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BA Cabin Crew Balloted Of Strike Action Again  
User currently offlineBALHRWWCC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 4310 times:

BA cabin Crew unio n UNITE will ballot all BA cacin crew in strike action due to the non implementation of a number of items agreed after the last strike talks in Jan 07. If a yes vot is recieved rumours are the strike will run from 26-28 march to coinside with BA's move to T5

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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27234 posts, RR: 60
Reply 1, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 4273 times:



Quoting BALHRWWCC (Thread starter):
If a yes vot is recieved rumours are the strike will run from 26-28 march to coinside with BA's move to T5

What fun that would be !!! Cant see BA letting this go ahead. There is too much to loose.


User currently offlineBALHRCSD From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 10 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 4268 times:

Let's NOT jump the gun here ! There is a "proposal" from BASSA / Unite union to ballot their members but NOTHING has been agreed yet ! The Head of Inflight Services has written to all crew via internal Email with a copy of the letter sent to the BASSA / Unite Deputy General Secretary Jack Dromey and states " a commitment to work constructively with BASSA, and settle our differences "
Please don't start scare-mongering the general public that read this site which may affect confidence in booking etc. THERE is NO STRIKE BALLOT YET !


User currently offlineSKAirbus From Norway, joined Oct 2007, 1789 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4243 times:



Quoting BALHRWWCC (Thread starter):
If a yes vot is recieved rumours are the strike will run from 26-28 march to coinside with BA's move to T5

Haha oh well no flights will give the airline a chance to reposition all their aircraft to Terminal 5 overnight  Wink

But seriously... As much as i loathe Mrs Thatcher, i thought she was meant to have reduced the power of trade unions?? But it's the same as in Denmark... Cabin crew have stupid demands and the airline has to give in otherwise they go bust... Stupid..



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User currently offlineSketty222 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 1778 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4148 times:



Quoting BALHRCSD (Reply 2):
Please don't start scare-mongering the general public that read this site which may affect confidence in booking etc. THERE is NO STRIKE BALLOT YET !

Thankyou for adding some realistic-ness to this.
To call for strike action at the same time as the move to T5 would be a very very stupid idea I think and could be detrimental to all of our jobs, to just cabin crew.

Lets hope this can be sorted out before it gets as far as Balloting for Strike action

Lee



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User currently offlineZuluTime From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 171 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 4110 times:

A shame but inevitable after the two unions (Amicus and T&G) merged. There is a real power struggle going on between the management of the two unions to show who has the biggest you-know-what. It unfortunately ends up with BA and Virgin both getting stuffed by public rumours of strikes as the two groups within one merged union battle it out. It's about time they grew up.

User currently offlineLHR777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4049 times:

BA cabin crew throwing their toys out of the pram, again? Please, can't they be adult about it? It's about the unions 'cojones' and nothing more. Working for BA is like being stuck in the 70's at times.....  Yeah sure

They got their GBP20.00 per sector for 'walking' to their departure gate in T5 instead of the cushy bus. What else do they want? Things take time, agreements are in place, and the management need to talk to the crew unions and vice-versa. BASSA know they lost face during the last round of (non)-strikes, so they're obviously trying to flex their muscle. Do they seriously think a strike during the opening of T5 is a clever thing? Please......

BA management - NOW is the time to work constructively with BASSA and settle your differences.


User currently offlineSpeedbird2155 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 879 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4016 times:



Quoting LHR777 (Reply 6):
They got their GBP20.00 per sector for 'walking' to their departure gate in T5 instead of the cushy bus.

This rumour has been doing the rounds internally for the past few weeks, yet I haven't found any of my cabin crew friends who know anything of it.


User currently offlineSbworcs From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2005, 851 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4007 times:



Quoting LHR777 (Reply 6):
They got their GBP20.00 per sector for 'walking' to their departure gate in T5 instead of the cushy bus. What else do they want?

Not sure I even understand what this means? Can someone please explain. THanks



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User currently offlineEdina From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 746 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3931 times:



Quoting LHR777 (Reply 6):
They got their GBP20.00 per sector for 'walking' to their departure gate in T5 instead of the cushy bus.

Utter drivel I'm afraid...............I take it you mean waiting 35 minutes after the last pax has disembarked and then driving to another stand to pick up another full 767 crew also on a day over 11 hours duty and getting back to the car park 1 hour & 20 mins after landing is having a "cushy bus". Please get your facts right!



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User currently offlineLHR777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3815 times:

Quoting Edina (Reply 9):
Utter drivel I'm afraid...............I take it you mean waiting 35 minutes after the last pax has disembarked and then driving to another stand to pick up another full 767 crew also on a day over 11 hours duty and getting back to the car park 1 hour & 20 mins after landing is having a "cushy bus". Please get your facts right!

Thanks for the correction. I'll raise it with my Eurofleet mate that I had dinner with last night. Perhaps the booze was talking...!

No, I mean walking from the crew report centre in T5 to the departure gate. You know that's going to happen and is the 'new' way of doing T5. No more busses from Compass (the current CRC) to the aircraft side.

[Edited 2008-01-12 09:23:20]

User currently offlineTonystan From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 1445 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3746 times:

The amount of ignorance amongst some of the posters in this thread beggers believe!

Crew DID NOT get a £20 pay off for walking to and from the aircraft in t5, infact crew actually stand to lose allowances as a result of reduced briefing times!!!!

As for crew throwing our toys out, well none of you clearly have any idea what is going on in BA at the moment. Every department is having problems with management. Last year a strike was averted because an agreement was reached, HOWEVER, that agreement has not been enforced by management!!! Crew are being bullied on a daily basis for being ill, others are being forced to go weeks without work (earning no allowances and before you say anything, the basic in BA is very low for the vast majority of crew nowadays) because BA have overworked them resulting in them exceeding their 900 hours in a short space of time, new work practises (such as the premium crew programme) are being forced onto us without any discussion and thats just to start with.

Once you get your facts right then you may post and criticise the crew all you want!!! At the end of the day if you were being wronged by your employer you would want to do something about it, am I wrong??? And please dont reply with a petty "get another job" response!!!!



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User currently offlineLHR777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3696 times:



Quoting Tonystan (Reply 11):
Crew DID NOT get a £20 pay off for walking to and from the aircraft in t5, infact crew actually stand to lose allowances as a result of reduced briefing times!!!!

If you see above, I already retracted that statement. Now calm down dear, it's only a website.....

Quoting Tonystan (Reply 11):
none of you clearly have any idea what is going on in BA at the moment. Every department is having problems with management.

And before you make sweeping statements like that, you might want to check who works for BA and who doesn't.

Quoting Tonystan (Reply 11):
At the end of the day if you were being wronged by your employer you would want to do something about it, am I wrong???

No, you're absolutely right. If you also read the rest of my post, I also said, I quote:

Quoting LHR777 (Reply 6):
Things take time, agreements are in place, and the management need to talk to the crew unions and vice-versa.



Quoting LHR777 (Reply 6):
BA management - NOW is the time to work constructively with BASSA and settle your differences.



User currently offlineGooner From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 137 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3675 times:

Whenever there is a dispute between UK airlines and/or airports and the various unions people come on here posting with their differing views.I am not employed in the aviation industry but my hobby is aviation.The only question I would ask is do people honestly believe workers want to take part in undustrial disputes and possibly lose money or do they think like myself that workers only take action as they have no other recourse

User currently offlineTCXDegsy From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2006, 518 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 3662 times:

I dont work as Crew, but it really hacks me off when I read about this petty "toys out the pram" stuff.

The way I see it is: BA has just committed BILLIONS to secure the future of their success, and BA Crew need to get into the 21st Century. They need to start thinking about the fact they are each stakeholders in the Company's future, success and possible failure if they don't stop moaning about every little thing.

If you're not happy with your employer.. leave! As a customer looking in on all these staffing issues.. you could be hurting your own future, as passengers will simply go elsewhere if they feel nervous about travel disruption.. then where would you be.

Another consideration I'd have, if I was a BA Crew member: The World Economy is teettering on the brink of a downturn, and we all know which luxuries are first to be dropped from people's expenditure: their travel plans. BA Crew can't afford to rock the boat, or BA will simply protect their future through rationalisation. They've done it before, and if they have to, they'll do it again.

A lot of BA Crew bitch and moan about the Company, but they'll bite their hand off to get the perks and the prestige of flying the flag.. so please... as a customer pleading from the heart....once and for all:

Shape up or Ship Out



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User currently offlineSpeedbird2155 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 879 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3594 times:



Quoting Tonystan (Reply 11):

As for crew throwing our toys out, well none of you clearly have any idea what is going on in BA at the moment. Every department is having problems with management.

While there maybe issues with management, the major difference seems to be that other departments are trying to work through the issues and not automatically call for a strike. With any major change like we are currently embarking on, there will always be issues, but it is how we handle those and work together, both management and staff, that will determine our future.


User currently offlineLHR777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3563 times:

Posted in error....

...and this was my 600th post!

[Edited 2008-01-13 04:26:52]

User currently offlineSketty222 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 1778 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3550 times:



Quoting LHR777 (Reply 12):
If you see above, I already retracted that statement. Now calm down dear, it's only a website.....

 Smile  Smile  Smile

Quoting Speedbird2155 (Reply 15):
While there maybe issues with management, the major difference seems to be that other departments are trying to work through the issues and not automatically call for a strike. With any major change like we are currently embarking on, there will always be issues, but it is how we handle those and work together, both management and staff, that will determine our future.


I couldn't have put it better myself

Lee



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User currently offlineTonystan From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 1445 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3464 times:



Quoting Speedbird2155 (Reply 15):
While there maybe issues with management, the major difference seems to be that other departments are trying to work through the issues and not automatically call for a strike. With any major change like we are currently embarking on, there will always be issues, but it is how we handle those and work together, both management and staff, that will determine our future.

A strike was not automatically called for, a strike is the last course of action and this is exactly what is happening here, all other paths have been explored and unfortunately the management just do not want to talk!!! They say they do but action is louder than words sadly!



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User currently offlineSketty222 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 1778 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3437 times:



Quoting Tonystan (Reply 18):
A strike was not automatically called for, a strike is the last course of action and this is exactly what is happening here, all other paths have been explored and unfortunately the management just do not want to talk!!! They say they do but action is louder than words sadly!

This attitude of "if I cant get my own way I'll strike" really gets my back up. The unions are there to help you get management to fulfill what they planned to do. They should not be trying to hold management to ransom by threatening strike action on the opening dates of T5.

If cabin crew strike on these dates they can wave goodbye to their jobs as well as a lot of their colleagues jobs.

I dont know if anyone else has noticed but its always BA crew that want to strike. You never see any other section of BA's employess threatening strike action

Come on crew, be sensible about this please



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User currently offlineHeeBeeGB From Finland, joined Sep 2007, 424 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3423 times:



Quoting Sketty222 (Reply 19):
If cabin crew strike on these dates they can wave goodbye to their jobs as well as a lot of their colleagues jobs.

Sounds good saying that doesn't it? Given the problems LGW has faced with lack of crew of late, having a load of crew leaving at short notice isn't so clever, yes they can be militant and yes BA mustn't give in to every demand but this gung-ho attitude of let them leave, plenty more want the job, just remember the amount of time and money spent on recruiting, training and getting new crew online all sections of the airline must work together and understand that every department is vital.

Having said that, given the awful brainwashing of T5 within the company seeing it grind to a hault on opeing day would raise a smile from quite a few staff within the company who live and work outside the waterworld bubble.


User currently offlineZB330 From Netherlands, joined Aug 2005, 79 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3421 times:

Tonystan,

You have given a few examples in your previous post as to why you are going to be balloted for strike action. Could you please post the complete list with items that need resolving.

Thanks, ZB330


User currently offlineSketty222 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 1778 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3408 times:



Quoting HeeBeeGB (Reply 20):
Sounds good saying that doesn't it? Given the problems LGW has faced with lack of crew of late, having a load of crew leaving at short notice isn't so clever, yes they can be militant and yes BA mustn't give in to every demand but this gung-ho attitude of let them leave, plenty more want the job, just remember the amount of time and money spent on recruiting, training and getting new crew online all sections of the airline must work together and understand that every department is vital.

I think you misunderstand my point, Im not saying that if the crew arent happy they can leave, far from it. I know how much it costs to recruit and train new crew members. I just want the crew to sort out their differences without it coming to a strike.
When I said they could wave goodbye to their jobs and those of their colleagues I meant that BA would probably have to cut a lot of heads, if they survived the strike action.

Quoting HeeBeeGB (Reply 20):
Having said that, given the awful brainwashing of T5 within the company seeing it grind to a hault on opeing day would raise a smile from quite a few staff within the company who live and work outside the waterworld bubble.

Well I for one work outside of the " Waterworld bubble" and I wouldnt be happy if it ground to a halt on the opening day. T5 is going to make or break BA to a certain extent and it needs to work for BA to keep being profitable. Those who do want it to grind to a halt need to take a look at why they're working for the company

Lee



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User currently offlineTheginge From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 1132 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3371 times:



Quoting HeeBeeGB (Reply 20):
Having said that, given the awful brainwashing of T5 within the company seeing it grind to a hault on opeing day would raise a smile from quite a few staff within the company who live and work outside the waterworld bubble.

If you work for BA do you actually want a job in a few years time? Seems not from statements like that.


User currently offlineTonystan From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 1445 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3314 times:



Quoting ZB330 (Reply 21):
Tonystan,

You have given a few examples in your previous post as to why you are going to be balloted for strike action. Could you please post the complete list with items that need resolving.

Thanks, ZB330

Bear with me ZB!!! I believe the union are still writing up the complete "official" list so as and when I have it I will post! I just dont want a repeat of last time when people were putting in all sorts of hear say...such as wanting more money for walking to aircraft in t5 etc etc! LOL! (Im away for the next few days on a badly needed break but will try to keep you all updated!!!)

And for the record, I dont want a strike...I dislike them, they cause way too much disruption to just about every stakeholder be it a passenger, colleagues, other airport staff etc and they do leave a very VERY sour taste in everyones mouth...But sometimes I really do believe that there is just no other option. Now please also remember that BA cabin crew have not been on strike for 11 years so no....BA CREW ARE NOT ALWAYS OUT ON STRIKE!!!!



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25 ZB330 : Cheers Tonystan, As i understand nothing new has been added to the list. It's all about the agreement you made last year with the management. ZB330
26 Tonystan : There are a few other issues too such as the imposition of Premium Crew and the recruitment procedures and conditions of that etc!!!
27 Speedbird2155 : What brainwashing?? T5 is important and everyone who works for BA knows that and seeing it grind to a halt, as you say, benefits no-one. Speak to vas
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