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BA To Operate LHR-GRU-EZE Daily  
User currently offlineBALHRWWCC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 7424 times:

BA are to operate LHR/GRU/EZE aily from the winter timetable 08. Direct flights will not start as BA don't have enough a/c to leave a a/c on the ground all day in EZE. However the 4 NEW 777 will be delivered through the beginning of 09. So maybe direct EZE flights after that date.

Flights to GIG will continue 3 x weekly however the a/c will operate as the present BA235/234 service which currently operates LHR/GRU only. This would mean a am departure ex LHR and Late evening ex GIG still via GRU. Timetable is still being worked on.

BA corperate customers where asked if they prefer daily service ex EZE via GRU or 3 possibly 4 x weekly direct they mostly came back wih daily as it is better suited if meetings over run etc

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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11365 posts, RR: 59
Reply 1, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 7237 times:
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Quoting BALHRWWCC (Thread starter):
Flights to GIG will continue 3 x weekly however the a/c will operate as the present BA235/234 service which currently operates LHR/GRU only. This would mean a am departure ex LHR and Late evening ex GIG still via GRU. Timetable is still being worked on

The BA234/BA235 will be operated with Boeing 772. I heard rumors about this flight should be changed and run as LHR-GIG-LHR. There is no way to run a flight LHR-GRU-GIG-GRU-LHR with only one 772 on a reasonable schedule.

And BA is still behind AF (with 2x daily non-stop to GIG and daily to EZE) and LH (with 5x weekly non-stop to EZE) !



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User currently offlineVincewy From Taiwan, joined Oct 2005, 767 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 7080 times:

Current schedule of BA 246/247 seems, it either sits on the ground all day at GIG, or it leaves EZE quite early since they're going through GRU.

I'd say the ideal schedule will be like, daily nonstop LHR-EZE with 777, another daily nonstop LHR-GRU with either 744 or 777, then 3 weekly LHR-GIG with 777, no more short hop flights. It seems like BA doesn't have enough aircrafts and/or slots at LHR for expansions, else there're a lot of rooms for BA to grow out of LHR (ie: more Indian cities).


User currently offlineBALHRWWCC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 6908 times:



Quoting Vincewy (Reply 2):
Current schedule of BA 246/247 seems, it either sits on the ground all day at GIG, or it leaves EZE quite early since they're going through GRU.

I'd say the ideal schedule will be like, daily nonstop LHR-EZE with 777, another daily nonstop LHR-GRU with either 744 or 777, then 3 weekly LHR-GIG with 777, no more short hop flights. It seems like BA doesn't have enough aircrafts and/or slots at LHR for expansions, else there're a lot of rooms for BA to grow out of LHR (ie: more Indian cities).

It is an ideal schedule but with no aircraft deliveries until 2009 it is not an option till then.

The EZE/GRU/LHR is operating on most days at full capacity in F/J and W. The current pattern means that only one not 2 a/c are required to operate the schedule to GRU and EZE. Also BA have traffic rights between GRU and EZE and it is a very popular sector with both brazilian and argentinian businesses.

Direct GIG may be an option. However it lacks the major corperate customers that BA have flying from GRU. BA this winter has easily filled all First and Club seats ex GRU.

According to crew based in EZE the plan is to operate the schedule above until 2009.They have already started recruitment of addtional EZE based crew for the additional flights via GRU.

IMHO I reckon BA will start direct service to EZE, GIG and GRU IN 2009/2010. They also are looking to open up new flights to emerging markets such as Recife in Brazil and possibly start serving Chile again via EZE. However these new destanations would not happen until the delivery of the new longhaul fleet which starts in 2010


User currently offlineEastern023 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 861 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 6773 times:

It would be great to see Speedbirds back to SCL tarmac. So potentially the route would be LHR-EZE-SCL in the south bound route. 777?

Thanks,



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User currently offlineJJMNGR From Brazil, joined May 2004, 1018 posts, RR: 15
Reply 5, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 6636 times:

Seems to me BA is starting to defend position in GIG against VS. Just to remember VS announced its intention to fly to GIG during 2008.

User currently offlineStarGoldLHR From Heard and McDonald Islands, joined Feb 2004, 1529 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 6533 times:

I dont think BA would have sufficient demand for 3x flights a day to South America.

Something more like a 3x GRU weekly, 7x GRU and 4xEZE would make more sense.

though having said that.. which european / american airlines actually fly GRU-EZE ? (i'm thinking for those "western" business men too scared to fly a south american airline).



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User currently offlineAF086 From France, joined Jan 2007, 1049 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 6460 times:



Quoting JJMNGR (Reply 5):
Seems to me BA is starting to defend position in GIG against VS. Just to remember VS announced its intention to fly to GIG during 2008.

If BA changes GIG from a 3x weekly flight with the 747 redeye both ways with a stop at GRU for another with a smaller aircraft and redeye only in one leg 3x a week and still with a stop at GRU, the airline won't be defending it's GIG position will be giving part of the market away.

If these changes include a LHR-GIG nonstop service than I would agree with you.

Speaking on VS, does anyone know how are things regarding this expected GIG flight?



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User currently offlineBSBIsland From Brazil, joined Jul 2005, 365 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 6451 times:



Quoting StarGoldLHR (Reply 6):
i'm thinking for those "western" business men too scared to fly a south american airline

Is this a joke? I hope the "western"business men that fly Sao Paulo-Buenos Aires are not ignorant like that. Otherwise they should go where they can fly "western" airlines.


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11365 posts, RR: 59
Reply 9, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 6450 times:
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Quoting BALHRWWCC (Reply 3):
Direct GIG may be an option. However it lacks the major corperate customers that BA have flying from GRU. BA this winter has easily filled all First and Club seats ex GRU.

Can you explain to me why 55% of British Investment in Brazil is in Rio and how around 160 to 200 pax board in Rio without traffic rights on domestic flight ?

I believe they are going to LHR.... and even with one stop !

And can you also explain to me why AF, with less French investment in Rio runs 2x daily flights with 82C and obtains 92% load factor and very high yields ?

There's market for a daily service London-Rio and i expect VS will be a winner with a LGW or LHR-GIG flight and show to BA what they lost ! The dormant demand is even higher.. i imagine there are people that would like to visit Rio, but the fact that 4 times a week they need to connect, reduce their willing.

Quoting JJMNGR (Reply 5):
Seems to me BA is starting to defend position in GIG against VS. Just to remember VS announced its intention to fly to GIG during 2008.

Seems that BA will only react after VS begin or announce the flight.

Quoting Vincewy (Reply 2):
I'd say the ideal schedule will be like, daily nonstop LHR-EZE with 777, another daily nonstop LHR-GRU with either 744 or 777, then 3 weekly LHR-GIG with 777, no more short hop flights. It seems like BA doesn't have enough aircrafts and/or slots at LHR for expansions, else there're a lot of rooms for BA to grow out of LHR (ie: more Indian cities).

The best schedule should be as AF... LHR-GRU with 744, LHR-EZE with 772 and LHR-GIG with 772. 3 daily flights to 3 key markets.

Felipe



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User currently offlinePU752 From Uruguay, joined Mar 2005, 584 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 6439 times:



Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 9):
And can you also explain to me why AF, with less French investment in Rio runs 2x daily flights with 82C and obtains 92% load factor and very high yields ?

Not all the times investments between 2 countries can guarantee you good loads/yields....it might help but another story is to make a flight profitable just because there are economic links between countries.


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11365 posts, RR: 59
Reply 11, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 6419 times:
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Quoting PU752 (Reply 10):
Not all the times investments between 2 countries can guarantee you good loads/yields....it might help but another story is to make a flight profitable just because there are economic links between countries.

Agree but note that i mention there's a market frozen because of the lack of flights. And the same way people looking for VIX, CWB, POA, SSA, CNF, BSB do this thru São Paulo, it can be done thru GIG.

It's a matter of create the flight to improve the economic links.

Felipe



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User currently offlineFlyCaledonian From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2048 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 6196 times:

LipeGIG, AF may be able to offer the service you mention to Rio, but it doesn't operate from a slot restricted hub like LHR. BA will look at it's whole operation and whilst it may want to expand its South American operations other destinations (e.g. India) may produce more profitable options, both in terms of premium traffic, O&D and connecting passengers. It would seem that going daily LHR-GRU-EZE was in response to what passengers wanted and that this will likely change again in 2009 when BA takes the four additional 777s plus acquires the ex BMED slots at LHR.

What's to say that BA don't operate daily to GRU (744), daily to EZE (772) and say 4/5 weekly to GIG (772) possibly extdning the flight through to SCL from there rather than EZE.

It's just speculation on my part but ramping EZE up to daily could be BA's way of increasing market share before launching the flight nonstop in 2009. As to VS, lets wait and see as they can be very good at announcing routes but then not proceeding with them. I'd also imagine VS would be offering it massively as a tourist destination as much as a business one. BA, on the other hand, sees its Holiday operation as more of a bolt on.



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User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 13, posted (6 years 3 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 6002 times:



Quoting BALHRWWCC (Reply 3):
Direct GIG may be an option. However it lacks the major corperate customers that BA have flying from GRU. BA this winter has easily filled all First and Club seats ex GRU.

GRU is one of BA's most profitable destinations in First and Business, ranked among the top 10 worldwide. GRU is very high yielding market and BA is aware of it. GRU will always remain BAs prime destinations in Latin America.

Quoting JJMNGR (Reply 5):
Seems to me BA is starting to defend position in GIG against VS. Just to remember VS announced its intention to fly to GIG during 2008.

No words so far regarding VS in GIG. This is to note that it has been some time since VS announced GIG as a "wish-list" destination. It has been rumoured that VS would start GIG in 2006 then 2007 and now....2008.....

Quoting FlyCaledonian (Reply 12):
What's to say that BA don't operate daily to GRU (744), daily to EZE (772) and say 4/5 weekly to GIG (772) possibly extdning the flight through to SCL from there rather than EZE

I would think GIG-SCL would be far more interesting than EZE-SCL, mainly because EZE-SCL is very competitive market while GIG-SCL is an important market with lack of nonstop service.

Quoting FlyCaledonian (Reply 12):
I'd also imagine VS would be offering it massively as a tourist destination as much as a business one.

Very different from BA priority which is premium traffic.

Again, I also have my doubts about BA's GRU-EZE legs, since these legs usually operate quite empty, except for specific days such as Sundays. Other airlines such as TAM and AR and GOL operate a multitude of daily flights GRU-EZE and more suitable for business traffic.

Rgs,


User currently offlineIncitatus From Brazil, joined Feb 2005, 3964 posts, RR: 13
Reply 14, posted (6 years 3 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 5790 times:



Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 9):
Can you explain to me why 55% of British Investment in Brazil is in Rio and how around 160 to 200 pax board in Rio without traffic rights on domestic flight ?

Please Felipe. Are you torturing statistics to make seem like Rio is half of BA's business in Brazil? Ahhaaa...

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 11):
Agree but note that i mention there's a market frozen because of the lack of flights. And the same way people looking for VIX, CWB, POA, SSA, CNF, BSB do this thru São Paulo, it can be done thru GIG.

But why Rio? What makes Rio so special that you think the rest of Brazil has to connect there? Don't be so parochial. Maybe BA should open a thid station in Brazil and give the rest of the country some real choice.


User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 15, posted (6 years 3 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 5728 times:



Quoting Incitatus (Reply 14):
But why Rio? What makes Rio so special that you think the rest of Brazil has to connect there? Don't be so parochial. Maybe BA should open a thid station in Brazil and give the rest of the country some real choice.

This is what I always mention. There are only two markets well served in Brazil: GRU and GIG. If we want to promote new flights, in my opinion, it has to be outside these two stations. I really hate this GRU x GIG debate. if anyone wants to advocate decentralisation, then please promote flights outside GRU and GIG!

Quoting Incitatus (Reply 14):
Please Felipe. Are you torturing statistics to make seem like Rio is half of BA's business in Brazil? Ahhaaa...

BA knows more than anyone that yields are in SP = SAO PAULO, this explains why BA operates nonstop to GRU (its only nonstop destination in the whole of South America). It also explains why GRU handles other two daily operations GRU-LHR by TAM and Varig. Airlines fly where they make money. The rest is advertisement or wishfull thiniking.

In the meanwhile, it seems BA will keep its 10 weekly flights GRU-LHR, even with the massive increase in capacity with added flights from TAM and more recently Varig. It seems the market is far from saturation....

Rgs,


User currently offlineSAOAP From Brazil, joined Mar 2005, 170 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (6 years 3 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 5550 times:

Just very quickly, my 2 cents: AF is cutting 2 weekly frequencies between GIG and PAR in the upcoming summer timetable. UX will also cut 1 weekly frequency if memory serves. So it seems to me that while there are possibilities in Rio, they are quite limited and must be exploited very carefully.

In the meantime GRU is getting more and more new flights   Korean's ICN-LAX-GRU 3/7 should be confirmed in the near future.

Cheers,

Marcelo

[Edited 2008-01-15 16:20:06]


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User currently offlineAF086 From France, joined Jan 2007, 1049 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (6 years 3 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 5510 times:

Quoting SAOAP (Reply 16):
Just very quickly, my 2 cents: AF is cutting 2 weekly frequencies between GIG and PAR in the upcoming summer timetable. UX will also cut 1 weekly frequency if memory serves. So it seems to me that while there are possibilities in Rio, they are quite limited and must be exploited very carefully.

AF is reducing AF444/447 as it was stipulated before since there are the 2 cargo frequencies that actually count in the bilateral so AF cannot sustain 4 daily flights + 2 weekly cargo services. Also EFF208OCT08 AF444/7 becomes daily again with an aircraft upgrade once a week (A343).

As for GRU things are note perfect as it sounds: SAA is cutting their second flight (3x weekly, SA224/225) at 23MAR08 and AF will downsize the aircraft for one of their flights (AF454) to the 772 at 03FEB08 as well.

GIG is still a large underserved market which is shadowed by GRU. A nonstop to LHR would definetly be a winner as well as one to JFK. At least, apparently, TAM is taking care of the NY service.

As for LHR I don't see much of movement towards a LHR-GIG nonstop flight from both VS and BA and I don't expect anything from TAM when London is concerned, so guess this market will remain unexploited.

[Edited 2008-01-15 16:48:28]


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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11365 posts, RR: 59
Reply 18, posted (6 years 3 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 5474 times:
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Quoting Incitatus (Reply 14):
But why Rio? What makes Rio so special that you think the rest of Brazil has to connect there? Don't be so parochial.

I'm not being parochial. Tell me besides Sao Paulo which city has a huge British Investment in Brazil and it's not served with non-stop from London ? Curitiba has HSBC, Belo Horizonte has Cera Ingleza... and Rio has just Wellstream, British Tobaco (BAT), Shell, BP, Rolls Royce, Losango (HSBC Consumer Operations Division), Glaxo SmithKline and GSK Latin America, Rexam Brazil and Rexam Latin America, among some others.
Sao Paulo is the biggest destination in Brazil as well as our Business Center, but for British Investment, i believe considering Sao Paulo is now served 3x daily to London, there's enough room for a second destination, and of course i expect to be Rio.
May be as a third destination we can see REC, SSA, BSB or FOR.

Quoting SAOAP (Reply 16):
Just very quickly, my 2 cents: AF is cutting 2 weekly frequencies between GIG and PAR in the upcoming summer timetable. UX will also cut 1 weekly frequency if memory serves. So it seems to me that while there are possibilities in Rio, they are quite limited and must be exploited very carefully.

Marcelo, be in mind that AF is saying that will upgrade GIG from Last IATA summer to 12 from 7x weekly in 2006. And as said above, Rio is not the one being "downgraded". The market Brazil-Europe seems to be very good for January levels, but you gonna agree with me it's more than the size of demand for low season. I expect by IATA Summer 2009, GIG will be 14x weekly. AF is very conservative and used the same procedure while increasing GRU from 7x to 10x then 12x and 14x. GIG was increased immediately from 7x to 14x on a single move, now is going to be 12x as AF made with GRU.

We will see also LH changing schedule from daylight MUC-GRU to overnight, but with downgrade to A343 from A346.

Felipe



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User currently offlineTBCITDG From Australia, joined Jan 2004, 921 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (6 years 3 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 5383 times:

Ok girls!
Stop fighting as to who's one is bigger than the other.

Has VS made concrete statements about GIG or maybe even EZE?


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11365 posts, RR: 59
Reply 20, posted (6 years 3 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 5376 times:
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Quoting TBCITDG (Reply 19):
Has VS made concrete statements about GIG or maybe even EZE?

Nothing more than just words on a press release and now on FAQ

Virgin Atlantic is always looking at new route opportunities. We will be launching direct services between London Heathrow and Mauritius and Kingston, Jamaica later this autumn. Our current wish list of new routes includes Melbourne, Bangkok, Toronto, Rio and Seattle!

And also this...

Virgin Atlantic is ordering 15 of the 787-9 Dreamliners - with options on ordering another eight 787-9s and purchase rights on a further 20 aircraft. The 787-9 Dreamliner burns around 27% less fuel per passenger than the A340-300, the aircraft it will replace in the Virgin Atlantic fleet. The order will see Virgin Atlantic take delivery of its new planes from 2011 and could be worth up to US$8 billion.
..
The new Virgin Atlantic 787 Dreamliners will enable the airline to continue its global expansion, possibly flying to cities including Rio de Janeiro, Seattle, Vancouver, Bangkok and Melbourne.

EZE is not on their plans, at least up to now.

Felipe



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User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 21, posted (6 years 3 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5293 times:



Quoting SAOAP (Reply 16):
Just very quickly, my 2 cents: AF is cutting 2 weekly frequencies between GIG and PAR in the upcoming summer timetable. UX will also cut 1 weekly frequency if memory serves. So it seems to me that while there are possibilities in Rio, they are quite limited and must be exploited very carefully.

In the meantime GRU is getting more and more new flights Korean's ICN-LAX-GRU 3/7 should be confirmed in the near future.

Correct, AF will reduce its double day CDG-GIG to 13 and then 12 weekly. It is a pity as we would all want the service to remain year-around. I hope during 2009 perhaps the service will consolidate to double daily. GRU will keep its double daily operations year-around, and KL (part of AF group) will increase capacity AMS-GRU deploying the B773 starting 02 March 2008. In fact, GRU will be the launching destination of the new KL B773. [one interesting note is that KL B773 will bring on its business class AF NEV3 business seats, only available on some AF B773. KL superior IFE system will not be replaced by AF system].

You are right again, we could expect to see KE landing in GRU by mid-2008. Another airline in GRU, after Emirates (who will make their operations in GRU become daily in June).

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 18):
We will see also LH changing schedule from daylight MUC-GRU to overnight, but with downgrade to A343 from A346.

There is no doubt that red-eye flights is far more attractive and superior than daylight. This is a major improvement in LH MUC-GRU service and testimony of the importance of GRU for LH network.

Again, FRA is another market with massive recent expansion: TAM new flight, RG, and LH FRA-GRU B747 dedicated flight, which more than compensates the replacement of A346 with A343 in LH the operations MUC-GRU. Overall, LH will still have increased capacity to GRU!

Again, the signal is that the market is far from saturation, and more flights are necessary, as fares are still very high. The gold rush to GRU yields continues.

Quoting TBCITDG (Reply 19):
Has VS made concrete statements about GIG or maybe even EZE?

There is a press statement, but we had the same statement 3 years ago. VS was expected to start GIG since 2005. We now hope VS will open the route in 2009. Perhaps by that time BA will already have captured the market.

Rgs


User currently offlineTBCITDG From Australia, joined Jan 2004, 921 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (6 years 3 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 5290 times:

Thanks for the info guys:

Now just out of curiosity: What is the reason behind the VS delays and GIG? Lack of aircraft? Aircraft deployed to other routes?


User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 23, posted (6 years 3 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 5286 times:



Quoting TBCITDG (Reply 22):
What is the reason behind the VS delays and GIG? Lack of aircraft? Aircraft deployed to other routes?

Other routes were selected over GIG, such as MRU, more services to India and DXB, and lack of aircraft. The fact is that if VS was really interested in starting flights to GIG it could have opened the route in 2006 or 2007. It is a missed opportunity.

Rgs,


User currently offlineLH506 From Ecuador, joined May 2007, 461 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (6 years 3 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 5277 times:



Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 18):
We will see also LH changing schedule from daylight MUC-GRU to overnight, but with downgrade to A343 from A346.

which I consider a seasonal downgrade, because LH used the 343 during summer 07, too. I guess the 346 is needed on transatlantic routes during the summer



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25 Argentina : Uploaded Timetables: BA249 LHR-GIG starting 28OCT08 with B777 (Tu-Th-Su) 11:35 - 21:05 BA248 GIG-LHR starting 28OCT08 with B777 (Tu-Th-Su) 23:15 - 12:
26 AF086 : Nonstop? Oh well. Nice move by BA this one will definetly be a winner.
27 Argentina : Yes, it shows a 3 x week nonstop LHR-GIG-LHR, but still keeping the LHR-GRU-GIG 4 x a week with B744
28 AF086 : Not anymore.
29 APYu : LHR - GIG - LHR looks to be operated by a 3 class aircraft too
30 Argentina : All work seems to be done, new schedules appear as follows: BA249 LHR-GIG starting 28OCT08 with B777 (Tu-Th) 11:35 - 21:05 BA249 LHR-GIG starting 28OC
31 BCA2005 : Excellent news and a smart move by BA, beating VS (who have been all talk) to it! For Winter 2008 we have: LHR-GRU-EZE daily LHR-GIG 3 weekly LHR-HYD
32 LipeGIG : Seems that the inside information i got was correct. Very smart decision from BA. I believe they should take the frequencies from VS and no doubt the
33 Jog : LH is offering FRA/MUC-GRU return as last minute offer this week for flights within the next 10 days for only 350 EUR (about 500USD). Connecting flig
34 Hardiwv : This is not an indication the flight does not work or is not profitable. Have you seen the advertised fares between Europe and US? GRU is very lucrat
35 AF086 : Doubt that. There's still room for VS in the GIG-LON market, specially if you consider the connection that VS can offer at LHR.
36 Post contains links LipeGIG : Hi Florian, hope everything is fine ! Correct, LH is selling Y and C at lower fares than last year. And it's not the first time. I do believe Europe-
37 BCA2005 : What connections? BA offer way more connections at LHR than VS.
38 AF086 : Asia comes to my mind. And I never said that BA doesn't offer connections. They do and lots of them at their Heathrow fortress. Denying that would be
39 BALHRWWCC : What is interesting is BA will use a high Y config a/c on the route on Thurs and Sun Config: 36J/24W/212Y and a regular long range config on Tue : 13
40 Hardiwv : This is very strange. One flight will have a F cabin while the other two wont have F. I am sure BA will correct this mistake and decide for a standar
41 Incitatus : That says BA is not interested in having a consistent first class product in this market. Very likely the assignment of an aircraft with F cabin for
42 BCA2005 : I understand that LHR-GIG will operate instead of the three additional weekly LHR-GRU flights. The GRU flights were operated by 744 and the new GIG 77
43 Post contains images CX288 : Correct. I reckon they will not even sell First Class on this single flight. Instead they will seat their top-tier frequent flyer into the First Clas
44 Hardiwv : Thanks for the explanation, but it will be a missed opportunity for BA as I personally think it could market its F product in GIG therefore bringing
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