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SAN-IND...Coming Soon?  
User currently offlineSAN787 From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 616 posts, RR: 1
Posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2006 times:

With Northwest taking over IND, does anyone have insight on if/when they may introduce service between San Diego and Indianapolis?

Odds any better of Southwest or AirTran beating them to it?


those who don't get carried away should be.
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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32191 posts, RR: 72
Reply 1, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2001 times:

I don't have any "inside" info, but doubt it's coming soon at all, on any airline, with today's fuel prices.

Long P2P routes are going to suffer in 2008. We've already seen this trend (DL at LAX, FL/G4 at LAS).

[Edited 2008-01-10 23:11:16]


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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5229 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 1980 times:



Quoting SAN787 (Thread starter):
With Northwest taking over IND, does anyone have insight on if/when they may introduce service between San Diego and Indianapolis?

I don't ever count on anything happening on the positive side at SAN from NW, '787; look at how long we've been waiting for NW to get SAN-MEM going, and that is at least a "real" hub.

I would think the odds of seeing FL flying IND-SAN n/s are better than WN doing it (any time soon.) (I'm actually very anxious to see what FL does in SAN this year.)

bb


User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4522 posts, RR: 18
Reply 3, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 1965 times:

I'd think FL would add it before NW. Simply because NW hasn't launched many original routes of late. Outside of ATL I think FL has their best west coast presence from IND.


Indy = Indianapolis and not Independence Air
User currently offlineEMB170 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 644 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 1879 times:

I agree about the P2P routes...but if NW thinks the market demands it, I actually put money on NW...if the A319 is too much plane, might it be a good candidate for a Compass E75?

Besides, if MEM should "happen to close" as a hub sometime in the near future, those E75's will need a new home somewhere...  stirthepot 

[Edited 2008-01-11 06:22:46]


Can passenger jets fly as fast as my feet do? Let's find out...
User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4522 posts, RR: 18
Reply 5, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 1856 times:

It wouldn't surprise me to see FL start seasonal service to SAN to target cruise traffic. According to faremeasure.com 282 people fly IND-SAN daily. That is also the highest demand route out of IND with no nonstop service. FL or any other airline should be able to do quite well during high fare season. I'd start the route for the beginning of high fare season and keep it as a year round to see how having the nonstop route stimulates new demand to SAN. If it looks like new demand isn't being stirred up then I would just change it to a seasonal route. SAN should be solid year round but certainly profitable during higher fare months.


Indy = Indianapolis and not Independence Air
User currently offlineCoronado990 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1593 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1779 times:



Quoting Indy (Reply 5):
It wouldn't surprise me to see FL start seasonal service to SAN to target cruise traffic.

Most cruises depart San Diego during the winter although the summer months are starting to pick up. However, summer is peak tourist season here so San Diego is really a year round destination.

The only airline that makes sense non-stop would be WN. With a stop in IND, they can get away with a one-stop thru flight to an east coast anchor city such as PHL or BWI similar to what they do with BNA. If I recall, BNA has less O&D from SAN then IND does and they support two non-stops from SAN. The problem with FL is that they really lack gate space here at SAN and NW seems to only play follow the leader. Then again, WN did drop the LAX-IND non-stop a while back so they may not be too keen on IND right now anyway. When gates expand at both SAN and IND in the next few years, you may finally see this route.



Uncle SAN at your service!
User currently offlineRampGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1745 times:

Ok people, I would never say never. For those of you who want to see a n/s flight between SAN-IND, you will get your chance today. DL 9820 is enroute and estimated to arrive SAN from ATL at 1128, Pacific time. STD is 1330 to IND. STA in IND is 2040 Eastern time. Look for Ship 135 somewhere on the ramp. That will be your bird. If you can guess what the flight is, you win the prize in the Cracker Jack box. lol

User currently offlineAS777 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 145 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1718 times:



Quoting RampGuy (Reply 7):
Look for Ship 135 somewhere on the ramp. That will be your bird. If you can guess what the flight is, you win the prize in the Cracker Jack box. lol

Ooooooo.....Oooooo...Ooooooooo

Pick Me!!! Pick Me!!!!!!

I know the answer to that one!

I lived in IND for a few years....HUGE Colt's fan!

Would it be the "soon-to-be losers" Chargers team???

 duck 


User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5229 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1702 times:



Quoting AS777 (Reply 8):
Would it be the "soon-to-be losers" Chargers team???

No, actually that would be the Bowl-Bound Bolt's plane! (Sorry Colts, you've been there, done that -- not this year.)

Back to the topic, IND is a targeted city for n/s service by the SDIA folks and I still say FL is the most likely to get to it -- when, who knows?

bb


User currently offlineSAN787 From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 616 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1671 times:

Indeed it is the Chargers headed off to Indy for a whoopin. In fact, I am off to snap a few photos of it. I was hoping the Chargers were going to upgrade to a 777 for this one...is 135 in the new new colors?


those who don't get carried away should be.
User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4522 posts, RR: 18
Reply 11, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1661 times:



Quoting SANFan (Reply 9):
IND is a targeted city for n/s service by the SDIA folks and I still say FL is the most likely to get to it

With flights to ATL and MCO only I'd think there is time available at the FL gate in SAN to support additional flights to somewhere. If the info is right they will be running 3 or 4 flights a day from their gate in SAN this summer. Should be plenty of room to add flights unless it is a shared gate.



Indy = Indianapolis and not Independence Air
User currently offlineBicoastal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1630 times:



Quoting RampGuy (Reply 7):
If you can guess what the flight is, you win the prize in the Cracker Jack box. lol

Sadly, this Chargers' fan isn't optimistic about Sunday's outcome. For the hell of it, I'll offer an overly optimistic, "Go Bolts!"


User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4522 posts, RR: 18
Reply 13, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1614 times:

Has there ever been nonstop service between IND and SAN? If so when and who ran it?

Quoting Bicoastal (Reply 12):
Sadly, this Chargers' fan isn't optimistic about Sunday's outcome. For the hell of it, I'll offer an overly optimistic, "Go Bolts!"

I can't say it looks promising as the Colts should be back to full strength (minus Freeney).



Indy = Indianapolis and not Independence Air
User currently offlineMKE22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1128 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1609 times:



Quoting SAN787 (Thread starter):
With Northwest taking over IND, does anyone have insight on if/when they may introduce service between San Diego and Indianapolis?

Odds any better of Southwest or AirTran beating them to it?

I think your answered your own question.  bigthumbsup  FL or WN



If Your not pissed, your not trying
User currently offlineSAN787 From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 616 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1593 times:



Quoting Indy (Reply 11):
Should be plenty of room to add flights unless it is a shared gate.

Very questionable...if I am not mistaking, they do share it (Gate 28 @ Terminal 2). There is not a seating area at the gate, it's very odd that the gate is seemingly placed in the middle of a hallway.

As for football, I am San Diego's biggest Colts fan!! (born the week the Colts brought the Mayflowers from Baltimore, grew up and went to school in Indy, moved to SAN with a job) Love San Diego, but can't leave behind my football team. Sooo, GO COLTS!!! Blue Friday exists in San Diego today too!

Although the game was a complete disaster, it was awesome seeing the Colts arrive in a sparkling new Northwest A330 in November.



those who don't get carried away should be.
User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5229 posts, RR: 14
Reply 16, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1483 times:

AirTran has exclusive use (if there really is such status in SAN any more) of gate 26 so yes, there is plenty of time for additional flights. During the summer, they even tie the gate up at night with a RON. As you said, Indy, the current sked lists 3x daily to ATL and (still) 2x weekly to MCO. I have a feeling if AirTran doesn't add flights pretty soon, they will in fact be sharing the gate with someone!

To answer another of your questions, I do not believe SAN-IND has ever seen n/s service (unless maybe OZ did it for a short time. I'll try to check on that.) And, as of my last figures, it is currently the 4th largest SAN market without n/s service (with, as of 1Q07, about 262 O&D pax per day.)

And as for you, '787, you need to put some gold on with that Blue -- I'm shocked and appalled that you are rooting for the wrong team! (Bolts over Colts again and for real this time!!)

bb


User currently offlineCoronado990 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1593 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1474 times:



Quoting SANFan (Reply 16):
To answer another of your questions, I do not believe SAN-IND has ever seen n/s service (unless maybe OZ did it for a short time. I'll try to check on that.)

I can tell you for sure there has never been a non-stop between the two cities.



Uncle SAN at your service!
User currently offlineRampGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1448 times:



Quoting SAN787 (Reply 15):
Although the game was a complete disaster, it was awesome seeing the Colts arrive in a sparkling new Northwest A330 in November.

I sure as hell missed seeing the NW Airbus 330 back in November. I didn't know they upgraded from the usualy 757-300.


User currently offline7E72004 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3587 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 1366 times:

Does AirTran still use 4 gates at IND?


The next generation of aircraft is just around the corner!
User currently offlineSAN787 From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 616 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1358 times:

I'm new to the neighborhood...how do I upload a picture to this thread from my harddrive that's not on A.net?

[Edited 2008-01-12 15:43:30]


those who don't get carried away should be.
User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4522 posts, RR: 18
Reply 21, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1346 times:



Quoting 7E72004 (Reply 19):
Does AirTran still use 4 gates at IND?

They use one gate exclusively. They share one gate with YX. They use two gates for their last two arrivals of the night. I believe that is how it goes right now.



Indy = Indianapolis and not Independence Air
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