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Gulf Air Agree To 16 + 8 Boeing 787s  
User currently offlinePanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4162 posts, RR: 89
Posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 10942 times:
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Gulf Air have anounced that they intend to take 24 x Boeing 787s

By Tarek Al-Issawi
Jan. 12 (Bloomberg) -- Gulf Air, the national carrier of Bahrain, and Boeing Co. signed a $6 billion agreement for the delivery of 24 aircraft, airline spokesman Adnan Malik said.

Delivery of the 787 Dreamliners begins in 2016, Malik said today in a telephone interview. The Dreamliner is Boeing's most successful new airplane program in terms of sales with more than 800 orders valued at more than $120 billion.


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Reports are mixed at this stage with Boeing refusing to comment but delivery is slated for 2016 and there is no mention as to whether they will be leased

Regards, PanAm_DC10


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User currently offlineJsewoggie From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 48 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 10865 times:

I believe this brings total 787 orders to around 834.

Does anyone know if they were going with the -8, -9 or a mix?  airplane 


User currently offlineFlyTUITravel From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 723 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 10826 times:

Wow. I'm sure this will come as a shock to some people as I always read on here that by the looks of things GF was set to go for the A350.
The 787 will look great in GF colours.


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30977 posts, RR: 86
Reply 3, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 10669 times:
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I had GF pegged as an A350 customer, but nice to see another order of support for the 787.

User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13742 posts, RR: 19
Reply 4, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 10645 times:

Unexpected news.

It will be interesting to know where the funds and financing comes from considering Gulf Air's financials at the moment.



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User currently offlineEtihadAirways From United Arab Emirates, joined Dec 2006, 160 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 10615 times:

This order dose not surprises me at all but what shocks me is the timing of deliveries.
What will gulf air do from now till 2016 this is very long time to get new aircraft into service. Gulf air is in desperate need of fleet renewal if they wana compete against other gulf region careers. They need new aircraft to replace their retirement B767 and their A320 is not that young too. Only GF A330s are quit new and in good shape but most of their A340.300s are old and some with very tired interior. If they wana compete and hit the market they better get some new aircraft sooner than 2016 and start introducing new economy seats with bigger Screens and improved IFE. Their first class is nice and the in-flight chef & Sky Nanny is very nice touch from them. Their business not that bad but they can do better.

All the luck for Gulf Air


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21526 posts, RR: 59
Reply 6, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 10570 times:



Quoting FlyTUITravel (Reply 2):
Wow. I'm sure this will come as a shock to some people as I always read on here that by the looks of things GF was set to go for the A350.

Very shocking to me. As much as any deal between two large companies that I have nothing to do with can be considered shocking...  Smile



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User currently offlineViasa From Switzerland, joined Jun 2005, 1880 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 10378 times:

I'm very surprised about that because Gulf Air need NOW new airplanes!

User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5756 posts, RR: 47
Reply 8, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 10316 times:

This order is a big surprise. Gulf Air has been traditionally long haul with
Airbus products and I was fully expecting them to order the A350s.

Any one know which version of the 787 they ordered? I wouldn't be surprised if they ordered
the -9.



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30977 posts, RR: 86
Reply 9, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 10194 times:
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Perhaps they have some 787s via lease lined up to tide them over?

The 16 firm will replace all nine A340-300s and all six A330-200s. The 767-300ERs are now (essentially) retired, so that leaves one frame plus the eight options for expansion.


User currently offlineLumberton From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 4708 posts, RR: 20
Reply 10, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 9926 times:



Quoting Stitch (Reply 3):
I had GF pegged as an A350 customer, but nice to see another order of support for the 787.

So did I. Didn't they have a recent change of management? Perhaps that had something to do with the switch to Boeing?

I suspect they'll have to lease in the interim. ALAFCO? ILFC?



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User currently online9MMPD From Australia, joined Oct 2005, 286 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 8727 times:

I have to say that the Gulf Air 787s will be the best looking.

Congrats to Boeing. Really thought GF would go for the A350 like many A.netters as the 767 was their last new Boeing product. But 8 years is too long to wait for new aircraft considering they really need aircraft now. I have heard on this website that the state of some of their A340s particularly the 2nd hand ones are deplorable.


User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6914 posts, RR: 63
Reply 12, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 8585 times:



Quoting NYC777 (Reply 8):
Gulf Air has been traditionally long haul with Airbus products

Sort of... They of course ordered and operated 767s and, lest we forget, they were one of the first customers for the 777.

Unlike some above, this order doesn't particularly surprise me. The 787 seems ideal for GF. Good for them!


User currently offlineKLMD11L From New Zealand, joined Dec 2007, 123 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 8430 times:

Finally a significant order for GF! Let's see if what used to be the Gulf's #1 airline can catch up with the fast growing carriers in the region!


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User currently offlineHamlet69 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2744 posts, RR: 58
Reply 14, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 8316 times:



Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Thread starter):
Reports are mixed at this stage with Boeing refusing to comment but delivery is slated for 2016 and there is no mention as to whether they will be leased

Unsure. Based on the wording of the press release, I'd say it was a direct purchase, especially with the 2016 delivery date (which matches what Air Astana just got). However, there is a coincidence that might be nothing, or it might be something:

With the collapse of the Kuwait Airways deal, ALAFCO suddenly had a full complement of 22 787's to place (for those who don't remember, Kuwait was supposed to take 12). They quickly placed 6 with Oman Air, for delivery starting in 2012. Now, if my math is correct, 22 - 6 = 16.

OTOH, ALAFCO's first frame, to be leased to Kuwait, was supposed to be delivered in 2010. So. . . is it just a coincidence? Or when the Kuwait deal fell thru, did ALAFCO push back their first deliveries, allowing Boeing to sell those slots to another customer (BA, anyone?)?

Just some points to ponder. . .

Regards,

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User currently offlineKLMD11L From New Zealand, joined Dec 2007, 123 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 8214 times:



Quoting PM (Reply 12):
they were one of the first customers for the 777.

Which variant did they order? When did they place and drop the order?



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User currently offlineCloudyapple From Hong Kong, joined Jul 2005, 2454 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 8115 times:



Quoting Stitch (Reply 3):
I had GF pegged as an A350 customer, but nice to see another order of support for the 787.



Quoting NYC777 (Reply 8):
This order is a big surprise. Gulf Air has been traditionally long haul with
Airbus products and I was fully expecting them to order the A350s.

I disagree. Gulf Air used to be the flag carrier for 4 gulf states. Now it's shrunk to represent only Bahrain after those states who had withdrawn started their own airlines. It's network has shrunk and the effect of any hubbing left at Bahrain has reduced significantly. While it has a number of A330/A340s, the new Airbus offering in terms of the A350 is far too large for its future requirements. B787 is just the right size for Gulf Air as a state carrier. Where the B787 is too small it would be on routes to London and Bangkok. Otherwise it's perfectly suited to Gulf Air.

If there were no Omanair, Qatar or Ethihad, then the A350 will might have been more suitable.

This is a perfect example of the size differential between the B787 and the A350.



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User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6914 posts, RR: 63
Reply 17, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 8033 times:



Quoting KLMD11L (Reply 15):
Which variant did they order?

From memory, the 777-200ER. They certainly selected GE for the order.

Quoting KLMD11L (Reply 15):
When did they place and drop the order?

They ordered early (early '90s) and cancelled fairly early too. They switched to A330-300s with RR and then changed those to -200s. Someone at GF will remember more details than I can.


User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7149 posts, RR: 57
Reply 18, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 7863 times:



Quoting PM (Reply 12):
. The 787 seems ideal for GF

I agree 100%. The smaller capacity 787allows for higher frequency operations in an overcapacity market, for which the 787 is the perfect aircraft.



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User currently offlineFlying Belgian From Belgium, joined Jun 2001, 2391 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 7795 times:
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Quoting Cloudyapple (Reply 16):
This is a perfect example of the size differential between the B787 and the A350.

True.

I guess this was the wake-up call that GF needed, though it's more a move to get a slot ticket in the production line.

Would be interesting to know how they'll finance those planes.

Are their situation improving ?? How are the loads at the moment ?


FB.



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User currently offlineWorldrider From Switzerland, joined Nov 2007, 302 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 7795 times:

agreed, although capacity limited to LON and BKK, wasn't BUSH in Bahrain yesterday.. a little push in the back.

User currently offlineCaribbean484 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Jan 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 7681 times:



Quoting Cloudyapple (Reply 16):
I disagree. Gulf Air used to be the flag carrier for 4 gulf states. Now it's shrunk to represent only Bahrain after those states who had withdrawn started their own airlines. It's network has shrunk and the effect of any hubbing left at Bahrain has reduced significantly. While it has a number of A330/A340s, the new Airbus offering in terms of the A350 is far too large for its future requirements. B787 is just the right size for Gulf Air as a state carrier. Where the B787 is too small it would be on routes to London and Bangkok. Otherwise it's perfectly suited to Gulf Air.

If there were no Omanair, Qatar or Ethihad, then the A350 will might have been more suitable.

I'm not a MIddle East Aviation expert but from what I remembered, GF was part owned by the; The State of Qatar, Emirate of Abu Dhabi and Sultantane of Oman in 1974 and eact had equal sharing.
Qatar withdrew in 2003 to support Qatar Airways.
Abu Dhabu withdrew in 2006 to form Etihad.
Oman withdrew in May 2007.



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User currently offlinePanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4162 posts, RR: 89
Reply 22, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 7567 times:
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Quoting PM (Reply 17):
Quoting KLMD11L (Reply 15):
When did they place and drop the order?

They ordered early (early '90s) and cancelled fairly early too. They switched to A330-300s with RR and then changed those to -200s. Someone at GF will remember more details than I can.

To clarify. GF initially anncounced an order for 6 firm plus 6 optioned 777-200ERs on November 12, 1993 and they were GE powered. Delivery was scheduled for 1998 through 2000

Gulf Air, the flag carrier of four Persian Gulf states, has agreed to buy six Boeing 777 jets and signed an option to buy another six of the long-range airliners. Neither the Boeing Company nor Gulf Air, controlled by Abu Dhabi, Bahrain, Oman and Qatar, would put a value on the sale.

Gulf Air ordered $350 million in engines from the General Electric Company for the 12 Boeing jets, G.E. said.


http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...9F0CE4DA133EF931A25752C1A965958260

They then cancelled the 772ER order in favour of 6 x A340s as announced on April 4 1995.

Gulf Air, a leading Middle East airline, has dropped a deal worth more than $1.4 billion to buy six Boeing 777's and take options on six others, the carrier said yesterday. The airline will instead purchase six A340 jets from rival Airbus Industrie.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...990CEED6143FF937A35757C0A963958260

To add to the current discussion GF had an NB requirement too and that appears to have gone to Airbus with their intention to finalise that order by March of this year.

Regards, PanAm_DC10



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User currently offlineFCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 7364 times:

PanAm_DC10

Have you some links about their requirement having gone to Airbus for the NBs ?

Are they still interested in RJs (EMB170 ?) ?


User currently offlineCloudyapple From Hong Kong, joined Jul 2005, 2454 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 6995 times:



Quoting FCKC (Reply 23):
Have you some links about their requirement having gone to Airbus for the NBs ?

Gulf Air To Order 8 X A320 (by ENU Jan 13 2008 in Civil Aviation)



A310/A319/20/21/A332/3/A343/6/A388/B732/5/7/8/B742/S/4/B752/B763/B772/3/W/E145/J41/MD11/83/90
25 Stitch : Could there be any chance ALAFCO placed those 16 with GF until the new-build arrive? Six to seven years sounds short for a lease, but...
26 Post contains images Gilesdavies : Wow! This came as a shock to me, congratulations to Boeing on attracting a loyal Airbus customer. (They must be impressed with the XL Airways 737-800
27 Columba : Well A330s and A340s are not that old. Ff as it is said the cabin of the A343 is worn out the can retrofit the cabin until the 787 is available. Just
28 MYT321 : Are the retiring 767s going to Jet2, as rumoured some time ago ?
29 Post contains links Behramjee : Click here for the official story detailing both the B 787 and A 320 orders http://www.arabianbusiness.com/50804...-dreamliners-in-6bn-contract?ln=en
30 DeltaDAWG : Could the value of the USD$ have played a part in this order? With the USD$ at one of it lowest points it seems to be making the B product much more a
31 Post contains images Swallow : I expect the 788 to replace the six 332s and the 789 to replace the nine 343s, so the order mix may be 6 or 7 788s and 9 or 10 789s That paint scheme
32 PanAm_DC10 : Their firm order of 16 is for the 787-8. There are no 787-9s according Adnan Malik the carriers spokesman. Regards, PanAm_DC10
33 Behramjee : hmm are u sure? from where can i find more information concerning this announcement of his? the reason why im asking is that ive been told the exact
34 Post contains links PanAm_DC10 : There is a public link available which quotes the airline as stating the 16 are 787-8s, this was not available before. Jan. 13 (Bloomberg) -- Gulf Ai
35 Flying-Tiger : If this deal is just for the B787-800, does this leave the door open for the A350XWB-900/1000? Given that QR has gone that path one could imagine tha
36 Leskova : You can, if you're planning on reducing your capacity to increase your yields. Maybe, but I somehow don't see that happening at GF... they don't seem
37 Ikramerica : especially if the larger planes were purchased for range/cargo payload not passenger capacity. a 788 has greater cargo ability than either and greate
38 BrightCedars : I think the B787 is an ideally suited aircraft for GF and I suspect (hope) they have a deal for interim B787 lift until their own start rolling in in
39 Columba : I doubt that. GF is not EK or QR. I don´t see them expand that big and honestly the market is not big enough too support that many airlines from the
40 Post contains images DAYflyer : I have to admit I was one of those that saw GF as a A-350 operator. Great news for Boeing!
41 AA1818 : Congrats to Boeing and GF. Definitely a suprise here. A nice win for Boeing in the new year. Their first 787 order of 2008! AA1818
42 PM : Not yet. It's an LoI at this stage. Whether or not it becomes the first order of the year depends on how long it takes both parties to firm it up.
43 AA1818 : Good Point- apologies for jumping the gun! It's a good way to start the company's year anyways, and a good *potential* customer to start the 787's ye
44 Post contains images PM : Oh, I think we can safely say that this order will come to pass.
45 Post contains images Hamlet69 : Boeing have now confirmed that an MOU was signed on Saturday. Which means this will be a direct purchase, not a lease. Regards, Hamlet69
46 Behramjee : Its a good move to stick to one airplane type for premium medium/long haul flights i.e. B 787 and one for short haul regional flights i.e. A 320 as th
47 AA1818 : I wasn't thinking about that! Good point. It no longer serves a large population in the middle east made up o fmany countries- it is exclusively BAH-
48 Post contains links PanAm_DC10 : Boeing have confirmed that GF have finalised the deal as a new order for 16 direct frames. SEATTLE, Jan. 19 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Boeing and Bahra
49 Stitch : Looks like the 787 is starting off the new year strong again.
50 Post contains images PM : I make it 40 orders in three weeks!
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