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Any Airline Seeking Used 747 To Do Pass. Service?  
User currently offlineJAM747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 550 posts, RR: 1
Posted (6 years 3 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 5336 times:

As more airlines replace the 747 with 777, A380, A340, A350 etc are there any airlines looking for 747s to carry passengers. I know that most of the 747s that are being replaced, are being converted to freighters but I wonder if there are some airlines that cannot afford new planes or wait for them are seeking used 747s especially the 744 to do pass. service. Thanks.

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User currently offlineMEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4264 posts, RR: 34
Reply 1, posted (6 years 3 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 5329 times:

some airlines like Oasis Hong Kong, Corsair (TUIfly France), Atlanta Iceland, Mahan Air, Air India and El Al have picked up 2nd hand 747-400s lately to add to their fleet, you can expect this to continue for a while, with the smaller airlines which don't have money for new aircraft like Orient Thai wanting to replace their older fuel guzzlers, and other airlines who want to expand but for now new deliveries will take a few years.


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User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (6 years 3 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 5320 times:



Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 1):
some airlines like Oasis Hong Kong, Corsair (TUIfly France), Atlanta Iceland, Mahan Air, Air India and El Al have picked up 2nd hand 747-400s lately to add to their fleet,

Also Transaero and there is a rumor about S7. With the delivery of more T7s, A340s, and A380s there will be more 744s on the market, which will lower their price and make them more attractive. There is enough demand for planes currently.


User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (6 years 3 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 5314 times:

Right now I know of no airline pulling 747's from service..............unless they are older -200 or -300's and those are going to the scrapper or freight service

[Edited 2008-01-12 06:02:41]


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User currently offline2175301 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 1022 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 3 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 5219 times:

I am sure that it all depends on the age and condition of the aircraft.

747s in good condition and with good remaining life will be acquired for use by others.... Just as any other vehicle in good condition and good remaining life will be utilized.

At a certain condition/remaining life points only the cargo companies or perhaps a special interest party will be interested (AKA - limited use private/business jet).

The rest will just be scrapped.


User currently offlineAcelanzarote From Spain, joined Nov 2005, 814 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 3 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 5162 times:

Have all of the South African 747-400's found new homes?

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User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7026 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (6 years 3 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 5156 times:



Quoting Thorben (Reply 2):
there is a rumor about S7.

Ugghh this will be an ugly looking aircraft.



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User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8200 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (6 years 3 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 5077 times:

The 747 is not well suited to most charter work. It is simply too big. A charter configuration is around 475 seats. Not many operations can support that.

So, the aging 744's real future appears to lie in Asian LCCs. There are too many seats for USA or European LCCs to make much use of an increasing number of 744s.

It will be interesting to see what the next few years have in store for 744's. I think the 747 Classic is all but dead in passenger service already, but the 744 has potential.


User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 29670 posts, RR: 84
Reply 8, posted (6 years 3 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 5045 times:
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Late model 747-400 values continue to trend upward, so there must be demand...

User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8625 posts, RR: 15
Reply 9, posted (6 years 3 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 4992 times:



Quoting EMBQA (Reply 3):
Right now I know of no airline pulling 747's from service....

ANA, SQ, and JL all are doing just that as new 777's on board. Cathay might be doing that once they have a sufficinet fleet of 773ER a/c.

Hunter



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User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (6 years 3 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 4961 times:



Quoting Acelanzarote (Reply 5):
Have all of the South African 747-400's found new homes?

One is with Transaero.

Quoting Columba (Reply 6):
Ugghh this will be an ugly looking aircraft.

Not from my perspective.


User currently offlineQantas744ER From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1280 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (6 years 3 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 4469 times:



Quoting Thorben (Reply 10):
Quoting Acelanzarote (Reply 5):
Have all of the South African 747-400's found new homes?

One is with Transaero.

CX converted a couple of the RR powered ones to BCF's.

Leo



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User currently offlineWarren747sp From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1136 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 3 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 4430 times:

Who is CI selling their 2 passenger 744 to?


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User currently offlineKLMD11L From New Zealand, joined Dec 2007, 121 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 3 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 4302 times:



Quoting Columba (Reply 6):
Quoting Thorben (Reply 2):
there is a rumor about S7.

Ugghh this will be an ugly looking aircraft.

I don't think so!!  no  Hope this rumor will be realized!  crossfingers   bouncy 



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User currently offlineCX747 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4445 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (6 years 3 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 4219 times:

As an earlier poster stated, the 744's value has risen in the past few years. They are extemely sought after as carriers move them from passenger service to freighter duty.


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User currently offlineXtoler From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 952 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 3 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 4061 times:



Quoting Columba (Reply 6):
Quoting Thorben (Reply 2):
there is a rumor about S7.

Ugghh this will be an ugly looking aircraft.

Yes, but it would be an interesting sight. I'm still trying to picture what it would actually look like.



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User currently offlineECONOMICS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (6 years 3 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 4007 times:



Quoting Flighty (Reply 7):
The 747 is not well suited to most charter work. It is simply too big. A charter configuration is around 475 seats. Not many operations can support that.

So, the aging 744's real future appears to lie in Asian LCCs. There are too many seats for USA or European LCCs to make much use of an increasing number of 744s.

It will be interesting to see what the next few years have in store for 744's. I think the 747 Classic is all but dead in passenger service already, but the 744 has potential.

Didn't European(EAAC) make a lot of money out of the 742's they purchased from BA straight after SEP 11 ?


User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9375 posts, RR: 52
Reply 17, posted (6 years 3 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3985 times:



Quoting EMBQA (Reply 3):
Right now I know of no airline pulling 747's from service

Singapore Airlines and South African Airways have been selling 744s. Air Canada completely removed 744s from service a few years ago. I don't know what other airlines have been doing though.



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User currently offlineECONOMICS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (6 years 3 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3875 times:



Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 17):
Quoting EMBQA (Reply 3):
Right now I know of no airline pulling 747's from service

Singapore Airlines and South African Airways have been selling 744s. Air Canada completely removed 744s from service a few years ago. I don't know what other airlines have been doing though.

R there any still parked in CA/NV desert ?


User currently offlineYWGfarmer From Canada, joined May 2007, 38 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 3 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3595 times:

Does anyone know what QF is intending to do with their 744's once the A380's start rolling in?

User currently offlineGarethW From New Zealand, joined Apr 2006, 308 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 3 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3547 times:



Quoting YWGfarmer (Reply 19):
Does anyone know what QF is intending to do with their 744's once the A380's start rolling in?

Some will replace their 743s doinr transcon SYD-PER-SYD and MEL-PER-SYD
They will also begin new routes and extend existing routes i.e BNE-LAX-BNE going daily and new routes eg SCL are in the pipeline. I dont see QF selling or otherwise letting go of any 744s for a number of years yet.

There has been a fair bit of discussion about this in the Australian Aviation thread so Im sure there are others out there in a better position to comment further.

GW



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User currently offlineAsteriskceo From United States of America, joined May 2004, 453 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 3 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3433 times:



Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 17):
Singapore Airlines and South African Airways have been selling 744s. Air Canada completely removed 744s from service a few years ago. I don't know what other airlines have been doing though.

What's the reason behind these moves? Fuel efficiency?


User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5191 posts, RR: 11
Reply 22, posted (6 years 3 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3362 times:



Quoting Asteriskceo (Reply 21):
Singapore Airlines and South African Airways have been selling 744s. Air Canada completely removed 744s from service a few years ago. I don't know what other airlines have been doing though.


What's the reason behind these moves? Fuel efficiency?

SQ like to keep a young fleet, their 744 PAX fleet peaked at 41 but has been shrinking since 2003, it is now 19. SQ are taking 77W's and A380's to replace the last 744's which will leave aroind 2011.

SAA are in financial disaray and decided to replace the 744's along with cutting some routes I think they took back 3 leased out A343's.

AF are another one, they will replace their remaining 744's with 77W's over the next 4 years.

NZ will start retiring theirs in about 3 years and will all be gone in about 5 years sadly, though by then many 744's worldwide will be over 20 years old.


User currently offlineAsteriskceo From United States of America, joined May 2004, 453 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 3 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2354 times:

With all of these airlines beginning to phase out the 744, I wonder if and when there is going to be a demand for the 748i.

User currently offlineMEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4264 posts, RR: 34
Reply 24, posted (6 years 3 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2270 times:



Quoting Asteriskceo (Reply 23):
With all of these airlines beginning to phase out the 744, I wonder if and when there is going to be a demand for the 748i

Some airlines which withdraw the 744s have no interest for the 748, they already have replacement planned, either 77Ws (KLM, Air New Zealand), A-380s (Qantas) or both (Singapore, Air France).
There are only a few airlines left which are potential 748i buyers, like China Airlines, some airlines on mainland China etc.
So there is not an automatic link between the phasing out of the 744 and the demand for the 748i, especially now the A-380 seem to be a viable aircraft in the end.



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