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Air NZ To Boost Fleet With Two Boeing 737s  
User currently offlineJerseyFlyer From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 634 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 5358 times:

This is a little odd as i thought they were replacing B737s with A320s.

http://www.reuters.com/article/rbssI...tilitiesNews/idUSSYD25997020080111

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User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8664 posts, RR: 15
Reply 1, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 5262 times:

What model are they? They already have some young 733's so it is no big deal as they already compliment the fleet if they are 733's. If they are another model, it is a total waste as it can cause havoc on dispatchers and crew scheduling.

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User currently offlineDavidByrne From New Zealand, joined Sep 2007, 1633 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 5051 times:

Yes, the report I saw specifically mentioned HLZ, PMR, DUD and IVC as being the ports from which the two-plus additional provincial ports woudl be selected. Sounds VERY much to me like a pre-emptive move against DJ and the possibility that they will allocate E-jets to NZ provincial routes at some time in the future. And (I hope) strengthens the possibility that NZ itself may buy E-jets to serve both the longer provincial routes but (most importantly) to allow competitive frequencies out of HLZ and DUD (and also boost WLG's frequencies) on the Tasman routes.


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User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4805 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 4963 times:

The domestic market in NZL seems to be growing quite strongly and apart from the Q300 fleet NZ hasn't really had much capacity growth domestically until recently with the thompson 733 etc.

I think it is possible that NZ could operate BOTH Q400 and RJ. I don't think this will happen until the 733/A320 replacement happens but in the meantime one of the 2 could be introduced...most likely the Q400 for my money... just makes sense as it fits straight in with the existing Q300 and is cheap to operate. It will still be some time before meaningful domestic competition also so NZ doesn't need to rush a decision regarding introducing RJ.
Right now I'm sitting in YVR having just flowing on an AC E190... have to say I was quite impressed... Not quite the Boeing strong tough aircraft feel.... very light plasticy Airbus like feel but it was quiet, comfortable (the legroom was more than what most longhaul aircraft have (I'd guess it had 32" pitch and the seats sure felt wider than 744/737 seats). Only downside was that overhead stowage space was pretty pathetic (no trolley bags up there! but the seats were slightly higher than normal so lots of room underneath for bags). Quick and have to say that the touchsceen tvs were nice... TR with pics to come soon.



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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12082 posts, RR: 18
Reply 4, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 4949 times:
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Quoting JerseyFlyer (Thread starter):
This is a little odd as i thought they were replacing B737s with A320s.

A320s were only ordered to replace the B737s on Trans-Tasman and the Pacific Island flights Except Norfolk Island and Niue. Apparantly NZ isn't impressed with the A320s, and B73G will be ordered as a B733 replacement and B738s as an A320 replacement.

Quoting DavidByrne (Reply 2):
Yes, the report I saw specifically mentioned HLZ, PMR, DUD and IVC as being the ports from which the two-plus additional provincial ports woudl be selected

DUD already has all the B733 flights it can have, and the news media have removed DUD from their articles. DUD-CHC simply won't happen as it would be way more expensive to use a B737 on that route. The extra B737s are for domestic flying only, and will be used of rush hour flights to TWO regional airports, so HLZ, PMR and IVC will fight it out. IMHO IVC is the looser here due to no AVSEC or X-ray machines, so won't get any B737s anytime soon.

Quoting DavidByrne (Reply 2):
to allow competitive frequencies out of HLZ and DUD (and also boost WLG's frequencies) on the Tasman routes.

If more frequency is required on Tasman, then it would currently be with A320s. Remember one of NZs A320s that left the fleet last year, is coming back this year, so there is an extra A320 there

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 3):
having just flowing on an AC E190... have to say I was quite impressed

I flew a UA E170 last year from IAD-JFK and I loved it. I found it 100% better then the B737 and A320s. I'm booked on a US E175 in August, so I'm looking forward to another Ejet flight. If E-jets are offered on domestic services here, then I would choose one over a B737/A320, but only if the schedule/price works. Would love both DJ and NZ to operate them here. Maybe QF could use them or the B717 for their domestic flights here and greatly improve frequencys and their reputation


User currently offlineAFGMEL From Australia, joined Jul 2007, 744 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 4931 times:

I am puzzled. NZ has such a diverse fleet for such a small airline.

From what I can gather B747-400 , B777-300ER , B777-200ER , B787, B767-300ER , Airbus A320, B737-300 , ATR72-500 , Q300, Beech1900D once some of those are delivered. Are they retiring the 747s? As they are mostly Boeing, why not get rid of A320s etc. As for regional, surely they can simplify. Must cost a fortune to maintain that lot.



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User currently offlineKLMD11L From New Zealand, joined Dec 2007, 123 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 4882 times:



Quoting AFGMEL (Reply 5):
I am puzzled. NZ has such a diverse fleet for such a small airline.

From what I can gather B747-400 , B777-300ER , B777-200ER , B787, B767-300ER , Airbus A320, B737-300 , ATR72-500 , Q300, Beech1900D once some of those are delivered. Are they retiring the 747s? As they are mostly Boeing, why not get rid of A320s etc. As for regional, surely they can simplify. Must cost a fortune to maintain that lot.

The 777-300ER & 787 will replace the 747-400 & 767 respectively, The 773ER & 772ER obviously have a lot in common!

The props & A320s are operated by NZ subsidiaries, Air Nelson, Zeal320, etc...



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User currently offlineRwy21 From New Zealand, joined Feb 2007, 84 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4841 times:



Quoting 777ER (Reply 4):
Quoting DavidByrne (Reply 2):
Yes, the report I saw specifically mentioned HLZ, PMR, DUD and IVC as being the ports from which the two-plus additional provincial ports woudl be selected

DUD already has all the B733 flights it can have, and the news media have removed DUD from their articles. DUD-CHC simply won't happen as it would be way more expensive to use a B737 on that route. The extra B737s are for domestic flying only, and will be used of rush hour flights to TWO regional airports, so HLZ, PMR and IVC will fight it out. IMHO IVC is the looser here due to no AVSEC or X-ray machines, so won't get any B737s anytime soon.

um what exactly are you thinking when you say DUD has all the B733 flights it can have, demand, capacity?? Im going to disagree with you on this one, and definately needs the extra capacity from my experiences. Also the news media havent removed (the ones I have seen anyway) they corrected their mistake and are now saying additional B737 services to DUD. But I do agree that IVC will not be chosen simply for what you say no facilities and the fact that its easiest the smallest of the locations and will no doubt be better served with the smaller planes with more frequency. None of my recent flights have been full.


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12082 posts, RR: 18
Reply 8, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4834 times:
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Quoting AFGMEL (Reply 5):

The B773ERs are replacing the B744s, B787s will replace the B763ERs. B772ERs will be replaced by more B787s, most likly the B787-10. The B773s won't be arriving for a few more years thou. In the future the long haul fleet will be two types (B773 and B787-9/-)10.

The A320s could be going when the B733 fleet replacement is announced, but thats only if NZ order the B73G and B738s. ATRs are leaving in 2009, their replacement announcement is due in the next few months (being considered are E190, Q400s and ATR72-600s). Another option for NZ is to order the Q400 and merge Mt Cook and Air Nelson, so the Q300 and 400 operate side by side and order the E190/195, which can start new domestic routes like AKL-IVC, take over some B737 flights like WLG-CHC and operate some TT routes and increase frequencys. The 1900Ds could also be replaced by Q200s, which would mean a combined Q200, Q300 and Q400 operation by one regional airline for regional TP flights


User currently offlineECONOMICS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4829 times:



Quoting 777ER (Reply 4):
A320s were only ordered to replace the B737s on Trans-Tasman

Why aren't 733's used for TT ops anymore? Though they'd be better on thin routes like in & out of DUD once Freedom is no more.

R 733 crews paid that much more than A320(Zeal) crews?


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12082 posts, RR: 18
Reply 10, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4794 times:
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Quoting Rwy21 (Reply 7):
Quoting 777ER (Reply 4):
Quoting DavidByrne (Reply 2):
Yes, the report I saw specifically mentioned HLZ, PMR, DUD and IVC as being the ports from which the two-plus additional provincial ports woudl be selected

DUD already has all the B733 flights it can have, and the news media have removed DUD from their articles. DUD-CHC simply won't happen as it would be way more expensive to use a B737 on that route. The extra B737s are for domestic flying only, and will be used of rush hour flights to TWO regional airports, so HLZ, PMR and IVC will fight it out. IMHO IVC is the looser here due to no AVSEC or X-ray machines, so won't get any B737s anytime soon.

um what exactly are you thinking when you say DUD has all the B733 flights it can have, demand, capacity?? Im going to disagree with you on this one, and definately needs the extra capacity from my experiences.

What routes from DUD that is currently served by ATRs is long enough for a possible B737 flight, and has a possible profit oppurtunity? DUD-CHC is too short to warrent a B733 flight. Thats what I was meaning.

Quoting ECONOMICS (Reply 9):
Quoting 777ER (Reply 4):
A320s were only ordered to replace the B737s on Trans-Tasman

Why aren't 733's used for TT ops anymore? Though they'd be better on thin routes like in & out of DUD once Freedom is no more.

The main reason is basically cargo and ZEAL. ZEAL crews are basically SJ employees and are payed less and are used soly for TT due to the TT being a blood bath and the TT being a hard enviorment to operate in, in todays situations. Using ZEAL means more profit compared to NZ main line. Basically what QF is doing with JQ.

Quoting ECONOMICS (Reply 9):
R 733 crews paid that much more than A320(Zeal) crews?

As what was said above, ZEAL was created to merge NZs A320s employees and SJ crews, using SJs pay rates, which is less


User currently offlineECONOMICS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 4755 times:



Quoting 777ER (Reply 10):
Quoting ECONOMICS (Reply 9):
Quoting 777ER (Reply 4):
A320s were only ordered to replace the B737s on Trans-Tasman

Why aren't 733's used for TT ops anymore? Though they'd be better on thin routes like in & out of DUD once Freedom is no more.

The main reason is basically cargo and ZEAL. ZEAL crews are basically SJ employees and are payed less and are used soly for TT due to the TT being a blood bath and the TT being a hard enviorment to operate in, in todays situations. Using ZEAL means more profit compared to NZ main line. Basically what QF is doing with JQ.

Quoting ECONOMICS (Reply 9):
R 733 crews paid that much more than A320(Zeal) crews?

As what was said above, ZEAL was created to merge NZs A320s employees and SJ crews, using SJs pay rates, which is less

So r u saying A320's can carry more freight but apart from pay rates of NZ vs Zeal, u r not saying A320 aircraft cheaper to operate than 733 per passenger seat ?


User currently offlineJimma From Australia, joined Dec 2007, 23 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 4736 times:



Quoting 777ER (Reply 4):
Maybe QF could use them or the B717 for their domestic flights here and greatly improve frequencys and their reputation

I'd doubt you guys would want the QF 717's in NZ....

i have flown PER-BME 3 times recently, and all three times they were bad, never again will i fly in a Qantaslink would choose there 737-400/


User currently offlineRichardJF From New Zealand, joined Mar 2001, 792 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 4731 times:

Is NZ going to start flying to 44 Richard Street Springvale VIC so that they don't keep this lunatic from following me around.

User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12082 posts, RR: 18
Reply 14, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 4710 times:
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Quoting ECONOMICS (Reply 11):
So r u saying A320's can carry more freight but apart from pay rates of NZ vs Zeal, u r not saying A320 aircraft cheaper to operate than 733 per passenger seat ?

Yes the A320s carry more freight which make them better for TT routes. Yes the A320 would be cheaper to fly then the B733s. If NZ operated B737s on TT and domestic, then NZ couldn't use ZEAL because the ZEAL crews would demand the same pay rates as NZ domestic, unless domestic and TT merged to form ZEAL so B737s can be used. I can see this happening if NZ do decide to replace the A320s with B738s

Quoting Jimma (Reply 12):
Quoting 777ER (Reply 4):
Maybe QF could use them or the B717 for their domestic flights here and greatly improve frequencys and their reputation

I'd doubt you guys would want the QF 717's in NZ....

i have flown PER-BME 3 times recently, and all three times they were bad, never again will i fly in a Qantaslink would choose there 737-400/

Was it to do with the interior of the B717s or the QFLink crew. The crew operating NZ domestic is Jetconnect and are NZ based. B717s would be better for Jetconnect


User currently offlineJimma From Australia, joined Dec 2007, 23 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 4702 times:



Quoting 777ER (Reply 14):
Was it to do with the interior of the B717s or the QFLink crew. The crew operating NZ domestic is Jetconnect and are NZ based. B717s would be better for Jetconnect

the interior was shocking.... 5 abrest and the staff were pretty much running around the whole time not very friendly....

What are the flight times around NZ? the two and a half hours i spent on the 717 was way to long.....


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12082 posts, RR: 18
Reply 16, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 4681 times:
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Quoting Jimma (Reply 15):

QF is giving Jetconnects B737 fleet an interior make over due to extra competition from DJ, and as part of QFs so called 'commintment to New Zealand" by bringing the 'CityFlyer' brand here. QFs longest flight here is AKL-ZQN, which is around 1 hour and 30 mins


User currently offlineCchan From New Zealand, joined May 2003, 1759 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 4612 times:



Quoting Jimma (Reply 12):
I'd doubt you guys would want the QF 717's in NZ....

i have flown PER-BME 3 times recently, and all three times they were bad, never again will i fly in a Qantaslink would choose there 737-400/

I have flown the 717 with Bangkok Airways, very good experience, would love to fly them again.

Quoting 777ER (Reply 14):
If NZ operated B737s on TT and domestic, then NZ couldn't use ZEAL because the ZEAL crews would demand the same pay rates as NZ domestic, unless domestic and TT merged to form ZEAL so B737s can be used. I can see this happening if NZ do decide to replace the A320s with B738s

They probably need to rename the company to ZEAL 737 Ltd.

Quoting 777ER (Reply 16):
QF is giving Jetconnects B737 fleet an interior make over due to extra competition from DJ, and as part of QFs so called 'commintment to New Zealand" by bringing the 'CityFlyer' brand here. QFs longest flight here is AKL-ZQN, which is around 1 hour and 30 mins

Are those older 733s going anytime soon?!


User currently offlinePilotdude09 From Australia, joined May 2005, 1777 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 4609 times:



Quoting RichardJF (Reply 13):
Is NZ going to start flying to 44 Richard Street Springvale VIC so that they don't keep this lunatic from following me around.

 rotfl 

WTF?????

Quoting Jimma (Reply 15):
the interior was shocking.... 5 abrest and the staff were pretty much running around the whole time not very friendly....

What are the flight times around NZ? the two and a half hours i spent on the 717 was way to long.....



Quoting Jimma (Reply 12):
I'd doubt you guys would want the QF 717's in NZ....

i have flown PER-BME 3 times recently, and all three times they were bad, never again will i fly in a Qantaslink would choose there 737-400/

You serious?

I would take the 717 over the 738 anyday!, its got WAY more legroom than the 737 and is a great aircraft only down is the fact it has no IFE which i guess makes it boring but you have the window and an mp3 player  Smile

When i fly to Perth i try to get a 717 down and a 737 back, as u generally have a middle seat spare because its self check in no one picks a middle seat  Smile always find on the 717 i end up sitting next to someone.



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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12082 posts, RR: 18
Reply 19, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 4588 times:
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Quoting Cchan (Reply 17):
Quoting 777ER (Reply 16):
QF is giving Jetconnects B737 fleet an interior make over due to extra competition from DJ, and as part of QFs so called 'commintment to New Zealand" by bringing the 'CityFlyer' brand here. QFs longest flight here is AKL-ZQN, which is around 1 hour and 30 mins

Are those older 733s going anytime soon?!

The B738s recently ordered by QF are to replace all the classic B737s, so when there are enough new B738s in the QF fleet, then the older B738s will replace JetConnects fleet, unless QF decide to replace the B737s here with the B717 which is perfect for QFs NZ ops


User currently offlineRwy21 From New Zealand, joined Feb 2007, 84 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 4522 times:



Quoting 777ER (Reply 10):
um what exactly are you thinking when you say DUD has all the B733 flights it can have, demand, capacity?? Im going to disagree with you on this one, and definately needs the extra capacity from my experiences.

What routes from DUD that is currently served by ATRs is long enough for a possible B737 flight, and has a possible profit oppurtunity? DUD-CHC is too short to warrent a B733 flight. Thats what I was meaning.

..oh yep ok, id agree that DUD-CHC would be too short for all flights to be B733 but the early morning and return business flights could be potential, but hey I can see why fix it if it aint broken and almost every second flight out of CHC is an ATR at almost full loads each time with cheaper operating costs......


User currently offlineJrfspa320 From Australia, joined Sep 2005, 233 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4040 times:

Just out of interest why are NZ not happy with the 320s. On the original order didnt they order a mixture of 319/320/321, whatever happened there?

User currently offlineCchan From New Zealand, joined May 2003, 1759 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3988 times:



Quoting 777ER (Reply 19):
The B738s recently ordered by QF are to replace all the classic B737s, so when there are enough new B738s in the QF fleet, then the older B738s will replace JetConnects fleet

That could take some years, so we have to put up with the delays and cancellations for at least another year or two?!

Quoting 777ER (Reply 19):
unless QF decide to replace the B737s here with the B717 which is perfect for QFs NZ ops

It seems to me that QF will send whichever are the oldest aircrafts to NZ, so it is possible unless the 717 can be sold for good prices.

Quoting Rwy21 (Reply 20):
..oh yep ok, id agree that DUD-CHC would be too short for all flights to be B733 but the early morning and return business flights could be potential, but hey I can see why fix it if it aint broken and almost every second flight out of CHC is an ATR at almost full loads each time with cheaper operating costs......

Agree. Some of these ATRs are showing their age, and probably need a bit of renovations.


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12082 posts, RR: 18
Reply 23, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3964 times:
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Quoting Jrfspa320 (Reply 21):
Just out of interest why are NZ not happy with the 320s. On the original order didnt they order a mixture of 319/320/321, whatever happened there?

NZ apparantly arn't happy with them, cause they are MX probs, taking too much time to turn around, especially on domestic fill in runs, and are needing more man power to load/unload due to their height compared with the B733 fleet. The original order had a confirmed order for 14x A320s, with something like 10 options for the A319/20/21. NZ also had the options of changing some confirmed A320s to A319/21s if they saw a need for it.. NZs A320 options have now expired, which IMHO is a sign that no more A320s will be ordered


User currently offlineDavidByrne From New Zealand, joined Sep 2007, 1633 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3794 times:

The 136-seat 737s would mainly replace 68-seat ATR-72 turboprop aircraft on some services and also open some new routes, such as a direct Invercargill-to-Auckland link, "which had been on the table for a while", Mr Parton said.

My apologies if this has been posted before, but in this version (by Roelant van den Bergh) of the report on the reintroduction of 737s to provincial centres (remember HLZ, PMR and IVC have all had 737s before and had them taken away) it specifically mentioned the use of a 737 on a proposed IVC-AKL route. While there's been lots of chatter about the merits or otherwise of such a route in the past, this is the first time I've seen anything as specific as this from the airline itself.

Personally, I'm struggling to believe that a 737 (presumably once daily) would work on IVC-AKL - a bit too big perhaps . . . ?

All in all, though, this strategy must surely give the E-Jets a better chance of being selected as the AT7 replacement. And they might work on IVC-AKL.



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25 Post contains images Zkpilot : so to summerise what fleet is likely: 773ER (then Y3 when it becomes available) 788 789 7810 737 (possibly 2 types - eg about 100+ seats/200seats) Q4
26 Rongotai : I trhink that NZ's problem with equipment is that it has such a diverse route system for a small airline. Even internationallly it ranges from LAX-LH
27 PA515 : Perhaps the crucial detail is "a direct Invercargill-to-Auckland link", as opposed to a nonstop flight. Like a via CHC or WLG through flight. PA515
28 SunriseValley : The Beech 1900's are new. Can't see them going anywhere for quite a number of years. I argued on this list more than 2 years ago that the E190 was th
29 ZKSUJ : Apart from the Q200, is there anything in the market to replace the 1900s when the time comes for them to leave? Resaon I'm asking is because its a j
30 NZ107 : Although a non-stop flight would be good, they could bring the DUD-IVC back as an extension from AKL, or through CHC or WLG of course. But if there a
31 Post contains images FlashFlyGuy : I think the lithium dosage needs adjusting, or it could be Blackbird. What are you smoking? Nothing wrong with the 717's. In fact I preferred to fly
32 Zoltuger : I'm wondering if the introduction of 4 new 737-300's to the fleet would be an opportune time to introduce the new livery...
33 777ER : No. The best time would be when the new next generation of aircraft, NZs new fleet of B787s arrive in two years.
34 Kiwiandrew : IUE for Niue how about SCL-IPC ?
35 Georgebush : New livery will be introduced in April/May along with the new uniforms and the International Concierge position on long haul flights. I love how this
36 NZ1 : To add to that. Aircraft being painted prior to then are coming out of the paint hangar with no Pacific Wave, as it is no longer part of the airlines
37 Nzrich : I was talking to the Control tower guys a few days ago in CHC and they were saying how FRE was their favourite aircraft colour wise .. They also said
38 Sparklehorse12 : I can only guess NZ is interesting due to the modern economy, small population and it's geographic position. DJ, QF and NZ will battle it out but I t
39 Kiwiflyer791 : New livery will be introduced in April/May along with the new uniforms and the International Concierge position on long haul flights. So I take it if
40 777ER : I was getting the impression over the last few months that the new livery was going to be a big change, and not just a remove this item and change th
41 Rongotai : New Zealand has the highest per capita domestic air trips of any country, it is the most (along with Australia) air travel dependent for overseas tra
42 Pilotdude09 : Travel has never been cheaper! and for people coming home to NZ its cheap. Wages in Australia are alot better than in NZ as well so people are able t
43 Alangirvan : We need these highly paid people to return to Dunedin and spend their money in this city. Do not even bother spending the money anywhere else. Auckla
44 DavidByrne : . . . and that means that any sector within NZ would be accessible by E-jet from NSN, even off the short runway. I truly can't imagine that they woul
45 Rongotai : I agree. I remember when there was an 06.00 IVC 737 departure to DUD-WLG, the IVC-DUD sector was less than 20 minutes and the flight never topped FL1
46 NZ107 : Ok, then instead you chuck the 733 on an AKL-CHC-IVC flight and use the ATR72 on the CHC-DUD-IVC route instead? I'm sure things have changed over the
47 DavidByrne : Yes, if there's any 737 flight from IVC, my guess is that it would be a morning flight IVC-CHC-AKL - seems the only realistic possibility for a viabl
48 Alangirvan : Or passengers get out of their AKL-DUD plane and do a change of plane onto a service operated by Mainland. Maybe a J31
49 Zkpilot : Um... thats not my quote... someone else said that... but it is true to a certain extent... Well newish... but they do rack up a lot of cycles and ar
50 Pilotdude09 : Yes, been on the tour and been to the restaraunt several times aswell, wouldnt go back either last 2 times i was there the food was absolute shit! Sh
51 Alangirvan : Speights Ale House in Wanaka is better - does Lamb Shanks and staff are nice.
52 Georgebush : They are installing "Data Link" on all Eagle Air's planes (B1900's). This will enable central dispatch in AKL to send flight releases to crew's. Curr
53 Post contains images NZ1 : This IS Air NZ we're talking about here. Sometimes they will spend $2 to save $1. If you get my drift. I have (or anyone else) never said it was goin
54 ECONOMICS : what about in ZQN ? If NZ 737 crews cost more than NZ 320 crews(Zeal) shouldn't NZ push 737 crews into Zeal especially with increased domestic compet
55 777ER : That house in now in London
56 Post contains images Rwy21 : Yep all good too.. Speaking of nuts so is flying IVC to OZ..., and yeah you do have to pay speeding fines even if your Australian Be good if you didn
57 ECONOMICS : IVC is perfect back door to Queenstown where many Australians want to go. IVC is 100kms closer to ZQN than DUD & it's a much straighter road, 99 mile
58 Nzrich : Not that easy at the moment Zeal and Air NZ are separate companies and so the crews cant operate together .. Ie 733 NZ crew cant operate the Zeal A32
59 ECONOMICS : yes but you forget we're heading into a major world recession & many thousands of pilots all over the world are going to lose their jobs, so like a c
60 Post contains images ZKSUJ : Very nice analogy there...
61 SunriseValley : I should have made it clear that I was referring to the E190. The E195 might but the payload "hit" would be considerable, I would expect.
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