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User currently offlineJuanchito From Guatemala, joined Nov 2000, 1210 posts, RR: 9
Posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 8704 times:

Look what I found. Good news.


image source SIGHTS MAGAZINE - ATA/January 2008

According to this route map ATA will operate for USA Latin Sky a new airline. Airports that will be served will be GUA, MGA and SJO pending goverment aprooval, from MIA. Guatemala goverment already have aproove flights.

Juanchito


Chapin de corazon.
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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 1, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 8684 times:

This seems very interesting. I wonder if it will ever launch.


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User currently offlineSflaflight From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1183 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 8596 times:

Well ATA is still a quite frequent visitor to MIA doing many, many charters to Cuba, DR etc... So, might just be worth basing a couple of aircraft at MIA!

User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4620 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 8524 times:



Quoting Juanchito (Thread starter):
Latin Sky a new airline. Airports that will be served will be GUA, MGA and SJO pending goverment aprooval, from MIA

Maybe this carrier will follow strictly a low-cost model as ATA does.
However, the room seems like full of players on the way South Florida - Central America.
NK recently dropped FLL-GUA from 7x to 3x weekly.
Since AA started FLL-SJO in December, NK did not deploy the extra red-eye scheduled flight, meaning just 7x weekly for the named route on NK.
Regards.



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offlineTZTriStar500 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1460 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 8506 times:



Quoting Juanchito (Thread starter):
According to this route map ATA will operate for USA Latin Sky a new airline. Airports that will be served will be GUA, MGA and SJO pending goverment aprooval, from MIA. Guatemala goverment already have aproove flights.

I'm surprised we put this in already since this far from being a done deal. Negotiations have been long and difficult.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 1):
This seems very interesting. I wonder if it will ever launch.

I have doubts about if it will even start. With oil prices, everybody reducing capacity, and sure fired ruthless response from AA, I am highly skeptical.

Quoting Sflaflight (Reply 2):
Well ATA is still a quite frequent visitor to MIA doing many, many charters to Cuba, DR etc... So, might just be worth basing a couple of aircraft at MIA!

We have been pseudo basing a few business class configured 738s out of MIA for the last year and I think we are doing it again now.

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 3):
Maybe this carrier will follow strictly a low-cost model as ATA does.
However, the room seems like full of players on the way South Florida - Central America.
NK recently dropped FLL-GUA from 7x to 3x weekly.
Since AA started FLL-SJO in December, NK did not deploy the extra red-eye scheduled flight, meaning just 7x weekly for the named route on NK.
Regards.

Well, its actually a virtual airline wet lease. TZ offers the ACMI and they do the rest, but TZ is also able to offer the flights in our system. The way I understand is its pretty much a fixed contract for TZ and that is probably where the hang-up is on the amount; both want to be reasonably assured it will be profitable, but USA Latin is more at risk here.



35 years of American Trans Air/ATA Airlines, 1973-2008. A great little airline that will not be soon forgotten.
User currently offlineAer From Guatemala, joined Mar 2004, 1048 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 8450 times:

I do also think that the offer to South Florida is quite full. I guess airlines should start to see to other makets. May be they should explore the new destinations.


nice and spacious airports in need of new airlines and flights... GUA or FRS anyone?... anyone at all?
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 6, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 8433 times:



Quoting Aer (Reply 5):
I do also think that the offer to South Florida is quite full. I guess airlines should start to see to other makets. May be they should explore the new destinations.

It's the largest market between Central America and the U.S., and the safest best. Flights are generally in the 70-80s, and packed full during the summer. TACA and American have done a great job of keeping fares high and limiting capacity. Even Spirit hasn't provided much relief. New compieition is much needed and welcomed. Sol Air prooved this. They did very well load-wise.



a.
User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4620 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 8357 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 6):
Even Spirit hasn't provided much relief. New compieition is much needed and welcomed

The business strategy of AA in Central America heading to South Florida is already hurting to NK and therefore they are not growing in the isthmus, besides the NK FLL-PTY starting on January 31st.
The possibility of a new air carrier linking South Florida - Central America will face the same hard conditions, prior to consolidate a profitable venture in Central America as NK is pretending here.
Regards.



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 8, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 8344 times:



Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 7):

The business strategy of AA in Central America heading to South Florida is already hurting to NK and therefore they are not growing in the isthmus, besides the NK FLL-PTY starting on January 31st.

Central America has been tougher than the Caribbean and Peru, but they will be growing. Look for two new destinations in 2008 - Roatan and San Salvador.



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User currently offlinePlatinumfoota From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 556 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 8332 times:

Why no SAL? Too much competition? Too Risky?


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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 10, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 8330 times:



Quoting Platinumfoota (Reply 9):
Why no SAL? Too much competition? Too Risky?

El Salvador is not a huge market from South Florida. San Jose is the largest Miami-Central America O&D market, followed by Managua, Panama City, and Guatemala City.

Unlike the other Central American countries, El Salvador's largest transborder market is Los Angeles.



a.
User currently offlineM180up From El Salvador, joined May 2006, 403 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 8330 times:



Quoting Platinumfoota (Reply 9):
Why no SAL? Too much competition? Too Risky?

Market was already tried by US a couple of years ago and dropped along with PTY, only cities remaining in central america are GUA and SJO from the cities operated from FLL.



Werner from SAL
User currently offlineMGASJO From Nicaragua, joined Feb 2005, 466 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 8276 times:

I wonder how are they planning to manage the huge amount of bags that normally triple when holidays come in central america. Specifically in MGA mother's day, easter, Dec 7th and 8th and of course the days before xmas. A 738 with 140+ pax would not carry 300+ bags that normally are checked by pax on those seasons. TA has several options to have cubed out bags sent to its final destinations, AA has widebody service to both GUA and MGA -SJO is not a factor here, the amount of bags checked there is sensibly lower than GUA and MGA-.
Before having the A300 to GUA and MGA, we had to have bags sent to SJO and then ferried to MGA via La Costeña, also a couple of times Arrow was used to send bags from MIA to MGA; at some point last december CO had to do that to.

Since they don't have any other service on the region and no affiliates whatsoever, I wonder if they have thought of that.



C208B
User currently offlineTZTriStar500 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1460 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 8267 times:



Quoting MGASJO (Reply 12):
I wonder how are they planning to manage the huge amount of bags that normally triple when holidays come in central america. Specifically in MGA mother's day, easter, Dec 7th and 8th and of course the days before xmas. A 738 with 140+ pax would not carry 300+ bags that normally are checked by pax on those seasons. TA has several options to have cubed out bags sent to its final destinations, AA has widebody service to both GUA and MGA -SJO is not a factor here, the amount of bags checked there is sensibly lower than GUA and MGA-.
Before having the A300 to GUA and MGA, we had to have bags sent to SJO and then ferried to MGA via La Costeña, also a couple of times Arrow was used to send bags from MIA to MGA; at some point last december CO had to do that to.

Since they don't have any other service on the region and no affiliates whatsoever, I wonder if they have thought of that.

These are good questions for USA Latin, not ATA. We are just the ACMI provider of the aircraft and USA Latin is responsible for the marketing and handling. You are correct though, the 738 is limited in that it will not be able to accommodate those type of baggage loads at high seasons.



35 years of American Trans Air/ATA Airlines, 1973-2008. A great little airline that will not be soon forgotten.
User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4620 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 8225 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 8):
Look for two new destinations in 2008 - Roatan and San Salvador.

NK FLL-RTB would be basically oriented by leisure traffic.
Other tourism destinations placed in the area like Belize and Liberia may deserve new services from South Florida before Roatan, regarding the amount of flights linking both MIA-BZE and MIA-LIR as compared with the sole TA SAL-RTB-MIA on Sundays.




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Quoting M180up (Reply 11):
Market was already tried by US a couple of years ago and dropped along with PTY, only cities remaining in central america are GUA and SJO from the cities operated from FLL.

US also flies to LIR regularly, but they did not operate FLL-LIR, if I recall correctly.




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Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 8):
Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 7):

The business strategy of AA in Central America heading to South Florida is already hurting to NK and therefore they are not growing in the isthmus, besides the NK FLL-PTY starting on January 31st.

Central America has been tougher than the Caribbean and Peru, but they will be growing. Look for two new destinations in 2008 - Roatan and San Salvador.

From my point of view, NK is rather expanding in Central America. However, the growth in the whole area has been stopped or rising up slowly as you pointed out.
The following assessment illustrates us the truth of the performance of NK in Central America:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 3):
NK recently dropped FLL-GUA from 7x to 3x weekly.
Since AA started FLL-SJO in December, NK did not deploy the extra red-eye scheduled flight

NK also axed LAX-GUA on January 08th.

Regards.



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offlineYellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6358 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 8063 times:



Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 14):
ther tourism destinations placed in the area like Belize and Liberia may deserve new services

NK came here (BZE) sniffed about and passed.

They would have the same problem they are having in GUA.....reservations on only the web...



When in doubt, hold on to your altitude. No-one has ever collided with the sky.
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 16, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 8045 times:



Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 15):
They would have the same problem they are having in GUA.....reservations on only the web...

You are confusing Spirit with Skybus. You can book through travel agents and in person. Spirit Airlines has a ticketing office in Miami's Little Haiti (right across the street from AA's), because they know that customers flying to Haiti tend to pay cash and not use the internet. Not sure if they run similar ticketing offices in other places, but they should given the demographics of their travelers.



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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4620 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 8007 times:



Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 15):
....reservations on only the web...

As a cultural pattern, most Central Americans would prefer yet to purchase their air tickets through travel agencies or with the airline personally instead to utilize the services offered on the web.
Regards.



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offlineM180up From El Salvador, joined May 2006, 403 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 7930 times:



Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 14):
US also flies to LIR regularly, but they did not operate FLL-LIR, if I recall correctly.

Yes, they also travel to LIR from CLT, but they didnt do it from FLL that is why I said that only GUA and SJO were still operating from the original cities served from FLL.

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 17):
As a cultural pattern, most Central Americans would prefer yet to purchase their air tickets through travel agencies or with the airline personally instead to utilize the services offered on the web.
Regards.

Yes, and they even prefer to buy them at the airport even if they have to pay extra fees than paying on the phone with reservations.



Werner from SAL
User currently offlineMt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6678 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 7859 times:
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Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 17):
would prefer yet to purchase their air tickets through travel agencies or with the airline personally instead to utilize the services offered on the web.

I dont think its a matter of preference necessarily - but the Internet is not widely used in CA. And the relatively few people that do have internet prefer to go to a travel agency.



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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4620 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 7820 times:



Quoting Mt99 (Reply 19):
the Internet is not widely used in CA. And the relatively few people that do have internet prefer to go to a travel agency.

This would be an issue against the U.S. low-cost carriers in Central America: Spirit, Frontier and possibly Latin Sky in the future.
Regards.



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offlineMt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6678 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 7808 times:
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Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 20):
This would be an issue against the U.S. low-cost carriers in Central America: Spirit, Frontier and possibly Latin Sky in the future.
Regards.

I think its an issue with established carries too. I'm sure TA would love to increase their sales thru the Internet. But you are right in saying that it would affect the LLC more - as it is big part of their strategy.

That being said - i would think that a typical phone call costs less to TA than it does to US carriers.



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User currently offlineYellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6358 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 7781 times:



Quoting Mt99 (Reply 21):
That being said - i would think that a typical phone call costs less to TA than it does to US carriers

Well TA's call center is in SAL I believe....wages aren't out of control there...



When in doubt, hold on to your altitude. No-one has ever collided with the sky.
User currently offlineAer From Guatemala, joined Mar 2004, 1048 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 7675 times:

Ok guys, straight from Amadeus


ATA Airlines Inc (TZ 4055)
Daily
dep: 10:00 - Guatemala City (GUA) terminal
arr: 14:35 - Miami (MIA) terminal
equipment: Boeing 737-800

ATA Airlines Inc (TZ 4054)
Daily
dep: 08:00 - Miami (MIA) terminal
arr: 08:50 - Guatemala City (GUA) terminal
equipment: Boeing 737-800



nice and spacious airports in need of new airlines and flights... GUA or FRS anyone?... anyone at all?
User currently offlineJuanchito From Guatemala, joined Nov 2000, 1210 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 7654 times:

Thanks for the update. When will it start?

Juanchito



Chapin de corazon.
25 IFlyATA : March 15th.
26 Juanchito : Thanks for the quick reply Juanchito
27 Aer : GUA is already in ATA's page, but I wasn't able to get a quote.
28 MAH4546 : Fares are there. They start at $286 r/t.
29 SJOtoLIR : Both TZ MIA-SJO and TZ MIA-GUA will begin on the same date with 738. However, there is no any information about TZ MIA-MGA. The competitors in Centra
30 LACA773 : How long do you think TZ will fly these new flights with the 738 before upgrading the flight to a 752 or 753? To me, this would seem more feasible jus
31 IFlyATA : At this point in time, ATA is not offering service from MIA-MGA.
32 SJOtoLIR : The operations offered daily by both TA and AA and targeting to MIA show a loaded market there. A possible upgrade on ATA GUA-MIA will not be easy. N
33 LACA773 : Happy New Years SJOtoLIR, thankyou for your take on the possiblity of an a/c upgrade on TZ on these new Central American flights. It just seems that
34 SJOtoLIR : Best wishes as well, LACA773 ! IMHO, the strategy of AA matching fares for MIA-GUA could be the main reason to explain the poor performance for NK FL
35 Aer : Don't forget that the travel agencies refused to sell NK tickets, no ads, e-ticket only, credit card only, etc. If ATA has a different approach in GU
36 TZTriStar500 : Again, it is USALatin's burden here, not ATA. They are largely marketing the flights. They are listed on ata.com only as ancillary revenue.
37 Carmenlu15 : They (well, USA Latin Sky) are marketing heavily with travel agencies, making their flights available through the GDS and offering higher commissions
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