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A340-300E Vs. A340-500/600?  
User currently offlineVH-BZF From Australia, joined Oct 1999, 822 posts, RR: 0
Posted (13 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2122 times:

Just wondering what your thoughts are on whether the newest versions of the A340 family will be as successfull as their smaller sister, the A340-300(E)? I know they have scored a few orders (mostly it seems for the -500), but will they enjoy the success of the -300? My thoughts are, the -500 will do better because of its greater range! Will it replace some B747's, seems like the ideal aircraft to replace the B747SP? Just my thoughts!

Cheers Big grin


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User currently offlineGerardo From Spain, joined May 2000, 3481 posts, RR: 32
Reply 1, posted (13 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2043 times:

Well, so far the A346 is outscoring the A345 by a large number. The A345 is only a niche aircraft, as there aen't many routes, which need an aircraft with this range.

Regards
Gerardo



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User currently offlineXxxx10 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2000, 777 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (13 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2023 times:

If they could increase the range just slightly to allow flights like LHR-SYD OR SYD-JFK they would have a winner on their hands -what do you think?

User currently offlineGerardo From Spain, joined May 2000, 3481 posts, RR: 32
Reply 3, posted (13 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2004 times:

Well, this would need more than only a slight increase of the range. So, I doubt, that that will be possible.

Regards
Gerardo
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User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (13 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2000 times:

I am curious as to whether hyper-long flights like that will be popular with travellers. Sitting in a seat for 18-20 hours would be bad enough in First or Business Classes, but in Economy? I'd be ready to kill towards the end of that trip, and I am not unfamiliar with long flights.

For trips like that, they may well need specially designed economy classes, with more space. Otherwise people may end up preferring to fly on a plane which makes a stopover, just for the chance to stretch their legs for an hour or two.

Charles


User currently offlineTEDSKI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (13 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1985 times:

If airlines don't need the longer range A340-500 then how is it that the 777-200LR & 300ER with the same range is selling very well?

User currently offlineGerardo From Spain, joined May 2000, 3481 posts, RR: 32
Reply 6, posted (13 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1979 times:

The 777-300ER has less range than the A346. The competitor of the A345 is the B777-200LR, which hasn't been ordered that much: only 3 of them have been firm ordered in 2000.

Regards
Gerardo



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User currently offlineJoni From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (13 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1973 times:


I think 345 can be configured in a very roomy layout and kill two lizards with one stone - the passengers don't do berserk and the smaller payload allows for greater range. IIRC Singapore, for instance, plans to have only about 200 passengers on their 345's. (or was that 240? i forget)





User currently offlineF+ Rouge From France, joined May 2000, 210 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (13 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1967 times:

I think the 346 which is seating 380 pax in a three class layout is the optimum choice to replace ageing 747 Classics (-100s, -200s and even -300s) in large numbers.

VH-BZF, I guess you are right saying that the 345 is the ideal aircraft to replace the 747SP. Unfortunately the 747SP was a niche aircraft and there are only about 45 of this type in service.

Regards,

F+ Rouge


User currently offlineTEDSKI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (13 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 1945 times:

In the March 2001 issue of the magazine AIRWAYS, there is an excellent picture of the rollout of the new RR Trent 556 powered A340-600 at the Airbus factory in Toulouse. In deed this aircraft will be an excellent replacement for the 747-200 Classics.

User currently offlineGerardo From Spain, joined May 2000, 3481 posts, RR: 32
Reply 10, posted (13 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 1939 times:

TEDSKI, in the March 2001 issue?? Over here we are still waiting for February....

Gerardo



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User currently offlineTEDSKI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (13 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1921 times:

I have a two year subscription so I get issues for each month very early.

User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 7929 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (13 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1900 times:

TEDSKI,

Supposedly, Airbus was aiming the A340-600 as a 747-400 alternative. Only one problem: the 744 seats quite a bit more passengers than the A340-600.

Now, the A346 as a 747 "Classic" replacement, that's a very different story.  Smile

By the way, according to Flight International magazine, Airbus plans to have increased gross weight versions of the A346, which could mean that the A346 could have essentially the same range as the A340-500 but with the carrying capacity of the A346. That improved A346 could become VERY viable for a lot of airlines around the world that needs a long-range plane but will not buy the 747.


User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13735 posts, RR: 19
Reply 13, posted (13 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1894 times:

Although the A343E did meet SIA's requirements, they are not impressed and therefore me neither.

I must say I'm not really pleased with the A340 family at all. The ceiling is just too low. I'm not too tall myself if u no what i mean but it's too low.

You all know about SIA's A340 complaints so I won't repeat them

A345 - It's a good aircraft and very good in terms of range. It offers SIA non-stop from SIA - Canada, SFO / LAX. However I doubt it will sell well. I don't think BA are going to fly from LHR - Argentina non-stop are they?

A346- more seating lovely. Shame about the ceiling.

However I think SIA will accept the A345 more as the engines will be more powerful.



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User currently offlineGerardo From Spain, joined May 2000, 3481 posts, RR: 32
Reply 14, posted (13 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1889 times:

Singapore_Air, I think you make a little confusion. The A343 Enhanced discussed in this topic isn't the A343E operated by Singapore air. In fact, the A343 Enganced doesn't have a designation yet and will enter intro service by early 2003.

Then, RayChuang wrote:
" By the way, according to Flight International magazine, Airbus plans to have increased gross weight versions of the A346, which could mean that the A346 could have essentially the same range as the A340-500 but with the carrying capacity of the A346. "

There would still be a considerable range gap between the A345 and the A346. An example: Emirates still plans to go for the A345 but is evaluating the new proposed A346 for flights as for example DXB-JFK.

Regards
Gerardo



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User currently offlineJohnnybgoode From Germany, joined Jan 2001, 2187 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (13 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1872 times:

singapore air
BA already operates nonstop to argentina

and
gerardo
emirates evaluates switching some a-345 orders for the a-346, and using the 346 on the dxb-jfk route because the 346 range turned out to be more than actually expected.

rgds
daniel



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User currently offlineVH-BZF From Australia, joined Oct 1999, 822 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (13 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1860 times:

Hey do any of you know whether the new engines aboard the A345/6 will allow a higher/faster cruising speed at altitude? Currently the A343 is about mach .79/.80 some what slower than the B777 family! Boeing state this equates to nearly 30minutes on a route like Melbourne to Singapore where the two aircraft depart at the same time.
So with the new A345/6 does the airframe/engines allow for a higher cruise speed????

Appreciate your input!

Cheers - BZF Big grin



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User currently offlineTEDSKI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (13 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1854 times:

The RR Trent 500 series engines on the A340-600 are more powerful than the A340-500, they will have 56,000lbs thrust vs. 53,000lbs thrust on the A340-500. By the way, that is great news if an increased gross weight A340-600 will have the same range as the 500 model. I hope Olympic Airways of Greece orders these new high power high capacity 600 models because they really need them on their busy JFK to ATH route during the summer travel season.

User currently offlineCba From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 4530 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (13 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1850 times:

SIA and Emirates with both probably wind up ordering the 772LR/773ER, as they both have large 777 fleets. Emirates doesn't even operate the A340. Lufthansa, Air Canada, and Swissair are the main cantidates for the A345 and A346.

User currently offlineJohnnybgoode From Germany, joined Jan 2001, 2187 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (13 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1815 times:

Cba,

singapore and emirates have already ordered the a-340-500s (SQ, EK) and the -600s (EK).
LH has 10 a-346s on order, SR 11, and air canada has some a-340-500 on order.

rgds
daniel



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User currently offlineJoni From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (13 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1804 times:


A345/346 will fly faster than 343, but I can't remember exactly how much and the Airbus site just quotes an MMO of .86. Probably the cruise speed will be about .825 or so.


User currently offlineZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5564 posts, RR: 37
Reply 21, posted (13 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1785 times:

SR has 11 A 340-600 and no -500 on order.

User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13735 posts, RR: 19
Reply 22, posted (13 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1781 times:

SO what's the diffrence Gerado.

A340-300E Singapore Airlines
A340-300E ?? Undesignated??????????



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User currently offlineTEDSKI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (13 years 2 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1757 times:

As far as the A340-300 Enhanced model, why doesn't Airbus put the stronger wings from the A340-500/600 models so that they can put 40,000lb thrust RR RB211s and P&W 2000 series engines that are on the Boeing 757 and Russian IL-96M to replace the 34,000lb thrust CFM56-5C4s.

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