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Air Canada Cutting Back LHR Services  
User currently offlineZuluTime From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 169 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 11059 times:

It looks like Air Canada are cutting back from 5 x daily LHR-YYZ to 4 x daily for Summer 2008 and cutting back LHR-YUL from 2 x daily to 1 x daily flights.

The Air Canada website only shows four daily YYZ and one daily YUL services despite them operating one more on each route over the last few years in the summer season.

Are they selling the LHR slots? As far as I can tell, the slots which no longer exist are peak-time morning LHR operations.

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User currently offlineRdwootty From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2005, 904 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 11037 times:

I suspect the problem with YUL is language...They speak French!!!
Joking apart, with the fuel costs , I think they could easily fit all the passengers for YYZ into the four flights and save a whole operation of crew, plane and fuel


User currently offlineAlbird87 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 11006 times:

Maybe the slot is being used elsewhere for a Star Alliance partner or may the bidding war for the slot begin!!
Do AC have a non stop flight to Vancouver?? I would think they would but maybe that slot could be used to start that up.


User currently offlineThreepoint From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 2147 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 10964 times:



Quoting Albird87 (Reply 2):
Do AC have a non stop flight to Vancouver?? I would think they would but maybe that slot could be used to start that up.

They have served LHR-YVR nonstop for years and years and years.
I imagine AC won't be relinquishing too many Heathrow slots anytime soon.



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User currently offlineConnies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 4066 posts, RR: 13
Reply 4, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 10940 times:



Quoting Albird87 (Reply 2):
Do AC have a non stop flight to Vancouver??

2X daily,, as well as YYC (2x), YEG (1x), YOW (1x), and YHZ (1x).
I think of the North American airlines serving LHR, AC is #2 after AA.
Possibly the a/c that would have offered the additional flights to LHR are being redeployed
to more profitable routes. YYZ - CAN might be one.



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User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9661 posts, RR: 52
Reply 5, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 10781 times:



Quoting Albird87 (Reply 2):
Maybe the slot is being used elsewhere for a Star Alliance partner or may the bidding war for the slot begin!!

AC has leased slots for LHR operations. I believe that they have at least one LHR slot that they lease from UA. AC could just be returning a slot to UA. I think that I've read that UA has slots on lease to both AC and LH.



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User currently offlineRP TPA From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 852 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 10662 times:

I'm looking at our reservations system now, specifically the peak summer season (July/Aug 2008) It indicates the following:

CITY # of daily flts to LHR Acft type
YYZ 4 (2) 77W and (2) 763
YUL 2 Both 763
YOW 1 763
YHZ 1 763
YYC 2 333/763
YEG 1 763
YVR 2 333/763

I believe this is very similar to last year, except that this year they are going from 5 YYZ flights to 4 (using 2 B777's so there isnt much of a capacity change). So, it seems that there is a total of one less flight. Not sure what they're doing with that slot.


User currently offlinePnwtraveler From Canada, joined Jun 2007, 2244 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 9892 times:

Many people continue to avoid LHR just because of congestion issues. People are tired of missing connecting flights. As other alternatives continue to become available I think people will take advantage of them. LHR has been soft for a number of airlines while record loads are happening. Certainly this is the case with AC. From YYZ to the UK we have AC, Zoom, Thomas Cook (2), BA (3x daily), plus other charters. I believe Virgin will return when they are able (787 likely). That is a lot of capacity from YYZ alone not to mention all the other Canadian airports with service.

User currently offlineECONOMICS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 9214 times:

sounds like the Zoom's & Air Transat's policy of getting people to where they actually want to go is working. Who wants to pass thru congested LHR if have to connect thru to somewhere else ?

User currently offlineMilan320 From Canada, joined Jan 2005, 869 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 8869 times:

Now if there was only a direct fligh from say YYZ, YUL or YVR to CPH. I know SK has one from SEA to CPH, but problem is when I sometimes visit family in YEG, there is no such connection, YEG-SEA-CPH.
Although the YEG-LHR route is good, the transfer at LHR is a nightmare.
/Milan320



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User currently offlineARNYEG From Sweden, joined Aug 2007, 39 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 8452 times:



Quoting Milan320 (Reply 9):
Now if there was only a direct flight from say YYZ, YUL or YVR to CPH. I know SK has one from SEA to CPH, but problem is when I sometimes visit family in YEG, there is no such connection, YEG-SEA-CPH.
Although the YEG-LHR route is good, the transfer at LHR is a nightmare.

I'll take LHR-YEG any day than doing ARN-ORD-YEG with a 8 hour wait in ORD that I had to do last time SK had a strike. I agree tho, LHR is a mess but it at least servers YEG direct. Which reminds me, there where roumers of a direct connection between FRA and YEG befor. Any more word on that?


User currently offlineMilan320 From Canada, joined Jan 2005, 869 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 7913 times:



Quoting ARNYEG (Reply 10):
Which reminds me, there where roumers of a direct connection between FRA and YEG befor. Any more word on that?

Do a search, it has been discussed, but what the conclusions are, I have no clue.
Frankly FRA, with that long rainbow tunnel, is also a pain for transfers  Wink
YEG-MUC would be better  Smile
/Milan320



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User currently offlineFLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 7055 times:



Quoting ZuluTime (Thread starter):
It looks like Air Canada are cutting back from 5 x daily LHR-YYZ to 4 x daily for Summer 2008

The fifth flight was the supplemental "leisure" 767-200 (sold as all Y/C) flight during the summer peak. Given the added lift with the two - 777's, available daily seats are almost the same. Given all of the security and baggage restrictions at LHR, poeple were shifting away from that airport, however now that they've been relaxed, the 5th flight might return for the summer. Summer schedules are still being tinkered with.



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User currently offlineAbrelosojos From Venezuela, joined May 2005, 5100 posts, RR: 55
Reply 13, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 6983 times:



Quoting Albird87 (Reply 2):
Do AC have a non stop flight to Vancouver??

= LOL. Have you been to BC? Huge parts of it make me wonder who is in power ... the Queen or the Canadian PM  Wink.

Cheers,
A.

PS: A YVR link to LHR has been maintained for like forever.



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User currently offlineJetSetter629 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 439 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 6520 times:

Is the AC A319 YYT-LHR returning?

User currently offlineVonRichtofen From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 4627 posts, RR: 36
Reply 15, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 6401 times:



Quoting ECONOMICS (Reply 8):
sounds like the Zoom's & Air Transat's policy of getting people to where they actually want to go is working. Who wants to pass thru congested LHR if have to connect thru to somewhere else ?

People want to go to Gatwick? Does Transat fly to places like CPH, ARN, DXB etc. etc?

Trust me, Air Transat's intermittent, never on-time services to Europe are not the cause of dropping one flight.



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User currently offlineCXA330300 From South Africa, joined May 2004, 1563 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 6401 times:

Perhaps one of the slots might be going to BMI for transat. services?

Quoting JetSetter629 (Reply 14):
Is the AC A319 YYT-LHR returning?

Evidently not, according to an earlier post.



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User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3399 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 6160 times:

Could these two slots possible have belonged to SAS? SAS is adding a 7th CPH-LHR and their Finnish subsidiary Blue1 is starting HEL-LHR (using a MD-90) and I have no idea where these to extra slots came from av SAS isn't reducing frequencies from other destination, but are increasing from 21 to 23 daily (inc 1 Blue1 flight)

User currently offlineManu From Canada, joined Dec 2004, 406 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 6000 times:



Quoting Pnwtraveler (Reply 7):
Many people continue to avoid LHR just because of congestion issues. People are tired of missing connecting flights. As other alternatives continue to become available I think people will take advantage of them.

I avoid LHR for a number of reasons, not to mention a lack of connection flights further East on *A. I am finding myself more often in FRA now for Middle East and Eastern Asia destinations from YYZ. One stop to most destinations can't be beat with LF and AC combined. I just wish the 744's LF has would be upgraded to include better on-demand inflight services.


User currently offlineGilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 3032 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 5999 times:



Quoting RP TPA (Reply 6):
YYZ 4 (2) 77W and (2) 763

Seeing as two the daily flights to YYZ are 777-300's, there is barely any reduction in seat numbers... The 777-300 holds 120pax more than the 763 and 70 more than the 333/343's.

If the flights are evenly spread out accross the day, they can make up the gap in the reduction. I think it is a very wise move by AC and frees up a 763 to operate another route...

Also flights between the UK and Canada during the summer months is absolutely cut throat, as AC and BA have to compete with the non tradtional LCC airlines across the Atlantic likes of Zoom, Fly Globespan, Air Transat and Thomas Cook Airlines. While airlines to the USA are only competing with the traditional Legacy carriers.


User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4922 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 5704 times:



Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 5):
Quoting Albird87 (Reply 2):
Maybe the slot is being used elsewhere for a Star Alliance partner or may the bidding war for the slot begin!!

AC has leased slots for LHR operations. I believe that they have at least one LHR slot that they lease from UA. AC could just be returning a slot to UA. I think that I've read that UA has slots on lease to both AC and LH.

Could be the slot for DEN?

Quoting ECONOMICS (Reply 8):
sounds like the Zoom's & Air Transat's policy of getting people to where they actually want to go is working. Who wants to pass thru congested LHR if have to connect thru to somewhere else ?

You do know Air Transat serve LHR  Wink



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User currently offlineZuluTime From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 169 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 5680 times:

I thought the United slot for DEN was one which was on loan to Etihad and which they had got back. I guess the AC slots might be involved in this somehow, either for United or Etihad.

User currently offlineAircanada014 From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 1513 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 5585 times:



Quoting Manu (Reply 18):
One stop to most destinations can't be beat with LF and AC combined. I just wish the 744's LF has would be upgraded to include better on-demand inflight services.

I think you meant to say LH not LF for Lufthansa


User currently offlineConnector4you From Canada, joined May 2001, 932 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 5585 times:



Quoting Gilesdavies (Reply 19):
AC and BA have to compete with the non tradtional LCC airlines across the Atlantic likes of Zoom, Fly Globespan, Air Transat and Thomas Cook Airlines

Somehow true but . . . only for O & D passengers not for connecting pax beyond London. Those connecting pax would have no choice but fly AC or BA as they are currently the ones and only airlines operating into Heathrow from Vancouver. Obviously Heathrow is THE AIRPORT that currently features the largest array of connecting flights out of UK.

For instance all of the above mentioned "LCC" would typically charge a YVR-LHR (early spring - late fall) anywhere from 850 to 1100 Canadian dollars, while AC and BA would go shoulder to shoulder in the range of 950 to 1200.

Not that shabby I would think. The level of these fares on both sides - LCC and Legacy carriers may in fact encourage other airlines as well to enter this particular market later this year.


User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4922 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 5585 times:



Quoting ZuluTime (Reply 21):
I thought the United slot for DEN was one which was on loan to Etihad and which they had got back. I guess the AC slots might be involved in this somehow, either for United or Etihad.

Might not be the AC slot. was just a suggestion since the timing of AC not needing the slot, and UA starting DEN match up



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25 Manu : Either that, or it explains my problem with LF and their inflight entertainment provided during my last India trip. I can only play with the cargo bi
26 Threepoint : Which 'huge parts' of BC would those be sir? Save for a few crumpet shops and double-decker buses in Victoria, you wouldn't get the idea there was an
27 Threepoint : Yes there is, if you fly Alaska to SEA then SAS onwards. The layover is about 4 hours, resulting in a total trip time about an hour and a half less t
28 Thenoflyzone : YOW beat YEG on that one! Daily non-stop flights from YOW to FRA start June 1, 2008, with B763. AC does not have any spare B763s to launch YEG-FRA at
29 ECONOMICS : whatever ... the point we are making is hubs are dying, which could spell probelsm for the A380. People want to fly nonstop or at least direct(same a
30 Threepoint : The A380 will do just fine flying point to point or into slot-restricted hubs. Now which hubs are "dying" exactly, and who are "we" making that point?
31 Acey : Perhaps when they're all done getting XM'd, which I'd presume will be this year. The YEG folks are going on about how well the LHR flight is doing so
32 Ktachiya : Didn't AC have 4x daily YVR-LHR one summer? I thought that was so much capacity compared to the 1 daily during the winters. I think the fourth flight
33 Cslusarc : I think that it was about five years ago. When AC still op'd the ex-CP 744s. In the winter it was 1 744 and in the summer it was 4 763s.
34 Post contains links Cedarjet : In defence of Air Transat... and this is from the guy who was on THIS flight http://www.airliners.net/discussions...general_aviation/read.main/2158529
35 ARNYEG : I guess one shouldn't complain. At least there is one direct flight to YEG from Europe. And as time moves on I'll continue to hope.
36 Post contains images Abrelosojos : = Well, it is BRITISH Columbia after all in'nit ? Anyway, I am just joking. Its a reference to a Canadian friend I have from Victoria and an A.Net me
37 Pnwtraveler : Once the 763's are finished being XM'd then the A333's go in so they will have to take that into account with the schedules. That will mean one less p
38 AirbusA6 : I interpreted AC's action as flying the same number of people on larger planes, and fewer flights, which sounds exactly like the argument Airbus woul
39 Post contains images Connector4you : And more comfortable I would think in comparison to the rear-end blistering provoking 767. But AC won't use that type of aircraft on YVR-LHR, no, cau
40 StarGoldLHR : in 2006 UA leased 2 slots to AC. These were the remaining LHR-JFK slots. UA is adding a LHR - DEN in March, this will be one of the slots. I assume ma
41 Manu : It's almost like a Ford ad got someone to buy a Toyota! Nice that competitor reasoning gets you aircraft sales!?!
42 Pnwtraveler : I will be interested to see if service to any other parts of Britain is upgauged or added in the coming year.[Edited 2008-01-15 09:38:52]
43 Humberside : AC only serve LHR now so cant upgauge anywhere else. Competitions for the likes of Zoom, GSM and Candian Affair (Air Transat/TCX) have seen AC leave
44 Rdwootty : Just a note about the 2 77w . They are not running in late May. There is 1 x 77w and 3 x 767 ( old style cabins!) . At least this is what the AC websi
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