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User currently offlineTWA1985 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 649 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 5787 times:

Hi Everyone,

I have a quick question. When did Capitol cease passenger operations?

I read in another post that the Capitol was on the verge of bankruptct in December of 1985, yet my January 1985 OAG shows the carriers status as "Temporarily Suspended."

The link to the forum where I read this is below (It is the last post).

Arrow Air Crash At YQX In 1985 (by BA84 Jul 15 2006 in Civil Aviation)?threadid=2879487&searchid=2880439&s=%22Capitol+International+Airways%22#ID2880439

Anyhow, the post read... "I remember this crash quite well, I was a F/A at Capitol International Airways and we were on the verge of bankruptcy when N950JW went down at YQX. "

So did the carrier resume operations later in 1985, or was this just an incorrect recollection?

When did Capitol cease operations?

I would also appreciate any other information you could give me on Capitol.


Thanks in advance,

TWA1985

[Edited 2008-01-11 16:44:16]

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User currently onlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24906 posts, RR: 22
Reply 1, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 5768 times:

This site may be of interest. Note the "history" link near the top. It says they ceased operations in 1984.
http://www.geocities.com/cian907cl/capitolair.html


User currently offlineTWA1985 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 649 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 5763 times:

I also found these photos in the database, both from January of 1985:


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Photo © Sunbird Photos by Don Boyd




Yet, I read on WIkipedia.com that Capitol ceased operations in 1984, which would make both the above post and these photos innacurate. Can someone clarify this?



Thanks.


User currently offlineTWA1985 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 649 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 5766 times:

I don't mean your post in innacurate Viscount724, when I posted the second post I didn't realize you replied yet.

TWA1985


User currently offlineNa747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 120 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 5751 times:

Hi TWA1985,

I cannot remember when they discontinued pax svc. But I do say it was in the mid 80s.
I flew them them once, roundtrip, between MIA/SJU in May'84 on a DC-8-63 if not mistaken.
I still have the original tkt receipt, the MIA bagtag, and the hand-written boarding passes.
Looking at the tkt, I paid $263.20 roundtrip...included was a $2.20 fuel surcharge and a $3.00 tax!
Boy, those were the days!
IIRC, that flight orig/term in ORD.
I had an acquaintance who worked at their City Tkt Office in SJU and I remember him being so busy all the time ticketing all those customers, always alone in that office.

[Edited 2008-01-11 16:58:16]

User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13040 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 5737 times:

I recall that Capitol operated scheduled passenger flights from JFK to Chicago, Las Vegas, LAX and other points in the USA at very cheap prices ($99 each way JFK-LAS for example) in the early 1980's to about 1984. I remember a co-worker of mine who had purchased tickets on them several months before their flight date and they going out of scheduled pax business in the meantime.

User currently offlineTWA1985 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 649 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 5705 times:

Thanks everyone! Na747, how was their inflight service?

TWA1985


User currently offlineNA747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 120 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5641 times:



Quoting TWA1985 (Reply 6):
Na747, how was their inflight service?

Well, back in the days when "full service" was the norm, their service was very basic: IIRC we were served a cold/stale sandwich, the cabin was clean but seats/tray tables were pretty banged up & old. I don't recall the flight crew out in the cabin much. I'm relatively short (5'6") and my knees virtually touched the seat in front of me --quite uncomfortable. The first leg left MIA on time while the return leg from SJU was about half hour late. I remember the gate agt in SJU being a bit cranky/stressed out and her hair was all over the place.
But I must say that it was fun flying in a DC8 since this has been one of my all time favorite aircrafts.

On a side note, I also got the chance to fly Arrow Air DC8s between MIA/SJU in the 80s. Very similar service to Capitol. Arrow Air also provided pax svcs for a short time.


User currently offlineIvo From Belgium, joined Sep 2000, 470 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5622 times:

I flew them in 1981 from Brussel transatlantic to JFK with DC 8, and then on to LAX with DC10-10 ex Western,

I' am trying to find a photo, but no luke,

Ivo


User currently offlineJetdude From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 81 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 5515 times:

Hey TWA1985! Thanks for remembering Capitol! I was a FA for them in 81/82 and had a blast! But, after my third furlough, I looked for work elsewhere.

Here is some info.

We flew the DC10-10 with 360 pax and the stretch 8 with 252 pax, and less pax on the smaller 8s.

We were based in JFK and flew to Europe, the Caribbean and the US.

The food was actually pretty good, hot meals on all flights except for a sandwich basket with free wine on the ORD-JFK flight, and on the DC10 with 360 we had to hussle! On our Zurich flights we did full linen/steak/cordial etc, basically a full first class service, by hand to all 252 pax on board. We worked hard but it was fun!

On a basic transcon we did a full coach service to all pax, for $99 ow-that is why we crammed them in

We also had movies/music etc on all planes.

So for your question. CL did officially go down in 84, however the names was resurrected for a short time, operating for about 1 year doing the NY-FL runs with 727s.

Keep in mind that CL flew charters for almost 43 years before going sched in 1980.

Hope this helps. BTW CL was a great airline to work for. Our minimum layover was 24 hours even domestically. Maybe that is one reason they went under!


User currently offlineTWA1985 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 649 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 5486 times:

Thanks Jetdude- A very interesting read!

I am not sure if you will know this, but when did the Capitol name get resurrected? Also, did the airline cease operations in early or late 1984?

Thanks Again!

TWA1985


User currently offlineJetdude From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 81 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 5460 times:

IIRC Capitol went down in the fall of 84. As for the resurrection, I didn't know that they even existed for years afterwards. I have an emergency card and met a gal that worked for them, but I don't remember the dates. Sorry!

They did keep the same red/white/blue paint job that most hated, but I loved!


User currently offlineClipper707 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 99 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 5433 times:

Hey jetdude, Did you happen to know Pete Smith while at Capitol?
I worked in DTW for CL as a flight rep. I took many trips to LAS while working.
I remember the last flight out of DTW, It was in late 1984. Good memories and good people.

Clipper707



The Clippers Gone But Not Forgotten
User currently offlineCV990 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 5394 times:

Hi!

CAPITOL was a very popular airline in Portugal, they used to fly lot's of charters from USA to LIS, normally with many emigrants or US citizens with portuguese background. I remember seeing during some years their DC-8's, the Super Sixties and the old "diesel" ones. It was always a great sight to see their planes arriving and taking of from our airport in a nice warm day.
I always enjoyed a lot their livery with the dark blue, gave a very distinctive aspect to the planes, the latter ones were OK but didn't have the same effect, well at least to me. Yes CAPITOL, the "summer airline" like we used to say here in Portugal!!!


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Regards


User currently offlinePRAirbus From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2005, 1131 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 5351 times:

Capitol also flew JFK-SJU on DC10s in the 1980s.

User currently offlineJetdude From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 81 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 5318 times:

Hey all! This is great. I was so fond of Capitol!

I don't remember Pete Smith. Was he a FA?

I did two trips to Portugal, what a fantastic city! IIRC our lay over there was 2 days on both trips!

The only issue was the language problem. None of the FAs spoke Portuguese and almost none of the passengers spoke english. Yet it all worked out fine. On both trips we ferried over from the east coast.

Those old 8s were great and we only had a few that had bins vs the hat racks, the pull down movie screens in the middle of the aisle and the old projectors. Those were the days!

The 10's usually flew to LA non stop and the JFK-ORD-LAX trips along with Brussels and SJU.

AHHH, the good old days!


User currently offlineIvo From Belgium, joined Sep 2000, 470 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 5311 times:

Striking c/s

I flew this one from Lax to JFK in 1981

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/288893/M/

Ivo


User currently offlineJetdude From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 81 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 5295 times:

The DC-10 was my fav, especially 904/905 both former Western. 910/911 were from Laker and IIRC we paced 380 into those. I don't remember is that is the exact number, I just remember that there were MORE pax. OUCH!

User currently offlineCV990 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 5276 times:

Hi!

Quoting Jetdude (Reply 15):
I did two trips to Portugal, what a fantastic city! IIRC our lay over there was 2 days on both trips!

Great to know that!!! I probably saw your plane landing at LIS! Do you remember when that was? Yes Lisbon it's a great place with lot's of nice things to see and do, and with a 2 days lay-over would give you a good amount of time to "feel" the city!

Quoting Jetdude (Reply 15):
The only issue was the language problem. None of the FAs spoke Portuguese and almost none of the passengers spoke english. Yet it all worked out fine.

That's very interesting what you said...I'm sure that you used a lot sign language but normally portuguese people have good behaviour!
Regards


User currently offlineNA747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 120 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 5247 times:

TWA1985:

Looking at the ticket jacket I still have, it shows the following cities that were served on a scheduled basis:
LAX / ORD / JFK / BOS / PHL / MIA / FRA / BRU / POP / BQN / SJU

Unable to tell you any charter cities, though.


User currently offlineJetdude From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 81 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 5228 times:

We did many charters to Oslo, Lisbon, London and Vegas. These were during the scheduled years. We also did a "round the world" charter once a year. Never got to work that or the Haj.

User currently offlineTWA1985 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 649 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 5188 times:

Thanks for all the information everyone!

Hey Jetdude, what were the aircraft interiors like? Also, what did the crew uniforms look like?

TWA1985


User currently offlineJetset From Canada, joined Jun 2001, 351 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 5188 times:

I remember seeing the $ky $aver DC10 rotating off YQX many times.
I do say a great paint scheme in it's day. No mistake what country Capitol was from.
Rgds/Jetset


User currently offlineJetdude From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 81 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks ago) and read 5171 times:

OK, the interior of the 8's IIRC the seats were a blue color, I will have to check out my pictures. The 10's from Western still had the western interior, blue/red/purple flowered seats, the laker seats were more yellow/green flowers.

The uniforms were either rust colored or beigh, 3 piece suit type. You can see pictures of them on http://www.uniformfreak.com/index2a.html .


User currently offlineJohnJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1656 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks ago) and read 5151 times:

Capitol's HQ was in Smyrna, TN. I'd always thought this was one of those operations where the HQ and operations were disconnected, but upon researching this subject I learned that their maintenance was handled out of Smyrna as well, so obviously their aircraft made it into the Nashville area regularly. I assume this operation was run out of MQY vs. BNA?

25 GRIVely : In December 1965 when I was in the Army and stationed at the Defense Language Institute in Monterey, CA I flew a Capitol Airlines chartered Constellat
26 Dc863 : Jetdude you must certainly know Ron Ezparza who worked for Capitol at SJU. Ron used to work for Caribair and EA there.
27 Jetdude : Unfortunately, being a FA we never really got to know people on the ground. I knew many people in LA and JFK, but that was about it.
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