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How Is FL And F9 Codeshare Doing?  
User currently offline7E72004 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3587 posts, RR: 2
Posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2985 times:

Greetings....how has the AirTran and Frontier code sharing been doing?


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User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6507 posts, RR: 20
Reply 1, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2981 times:

I don't know, but I tell you this. FL needs to bite the bullet and merge with F9. The only reason they haven't, I suspect, is the result of a diverse fleet. They need to go with routes and worry about fleet commonality later.


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User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25455 posts, RR: 86
Reply 2, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2976 times:
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Quoting 7E72004 (Thread starter):
how has the AirTran and Frontier code sharing been doing?

It isn't a code share. It is a FF marketing agreement, and it is going well.

There has been talk of a full-on code share, but so far only talk.

mariner



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User currently offline7E72004 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3587 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2965 times:

I see...i just tried to "book" a flight from IND-GIllette, Wyoming and it transferred to the Frontier website. my bad  Big grin


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User currently offline7E72004 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3587 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2954 times:

But i think the two should merge also. Yes, they have very different fleets (didn't Frontier have 737s at one point?), but it would be a good match. How difficult would it be to deal with the fleet issue? Obviously, they could either: Keep the diverse fleet, go with the Airbus or Boeing.


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User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25455 posts, RR: 86
Reply 5, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2945 times:
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Quoting 7E72004 (Reply 4):
But i think the two should merge also.

Well, it's a change from people thinking JetBlue should merge with Frontier.  Smile

I think it is more likely the code share will happen.

Mergers? I dunno. I am less enthusiastic than most on a.net about mergers.

mariner



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User currently offlineDCA-ROCguy From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 4510 posts, RR: 34
Reply 6, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2924 times:

Mergers? I dunno. I am less enthusiastic than most on a.net about mergers. mariner

If the marketing agreement is working well for the two carriers, keep it. If a code-share would do even more, explore that. Neither of those courses of action involves merging two very different fleets and cultures.

Some people on Airliners.net, like some analysts and financial middlemen, seem to think that mergers are magic to fix the industry. I respectfully disagree. There is no overcapacity, and there are vast costs and disruption associated with mergers. Were consolidation to happen, I suspect everybody except the financial middlemen and golden-parachuted executives who got rich off of it, would be very unhappy with the results.

Jim

[Edited 2008-01-12 16:08:37]


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User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25455 posts, RR: 86
Reply 7, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2904 times:
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Quoting DCA-ROCguy (Reply 6):
Were consolidation to happen, I suspect everybody except the financial middlemen and golden-parachuted executives who got rich off of it, would be very unhappy with the results.

That's pretty much how I feel. I have more subjective reasons, too. I like more choices when I'm flying.

If any merger happens, it happens, of course, but I don't advocate them.

mariner



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User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4570 posts, RR: 18
Reply 8, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2889 times:



Quoting DCA-ROCguy (Reply 6):
Some people on Airliners.net, like some analysts and financial middlemen, seem to think that mergers are magic to fix the industry. I respectfully disagree.

I agree with you disagreeing. A merger solves nothing. Garbage In/Garbage Out. Merging two failed plans won't somehow magically create a plan for success. What you will have is a recipe for failure on a much larger scale than before.



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User currently offlineTheGreatChecko From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1130 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2872 times:



Quoting Indy (Reply 8):
I agree with you disagreeing. A merger solves nothing. Garbage In/Garbage Out. Merging two failed plans won't somehow magically create a plan for success. What you will have is a recipe for failure on a much larger scale than before.

No disrespect to the employees of each, but see US + HP .

My guess thats a good reason any mergers of DL and anyone else would require a pilot "prenup," so things won't get drawn out like they have at US.



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User currently offline7E72004 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3587 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2790 times:

This is a market after all and there are businesses that flourish and those that do not. Obviously, letting one of the airlines falter and just go under is not a good scenario, but if there is no merger, that is a good possibility that one of the airlines (maybe more) will go under. I agree also that a merger does not solve the problems. Just because you merge two airlines (and i am talking about any two--whether it is AirTran and Frontier, Northwest and Delta, etc.) you do not get rid of much. You just have one larger airline that is made from 2...we may end up with 5 "legendary" carriers left, but essentially, the status quo is still the same. Unless, you get a mass axing of routes/planes, employees, nothing is going to change.


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User currently offlineFrontierflyer From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 216 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2723 times:

I'm a little surprised and disappointed that a full blown code share is not it place between these two. FL is finding it hard to make money, along with everyone else, on long distance flying. DEN is great location wise, right smack in the middle, let F9 do the west and FL do the east flying. Probably why WN is so determined to make DEN work, great location for a transfer point. I'm not crazy about the idea of a merger, two different styles of flying, but I can see a code share working, feeding of each others strengths. FL customers would love the idea of having the opportunity to fly to Mexico. Throw in HA, it be icing on the cake.

User currently offlineCarsAir04 From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 162 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2671 times:

Here is a little from that article written last week in the Rocky Mountain News. I would expect a code-share with Airtran to happen at some point, it only makes sense. Menke is really thinking ahead on ways to help Frontier. Things are slowly changing at F9, eventually everything will lead down the same road, hopefully to profit.

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Some of Frontier's peers are moving in the same direction. JetBlue, for instance, this year struck an alliance with Aer Lingus, while Alaska Airways and Horizon Air cemented a code-share and frequent flier deal with Air France.

Frontier could look to nail down a similar partnership, or it could bolster its current marketing alliance with AirTran.

Such partnerships would give Frontier a way to offer its customers the ability to fly to more destinations without the investment and continuing costs of starting the service itself.

"For us to compete, we either have to go out and buy a bunch of new airplanes or we can develop relationships that will deliver that in a different way," Menke said. "I'm definitely a believer in the latter."

Menke hopes to strike a partnership as early as this year.....

[Edited 2008-01-12 19:55:59]

User currently offlineFrontierflyer From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 216 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2526 times:



Quoting CarsAir04 (Reply 12):
Such partnerships would give Frontier a way to offer its customers the ability to fly to more destinations without the investment and continuing costs of starting the service itself.

Put your customers on someone elses plane and pocket the cash, not pretty but thats the way of the future.

Quoting CarsAir04 (Reply 12):
Menke hopes to strike a partnership as early as this year.....

I hope its earlier than that.


User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 14, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2480 times:



Quoting Mariner (Reply 5):
Mergers? I dunno. I am less enthusiastic than most on a.net about mergers.

Neither am I. You should see the rant I posted on Site Related forum.

Quoting DCA-ROCguy (Reply 6):
Some people on Airliners.net, like some analysts and financial middlemen, seem to think that mergers are magic to fix the industry. I respectfully disagree.

I agree with you on this. See....

Quoting TheGreatChecko (Reply 9):
No disrespect to the employees of each, but see US + HP .

I was just about to say that above. You sure beat me to it.  Wink

Quoting CarsAir04 (Reply 12):
Alaska Airways

Uhmm who?  Confused You mean Alaska Airlines.  Wink



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User currently offlineAlphascan From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 937 posts, RR: 13
Reply 15, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2432 times:



Quoting Frontierflyer (Reply 13):
I hope its earlier than that.

Both carriers would need the IT capability to implement a full scale code share. It takes time to do it right.



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User currently offlineNosedive From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2383 times:



Quoting CarsAir04 (Reply 12):

Frontier could look to nail down a similar partnership, or it could bolster its current marketing alliance with AirTran.

F9 + AB = non stop for me to TXL  Silly
Downside: more Knut  yuck 


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