situation fuel costs being cited as a primary reason. IMO, the trend will continue as fuel prices rise. I believe that P2P trans-cons and P2P RJ routes are going to be the first victims of rising fuel prices.


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User currently offlineIowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4401 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 7176 times:
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Wow. Not too surprising though, with high fuel prices.


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User currently offlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6570 posts, RR: 50
Reply 2, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 7041 times:

This is interesting. AirTran suspending routes? Who would have thought THAT would happen?

User currently offlineUnited_Fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7496 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 6977 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
Rochester flights survive, for now at least.

From what I've heard,these do well,at least load-wise. If WN can do BUF-LAS 2x daily , ROC can certainly handle less than a daily flight.



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User currently offlineCMHSRQ From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 991 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6931 times:



Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 2):
This is interesting. AirTran suspending routes? Who would have thought THAT would happen?

Every airline is cutting long haul domestic, lower performing routes. Its a cut throat industry and gas is expensive. You need to put airplanes where they will make money.



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User currently offlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6570 posts, RR: 50
Reply 5, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6917 times:



Quoting CMHSRQ (Reply 4):
Every airline is cutting long haul domestic, lower performing routes. Its a cut throat industry and gas is expensive. You need to put airplanes where they will make money

I hope you know I realize that. I was just commenting on the fact that FL is no stranger to cutting routes. It's almost like a game at this point. Which one will go next?


User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7591 posts, RR: 27
Reply 6, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 6787 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
Flint, Indianapolis, Milwaukee, and Rochester flights survive, for now at least.

I'm surprised that FNT & ROC are still surviving. I wouldn't be surprised if those two are on death-watch.

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 5):
I was just commenting on the fact that FL is no stranger to cutting routes. It's almost like a game at this point. Which one will go next?

So true, so true. The bar is set very low for them yanking flights, under the false sense of "seasonal suspension"

The one that takes the cake for me was DTW-BWI. They announced that one and a few weeks later big 'ole WN announces they were going to start up service as well. FL lasted less than 2 months on that route before they dropped it.


User currently offlineB757capt From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1379 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 6747 times:

Good news for G4!




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User currently offlineQuickmover From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2494 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 6687 times:



Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 6):
So true, so true. The bar is set very low for them yanking flights, under the false sense of "seasonal suspension"

Huh?
They had these flights last year (seasonally) as well. Nothing false about it. They'll be back.


User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4562 posts, RR: 18
Reply 9, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 6665 times:



Quoting Quickmover (Reply 8):
They had these flights last year (seasonally) as well. Nothing false about it. They'll be back.

I might be misinterpreting what he is saying but my take on it is that FL plays the seasonal game on non seasonal routes. I know they do that out of IND. They run LAX as seasonal and it isn't a seasonal destination.

My opinion on it is that FL is trying to play games by adding routes that they don't have the equipment to support. It is as if they like to see the name "AirTran" in the news connected with adding new service. They add a route for which equipment isn't available so they have to look at a city pair where they can play "seasonal" so they can move equipment around to support this new route which may be dropped in a few months anyway or will become "seasonal" because they need the equipment on another route they started somewhere else.

Very schizophrenic route planning.



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User currently onlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22995 posts, RR: 20
Reply 10, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 6550 times:

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 6):
I'm surprised that FNT & ROC are still surviving. I wouldn't be surprised if those two are on death-watch.

Me either, though they might be keeping FNT around simply to try to stick it to NW. (Obviously, there's no similar justification for ROC.)

[Edited 2008-01-11 07:35:04]


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User currently offlineAirTranTUS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 6442 times:

Again? I bet no one saw that coming.  Yeah sure If they charged more these routes may not be leaving.

User currently offlineRumorboy From United States of America, joined Aug 2002, 356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 6344 times:



Quoting AirTranTUS (Reply 11):
If they charged more these routes may not be leaving.

WOW. You figuerd this out all by ourself? Gee you should be CEO!  Yeah sure


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32781 posts, RR: 72
Reply 13, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 6326 times:



Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 5):

I hope you know I realize that. I was just commenting on the fact that FL is no stranger to cutting routes. It's almost like a game at this point. Which one will go next?

Very true. When AirTran launches a new route that doesn't involve Atlanta, the question isn't "How well will it do?", but, "How long will it last?"

Quoting Quickmover (Reply 8):
They had these flights last year (seasonally) as well. Nothing false about it. They'll be back.

No, they did not. These were new routes launched late last year as year-round flights. MLI/CAK/FNT-LAS were flown a few years ago, and discontinued (the original try at MLI-LAS was discontinued before the first flight launched). For those three, this was a resumption of those routes.



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User currently offlineTravatl From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2173 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 6198 times:

Who CARES? AirTran may be known for adding and dropping or "seasonally" operating routes outside of ATL, but they do it with a profit. It's one of the few airlines that doesn't believe in offering a product below cost, just to maintain "market share" or "market exposure". If you sell mostly blue shirts, and you try red shirts, and they don't sell, or only sell well in the winter, then you don't sell them any more, or only when you can do so profitably.

Schizophrenic is the rest of the industry that flails about attemtpting to capture $.02 from the other guys. AirTran will try any route, anywhere that they think they may make money for their shareholders in that quarter. If it doesn't, then it gets dropped, maybe to return later, maybe not.


User currently onlineTVNWZ From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 2388 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 6198 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 13):
(the original try at MLI-LAS was discontinued before the first flight launched).

Now, THAT is seasonal!  Smile


User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4562 posts, RR: 18
Reply 16, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 6158 times:



Quoting Travatl (Reply 14):
Who CARES?

Who cares? When I book a flight for a 6pm departure (nonstop) in May I expect it to still be 6pm and as schedule. The way FL changes their routes and schedules around my 6pm may be a 8pm and no longer nonstop. I want consistency and reliability in my airline's schedule. As a customer I expect my flight to be provisioned as booked.



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User currently offlineMOBflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1209 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 6135 times:

CAK is the real surpriser to me... they can't decide if they want to make it a focus or not.

User currently offlineMKE22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1141 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 6135 times:

Does anybody think this affects FL's growth plan? Especially out of MKE?


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User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4562 posts, RR: 18
Reply 19, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 6101 times:



Quoting MKE22 (Reply 18):
Does anybody think this affects FL's growth plan? Especially out of MKE?

I don't think even God knows what FL is doing. The only thing that is certain is that those routes may or may not come back  Smile



Indy = Indianapolis and not Independence Air
User currently offlineSAN787 From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 616 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 6080 times:

FL needs to jump on the IND-SAN route as mentioned in another thread...


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User currently offlineKcrwFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3817 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 6081 times:



Quoting B757capt (Reply 7):
Good news for G4!

why? Theyre suspending their longer flights from LAS too.


User currently offlineMKE22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1141 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 6073 times:



Quoting Indy (Reply 19):
I don't think even God knows what FL is doing. The only thing that is certain is that those routes may or may not come back

I think u might be right.  checkmark 



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User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 6052 times:



Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 6):
So true, so true. The bar is set very low for them yanking flights, under the false sense of "seasonal suspension"

IIRC, the DFW-LAS flight was also a "seasonal suspension" last year and hasn't returned.

One thing folks need to remember is that Las Vegas is a low yield destination for pretty much every US airline. It's among the most popular destinations for frequent fliers to use their miles/credits/etc. for free tickets or upgrades. The summertime is a bit of a slow period in Vegas anyway, as evidenced by the dirt cheap room offers I get (If it wasn't so hot out there, I'd take up the $25/night room offers on the Strip.).


User currently offlineAcey559 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1532 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 5746 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 13):
(the original try at MLI-LAS was discontinued before the first flight launched)

Actually, the route did run all summer and was discontinued in September. The flight had high load factors, from what I was told, but was pulled for whatever reason. Looks like it's deja vu all over again. I'm sure Bruce Carter and the rest of the airport staff won't be too happy about this.

[Edited 2008-01-11 19:04:03]

25 Iowaman : IIRC this was discontinued either around or shortly after G4 announced/started CID-LAS.
26 B757capt : Last time I checked any competition that leaves is good?
27 MAH4546 : The route did run for a brief period, but AirTran still announced it would be discontinued before the inagural service.
28 SANFan : I'm very curious to see what the infamous AirTran does in SAN this year. So far the schedules seem to indicate things pretty much the same as their i
29 Travatl : Well, I'm afraid at $100 a barrel oil, you are going to be in for a lifetime of disappointments - especially if you are booking flights 6 months out.
30 Indy : Well I see this problem with FL out of IND and not NW. As long as the current planners at FL remain I expect more of the same from them in the future
31 Rumorboy : One of the reasons why NWA went bankrupt. More concerned about market share than about profitabilty.
32 Apodino : You must not like any airline then. Given daily delays in New York, and in the northeast, the term scheduled airline is an oxymoron, because very few
33 Indy : There is a difference between your flight being late due to weather and your flight getting changed because it was no longer convenient for the airlin
34 Post contains images 7E72004 : How are the other airtran flights doing at MLI? THe last time i was at MLI was on January 7, 1987 when i was flying TWA back to PHL via STL
35 Post contains images Acey559 : I see what you meant now, I thought you meant that the flight never started. You're right, they did announce the end before the inaugural took place.
36 Breaker1011 : Fuel aside, I think plain old load factors probably have some bearing here. I've been to LAS dozens of times. But not until this last trip did I wonde
37 Post contains images Citrus737ROC : Good day to all! My name is Brian and as you can see, I am new to the discussion forums. I am also an AirTran Airways Employee at the ROC station. As
38 United_Fan : Citrus737ROC,how is ROC-TPA doing? I heard it may be cut...
39 TVNWZ : Welcome to ANet! I hope you do not get into trouble with your forward looking statements. Great info.
40 7E72004 : It was much different back then. I was through MLI twice--once on Ozark in July-Sept. 1985 and in Dec of 1986.
41 Post contains images Citrus737ROC : Oh no, I won't be getting into any trouble @ work, they know me all too well FL was flirting with the idea of suspending ROC-TPA since the start of la
42 Travatl : NW? NW is just as reactionary as any carrier these days. Take a gander at MKE. There's a reason McDonald's doesn't always sell the McRib.
43 Warszawa : I'm not surprised FNT isnt on the chopping block for this sector. I suppose it'' be on 'Death Watch', as is likely ROC. I've flown FNT-LAS nonstop, ro
44 DAYflyer : I am really surprised at them cutting DAY. It was full all the time. More data: 9. (DAY) - MC CARRAN INTL (LAS) 161.33 $186.37 $0.11 $30,067.55 Perhap
45 Knope2001 : Here's load factor for AirTran's flights to/from LAS for October 07 (the most recent available) plus the number of passengers that translates to per f
46 Indy : I know its probably too early but I wonder how the IND-LAS route is doing?
47 Indy : If McDonalds were to use the FL game plan you'd be able to get a McRib today and it would be advertised as available tomorrow but when you get there
48 Travatl : Well, I guess it's best that you're not flying on FL anymore then. Best of luck with NW.
49 Acey559 : I was reading the one of the local papers here in the Quad Cities, and they talked about FL suspending only one of the four weekly LAS flights, but th
50 Indy : It honestly amazes me at the bad attitudes people have towards customers in this industry. Maybe it is because my customer service training was old sc
51 Vulindlela744 : I'm a flight attendant at Airtran. Just last week I worked the flight from Las Vagas to Moline with 24 people. We just cannot justify flying people wi
52 Indy : Wow. Is that uncommon for that route or does that happen too frequently?
53 Travatl : Honestly, you'd be hard pressed to find an individual who is kinder, more professional, or gives better customer service than me. However, one can on
54 Indy : I'm stating FL has a problem with their scheduling that needs to be corrected. I get the "oh well" type response. I'm not blaming you. It isn't your
55 Cubsrule : FL does not have an aircraft shortage. They are seemingly incapable of determining the schedule they will be flying more than two weeks in advance. I
56 Travatl : Actually, it's great for us. When they have "marketing changes" resulting in cancellations/no-ops, we get time off and pay protection (thank you, uni
57 Travatl : And like I said, enjoy! I hope you and NW have a long and happy union together. PLEASE, send us cards and let us know about your progress. We'll just
58 Jetdeltamsy : Agreed. AitTran is just a likely to pull back from a money losing route as any other, well run, highly successful airline.
59 Indy : As long as NW doesn't merge with DL I will continue to have a long and happy relationship with them. I will continue to take advantage of their relia
60 Travatl : GOSH!!! Please include me when the invites go out, and don't forget to let me know where you're registered.
61 MKE22 : WOW. No offense to your employer guys, but what is with their schedules? Is it that they are really carefull in how they plan them, or they just don'
62 Indy : Here are some of the latest changes. A few months back (or so) FLL out of IND was listed as going 2x daily for a period of time. Shortly after it was
63 Indy : IND-MSY was Saturday only service starting Feb 16th. Tickets are available for flights starting Feb 2nd. BUT the route ends April 5th. WTF is the deal
64 CIDflyer : WOW. I am surprised the loads have been that light. Looks like G4 won the battle in this area again (G4 at CID vs. FL at MLI)
65 MKE22 : Indeed. I have flown FL 4 times out of MKE the past like 3 years, and 3 of those flight's times were changed (just for example, but I completely unde
66 Iowaman : Definitely. Laughlin and Reno are known as the cheap places now. Las Vegas is growing more into an area for the high class, such as the folks from Ca
67 CIDflyer : Thanks for clarifying Iowaman. I thought the flights were doing fairly well when they first started. Makes more sense. I wonder what the loads are fo
68 Iowaman : I believe they were, load wise. It's another victim of high fuel prices and low yields. If I had to guess, it's doing fairly well. They are at 4x wee
69 BA744PHX : Has anyone heard how MKE-PHX is doing? Also I assume after being in PHX for just a year loads must be doing well to have added another frequency on A
70 Iowaman : BWI-PHX is 4x daily non-stop on WN, so don't look for that. MCO-PHX is gas guzzling transcon, and again WN is on this route, albeit 1x daily. IND-PHX
71 G4resagent : More and more people come to Vegas to shop. It is amazing how many people fly out with more bags then they came in with.
72 MKE22 : Gambling might be a tiny part of that too.
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