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LHR Terminal Allocations - March 2008  
User currently offlineSKAirbus From Norway, joined Oct 2007, 1789 posts, RR: 1
Posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 5813 times:

This has been discussed a lot in the past but i thought it was time to reopen the thread....

We are now only 2 months away from EIS of Terminal 5 at LHR and although we know a lot about possible locations of airlines after T5 opens we don't know much about the short term.. So i propose a couple of discussion points:

- Who will operate from what terminal in the short term?

- When will construction of Heathrow East begin and where will the present occupants of T2 be relocated?

Hope this will start a good discussion off!


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User currently offlineN174UA From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 994 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 5779 times:

I learned from my Mom yesterday (who flew LHR-SFO on UA955) that UA is moving to T1 in June. Not necessarily more space, but a different layout. Should be interesting to see them anywhere but T3, where they have been since they began serving LHR in '91.

User currently offlineTheginge From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 1132 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 5666 times:

I think there was detail of the moves posted somewhere, but the BAA have recently changed them slightly meaning BA will still be in T4 until early 2009! The moves will happen in stages between now and when Heathrow East opens.
Heathrow East begins later this year and the present occupants of T2 will go to T1 (Lufthansa), T3 (Iberia) and others across to T4.


User currently offlineAznMadSci From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 3699 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 5636 times:

Slightly off topic, but will CO be using T4 when LHR services begin? As mentioned, T4 would be the Skyteam and others terminal. I have never been to LHR, but wouldn't T4 be more crowded once Open Skies start and BA still operating flights out of T4?


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User currently offlineB742 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 3768 posts, RR: 19
Reply 4, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 5606 times:



Quoting AznMadSci (Reply 3):
Slightly off topic, but will CO be using T4 when LHR services begin?

CO will use T4 along with SkyTeam partners NWA and DL. New partner CZ will also use T4 if services continue to proceed in 2009.

Rob!  wave 


User currently offlineKaitak744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2397 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 5490 times:



Quoting Theginge (Reply 2):
The moves will happen in stages between now and when Heathrow East opens.

Of coarse. The key reason for that is the fact that only T5 and T3 have A380 gates. So, all A380 airlines will essentially have to stay or move to T3, regardless of who they code share with. Heathrow East will change that.


User currently offlineSpeedbird2155 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 879 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 5291 times:

The timetable for moves from T1/2/3/4 have changed slightly in part to resistance from some airline (UA). For BA to move the remainder of services from T1 and 4 to T3, UA has to first move and then the area they currently occupy in T3 has to be redeveloped to BA requirements. As a result the first BA move into T3 will now be in Oct 08, with the T4 services moving in 2009 (along with QF services).

T1 will have plenty of room after 27 March as only a handful of BA services will remain there. There will likely be some airlines moving in shortly after that.

As of the end of April 2008, the only BA services in T4 will be SIN/SIN-SYD/BKK-SYD....just 3 flights, along with the QF operated flights. There will therefore be plenty of room for other carriers to move in.


User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 5213 times:



Quoting Speedbird2155 (Reply 6):
The timetable for moves from T1/2/3/4 have changed slightly in part to resistance from some airline (UA).

That resistance to what I have heard on the ground is due to the fact that BAA held out on paying for a lot of the work UA was required to undertake to move to T1. UA held a joker card...they did not move, nobody moved, so BAA had to pull their finger out!

Roll on Heathrow East!


User currently offlineLHRBlueSkies From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2007, 493 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 5206 times:



Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 5):
The key reason for that is the fact that only T5 and T3 have A380 gates. So, all A380 airlines will essentially have to stay or move to T3,

Wrong! T4 is getting 2 gates capable of handling 380's. T1 will also gate 380-compatible gates when it gets redeveloped.



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User currently offlineSKAirbus From Norway, joined Oct 2007, 1789 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 5138 times:



Quoting LHRBlueSkies (Reply 8):
T1 will also gate 380-compatible gates when it gets redeveloped.

More like demolished.. I understand that the only part of Terminal 1 to remain when Heathrow East appears are the 80 gates.. i.e. Where Aer Lingus and a number of domestic flights arrive and depart from... I also heard that these will eventually be attached onto Terminal 3 as opposed to Heathrow East.. Am i right or wrong??



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User currently offlinePlanesavvy From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2007, 67 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 4746 times:

I understand that the whole change over has been staggered by most of the airlines. Originally BAA (and BA) had a set plan for everyone and that was it, no choices. But as various airlines complained, everyone put in a complaint. For example even Jet Airways doesn't want to move from T3 to T4 like planned. So it will be very confusing for passengers and staff for a while.

Out of interest, with the redevelopment of the taxiways for Heathrow East in the northeast part of the airport, the first remote stands are in place and have their "goal post" markerboards up. They won't be in use for a while yet. But a nice glimpse of what is to come!


User currently offlineSKAirbus From Norway, joined Oct 2007, 1789 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 4692 times:

Apparently Terminal 2 will be demolished in the summer and Heathrow East construction will begin at the end of the year..

Im curious but do you think they will rename Heathrow East to Terminal 6?? It will be less confusing with a number maybe!



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User currently offlineBasrabob From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 54 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4436 times:

Apparently EI don't want to move from T1 either ....under the original plans , T1 was to be Star World !,,,,at the mo , the whole thing sounds like a complete lesson in anarchy!!

User currently offlineBA319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8578 posts, RR: 54
Reply 13, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4416 times:
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Quoting Basrabob (Reply 12):
at the mo , the whole thing sounds like a complete lesson in anarchy!!

- That sounds like BAA. I have to deal with them on almost a daily basis over all of their airports, nothing but red tape and confusion, really pathetic and hard to deal with if needing to get work done!



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User currently offlineSKAirbus From Norway, joined Oct 2007, 1789 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4349 times:



Quoting Basrabob (Reply 12):
Apparently EI don't want to move from T1 either ....under the original plans , T1 was to be Star World !,,,,at the mo , the whole thing sounds like a complete lesson in anarchy!!

Well EI can't move really... They aren't allowed at T5 as it is BA only and Terminal 1 has the only other facilities for domestic/ROI traffic at the airport.... (ROI and UK have their own open border agreement)



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User currently offlineAznMadSci From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 3699 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4247 times:



Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 11):
Apparently Terminal 2 will be demolished in the summer and Heathrow East construction will begin at the end of the year..

Im curious but do you think they will rename Heathrow East to Terminal 6?? It will be less confusing with a number maybe!

My understanding from plans before they started construction of T5 were that T1, T2, and T3 will be renamed Heathrow East while T4 and T5 will be renamed Heathrow West. Does that sound right?



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User currently offlineKaitak744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2397 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4227 times:



Quoting LHRBlueSkies (Reply 8):
T1 will also gate 380-compatible gates when it gets redeveloped.

T1 is not getting redeveloped. T1 is going to be integrated into Heathrow East. The air-side of T1 will be mostly demolished.


User currently offlineSpeedbird2155 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 879 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4205 times:



Quoting AznMadSci (Reply 15):

My understanding from plans before they started construction of T5 were that T1, T2, and T3 will be renamed Heathrow East while T4 and T5 will be renamed Heathrow West. Does that sound right?

No, doesn't sound right. T4, could never be considered Heathrow West along with T5 due to its location. As far as I'm aware, there are no plans to remain any other terminals.

Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 14):

Well EI can't move really... They aren't allowed at T5 as it is BA only and Terminal 1 has the only other facilities for domestic/ROI traffic at the airport.... (ROI and UK have their own open border agreement)

While T1 is the only terminal with domestic facilities, any terminal could be redesigned to handle domestic flights. T5 doesn't have a seperate domestic area, but will handle all BA domestic operations. EI were to move to T3 as part of Oneworld, but they no longer are part of that plan. It is now up to them to negotiate seperately where they will fit in.

Quoting Planesavvy (Reply 10):
I understand that the whole change over has been staggered by most of the airlines. Originally BAA (and BA) had a set plan for everyone and that was it, no choices. But as various airlines complained, everyone put in a complaint. For example even Jet Airways doesn't want to move from T3 to T4 like planned. So it will be very confusing for passengers and staff for a while.

BA can't establish a plan for other carriers as it doesn't own the airport. BA can merely express its wishes with regards to their operations and those of its Oneworld partners, hence the idea that Oneworld carriers use T3. It's been well known for many years that there would be moves, but now that the time is approaching, various airlines are finding excuses to delay. Jet was always intended to have some operations from T4 and even had office space allocated at one point, but I suspect largely due to lack of capacity, they would have had to split operations as T4 really couldn't cope with much of an increase in capacity, which wasn't ideal for an airline with a few daily flights (or any airline really). Squeezing the one daily TAM flight was an issue, both for check-in and gate space.


User currently offlineSKAirbus From Norway, joined Oct 2007, 1789 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4059 times:



Quoting Speedbird2155 (Reply 17):
While T1 is the only terminal with domestic facilities, any terminal could be redesigned to handle domestic flights. T5 doesn't have a seperate domestic area, but will handle all BA domestic operations. EI were to move to T3 as part of Oneworld, but they no longer are part of that plan. It is now up to them to negotiate seperately where they will fit in.

well Terminal 5 has a domestic arrivals area.. I wonder if international illegal immigrants can get through if it is all integrated. At Gatwick South there is a little gate in the immigration hall for domestic passengers with a guard.. Anyone can get through it seems!

But at Stansted, Gatwick and T5 it looks like all passengers, domestic and international, depart from the same lounge but arrive at different areas.



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User currently offlineStandby87 From Switzerland, joined Jul 2001, 536 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3998 times:

When I first joined BA, I heard about an old lady who tried to catch the T4->T1 Transfer bus.

On her return from OXFORD she allegedly commented on the large distance between the 2 terminals!

Urban Legend or not, I can see a few other "old ladies" getting lost in amongst all these Terminal changes.

What I hope is that everything is stable during Summer Season "don't change things mid-season".
I really can't believe that UA is moving Terminals DURING June.


User currently offlineSKAirbus From Norway, joined Oct 2007, 1789 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3981 times:



Quoting Standby87 (Reply 19):
Urban Legend or not, I can see a few other "old ladies" getting lost in amongst all these Terminal changes.

The great thing about Terminal 5 is that the transfer busses are very very clearly signposted and are located just next to the esculator from the transit from the B gates...



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User currently offlineN383PA From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 104 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3956 times:

The latest I saw in the reservation system is that DL and NW will go to T3, CO to T4 and US to T1.
Also BA will continue to operate out of T1 until autumn on the routes to BCN,MAD and LIS where
they use B757 only. The move of the Star Alliance carriers from T2 to T1 will not happen until
autumn this year as well.

The UA move in June is still not confirmed and I heard a rumor that NZ will move from T3 to T1
in April using BA old business and first class check-in area, however all this can still change
as news change every week at the moment. Will be interesting to see the chaos in the summer
schedule as all five terminals will operate simultaneously and the minimum connecting time
between terminal 1,2,3,4 and terminal 5 will be 2hours.

On another note, there are rumors that the new Heathrow East terminal will be delayed by
possible 2 years ....

watch this space ....




 

[Edited 2008-01-14 04:04:37]

User currently offline747438 From UK - England, joined Jan 2007, 838 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3922 times:



Quoting N383PA (Reply 21):
On another note, there are rumors that the new Heathrow East terminal will be delayed by
possible 2 years ....

Heard this at work too  scratchchin 


User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3900 times:



Quoting N383PA (Reply 21):
On another note, there are rumors that the new Heathrow East terminal will be delayed by
possible 2 years ....

Why does that not surprise me...way to go BAA!!


User currently offlineAlbird87 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3813 times:

Interesting stuff here!!.

Out of interest does anybody know how people are getting connected to T5 from the other terminals when using flight connections?? ATM all conections to other terminals is done via bus and the buses run from T1/2 to 3 and 4, T3 to 4 and 1/2 and T4 to 3 and 1/2.
As T5 has a transit rail system for the T5b (and going to be for 5c), is it just possible that they can run the rails upto T1,2,3 to flight connections and you get a train or will we be bused around the whole permimiter to get to T5?

Quoting Speedbird2155 (Reply 6):
As of the end of April 2008, the only BA services in T4 will be SIN/SIN-SYD/BKK-SYD....just 3 flights, along with the QF operated flights. There will therefore be plenty of room for other carriers to move in.

Interesting. I have a ticket booked in october from GCM-LHR on BA (253) and it says we are arriving in T4, Is this just a error in the computers and can i expect to arrive into T5??


25 Post contains images UAL777UK : At this rate and with all the buggering around by BAA, you could end up on the hard shoulder of the M4!
26 Pogo : I have seen this too but looked on Amadeus today and DL has been put to T4 as it will be, the company I work for has won the contract to handle DL at
27 LHR27C : There's an airside tunnel from T5 to the CTA, which has been in operation for at least 2 and a half years already (I remember driving through it seve
28 Speedbird2155 : Where around T5?? I spent most of last week in T5 (A and B) and saw nothing like what you describe. There were some stands that we being completed, a
29 Post contains images N383PA : That would be to logical for BAA. They rather give the money to the share holders or directors instead of creating a world class airport .... I work
30 AIR MALTA : Information screens are a disgrace... as well as the long walkways with their old carpets.... How can BAA not do anything abou that. LGW North is a p
31 Pogo : I noticed the Delta taxi-way is closed off because of it, when I towed the HM sunday morning, and also in the Charlie taxi-way a large rectangular pa
32 Post contains images Pogo : Ooops, I think I might be wrong about that, I just checked google map and it looks like it has been there from the start, I guess I have put 2+2 toge
33 SKAirbus : Interesting.. so Heathrow will look like a craphole during the olympics.. lets hope all the athletes fly with BA
34 Zkojh : what i've read at work is that both NZ and UA will join BD in T1 from late MAY,
35 Aisak : Well, T5 will be almost brand new as you point out. T3 will be heavily refurbished and that will be complete by 2012 for sure. T4 will also have some
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