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User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3216 posts, RR: 13
Posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 7368 times:

Hey All,

NWA has yet to finalize their summer schedule for international flights, but as best as I can tell they might have some spare lift between their 75A and 744 fleets. Their 332 and 333 fleets will seem to be at full utilization, but it seems to me they'll have 2x extra 75A's and 2x extra 744's. Is anyone able to shed some light as to the "why"??

Is there a possibility they may add some routes yet?? Resume DTW-BRU on the 75A, or add the rumored DTW-MAN??


757-200 Atlantic:
1) DTW-AMS
2) DTW-DUS
3) DTW-LGW
4) EWR-AMS
5) EWR-AMS
6) BOS-AMS
7) BDL-AMS
8)
9)
10) spare

A330-200:
1) SEA-AMS-BOM
2) BOM-AMS-SEA
3) PDX-AMS
4) SEA-NRT-ICN
5) ICN-NRT-SEA
6) PDX-NRT-SIN
7) SIN-NRT-PDX
8) SFO-NRT-BKK
9) BKK-NRT-SFO
10) NRT-PEK
11) spare

A330-300
1) MSP-AMS
2) MSP-AMS
3) MSP-AMS
4) MSP-HNL-NRT
5) NRT-HNL-MSP
6) MSP-CDG
7) MSP-LHR
8) DTW-AMS
9) DTW-AMS
10) DTW-FRA
11) DTW-CDG
12) DTW-LHR
13) BOS-AMS
14) SEA-LHR
15) SEA-HNL
16) HNL-KIX
17) NRT-GUM
18) NRT-SPN
19) MEM-AMS
20) spare DTW
21) spare MSP

747-400:
1) DTW-NRT-PVG
2) PVG-NRT-DTW
3) DTW-NRT-HNL
4) HNL-NRT-DTW
5) MSP-NRT-MNL
6) MNL-NRT-MSP
7) LAX-NRT-HKG
8) HKG-LAX-NRT
9) DTW-NGO-MNL
10) MNL-NGO-DTW
11) DTW-KIX-TPE
12) TPE-KIX-DTW
13) DTW-AMS
14)
15)
16) spare



Thanks in advance for all responses!!

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User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4580 posts, RR: 18
Reply 1, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 7302 times:

When will the summer schedule be finalized? I'm thinking it should be in the next 4 weeks right?


Indy = Indianapolis and not Independence Air
User currently offlineNWA757300 From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 299 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 7210 times:

Another strongly rumored 75A route is DTW-OSL. I've been wondering if DTW-BRU will be coming back as well. No one seems to really know. Other potential 75A routes that NW has considered, in addition to OSL, are DTW-DUB/BHX/LIS/GLA. I saw these cities on a presentation given by a NW executive at the managers conference.

User currently offlineJetblueguy22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 2821 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 7180 times:
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They were trying to get some US to China flights. I don't know if they were yet approved.
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User currently offlineLHboyatDTW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 7165 times:



Quoting Jetblueguy22 (Reply 3):

I think NW got approval for the PVG flight already.

I was starting to think about this recently and I seriously was starting to come to the conclusion of these being the new TATL routes:

PDX-AMS

DFW-AMS (operated by KL, but codeshared with NW)

KL's return to DTW (?)

SEA-LHR

Though I honestly would love to see the MAN and DUB flights start up already. While they're at it, go for Scandinavia already.


User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3216 posts, RR: 13
Reply 5, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 7046 times:



Quoting NWA757300 (Reply 2):
DTW-DUB/BHX/LIS/GLA

GLA would be excellent!! I'm really hoping for that one to happen.

Quoting Jetblueguy22 (Reply 3):
They were trying to get some US to China flights. I don't know if they were yet approved.

NW got approval for DTW-PVG on 787 for 2009.

Quoting LHboyatDTW (Reply 4):
PDX-AMS

DFW-AMS (operated by KL, but codeshared with NW)

KL's return to DTW (?)

SEA-LHR

PDX-AMS is new, will be operated with A332

DFW-AMS is KLM, NWA codeshare

KLM is, in fact, returning to DTW with a single daily A332, IIRC. With the newly announced SEA-LHR, NW was short an A330 to operate DTW-AMS, so they put a 744 on the route along with a single KLM for the summer schedule.

SEA-LHR is new, in addition to MSP-LHR and DTW-LHR. MSP-LGW will be terminated, but DTW-LGW will remain on the schedules as a 75A route.

Also, don't forget about MSP-CDG, effective in April or May (I think).


User currently offlineLHboyatDTW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 6975 times:



Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 5):
Also, don't forget about MSP-CDG, effective in April or May (I think).

forgot about that one

as for KLM in DTW. It appears that they are here to stay. The NW 68 flight gets downgraded back to an A333 while KL 617/618 upgrades to a 772 in Nov.


User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3216 posts, RR: 13
Reply 7, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 6944 times:



Quoting LHboyatDTW (Reply 6):
as for KLM in DTW. It appears that they are here to stay. The NW 68 flight gets downgraded back to an A333 while KL 617/618 upgrades to a 772 in Nov.

Again, with the addition of SEA-LHR on the new schedule, NW doesn't have enough A330's to operate all their previous AMS flights, so KLM will operate DTW-AMS for a seemingly indefinite period of time.


User currently offlineRwSEA From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3118 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 6869 times:



Quoting Transpac787 (Thread starter):
A330-300
1) MSP-AMS
2) MSP-AMS
3) MSP-AMS
4) MSP-HNL-NRT
5) NRT-HNL-MSP
6) MSP-CDG
7) MSP-LHR
8) DTW-AMS
9) DTW-AMS
10) DTW-FRA
11) DTW-CDG
12) DTW-LHR
13) BOS-AMS
14) SEA-LHR
15) SEA-HNL
16) HNL-KIX
17) NRT-GUM
18) NRT-SPN
19) MEM-AMS
20) spare DTW
21) spare MSP

SEA-LHR is slated to be a 332, not a 333. Also, I am under the impression that SEA-HNL reverts to a 753 for the summer unless things have changed.


User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 6858 times:

The extra 744s will be flying ATL-NRT-XXX and will be wearing a bright red two tone widget.  Smile

User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3216 posts, RR: 13
Reply 10, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 6786 times:



Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 9):
The extra 744s will be flying ATL-NRT-XXX

Just as long as the continuation is to HAN or SGN.  Wink  crossfingers   crossfingers   crossfingers 


User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9672 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 6751 times:



Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 9):
The extra 744s will be flying ATL-NRT-XXX and will be wearing a bright red two tone widget.

lol nice one WT

Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 10):
Just as long as the continuation is to HAN or SGN.

hey there we go CO and UA can merge if DL gets LAX,LHR slots NRT slots and there SGN flights (only one US carrier can fly to SGN)



yep.
User currently offlineLorenz From Norway, joined Aug 2000, 134 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 6426 times:

Would love to see NWA back in Oslo!

User currently offlineFlyDreamliner From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2759 posts, RR: 15
Reply 13, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 6279 times:



Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 10):

Just as long as the continuation is to HAN or SGN. Wink crossfingers crossfingers crossfingers

That could only ever happen if NW merged with UA. The bilateral treaty between the US and Vietnam allows only one carrier from each country. United is the US carrier, doing their LAX-HKG-SGN route... hopeful Vietnam Airlines will open up US service soon. But so long as UA is the US carrier, no one else can serve Vietnam without a new treaty... which isn't really being talked about at the moment.



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User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4580 posts, RR: 18
Reply 14, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 6182 times:



Quoting Lorenz (Reply 12):
Would love to see NWA back in Oslo!

Me too. I have a friend that lives in Oslo and would make a visit so easy.



Indy = Indianapolis and not Independence Air
User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23217 posts, RR: 20
Reply 15, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 6175 times:



Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 13):
The bilateral treaty between the US and Vietnam allows only one carrier from each country. United is the US carrier, doing their LAX-HKG-SGN route... hopeful Vietnam Airlines will open up US service soon. But so long as UA is the US carrier, no one else can serve Vietnam without a new treaty... which isn't really being talked about at the moment.

That's inaccurate. The treaty allows 2 carriers. I'm on my way to class, but I'll post a link later. NW can't start Vietnam because there's an issue with 5th freedom rights ex-Japan (and ex-NRT in particular).



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User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12263 posts, RR: 35
Reply 16, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 6031 times:
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Quoting Lorenz (Reply 12):
Would love to see NWA back in Oslo!

I know, me too! Would make non-reving home so much easier



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User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4059 times:

OSL is within the range of a 757 from DTW.

You can bet that DTW will see some serious increase in transatlantic routes if DL picks up NW. But the same will also happen in ORD if DL picks up UA. The fact that NW and UA both have ETOPS 757s will help DL build more transatlantic service, even if it means shuffling DL's existing aircraft around.


User currently offlineYulguy From Canada, joined Feb 2004, 246 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3980 times:

Is NW not flying to CAN from NRT anymore? I think they were using a 757 on this route.


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User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3598 posts, RR: 20
Reply 19, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3952 times:

I have some files here. They are a little outdated as I made them last year.

NWA Widebody usage




http://homepage.mac.com/justinwdart/.Pictures/NWA/NWAallA330usage.jpg


Since making these files:
-747-200 flights were changed to A330-300.
-PDX-AMS will be added with an A330-200.
-DTW-AMS will have one 747-400 flight.

Summer 2007 NWA widebody Usage (PDF)

My Aviation downloads



Yes...I am not a KIX fan. Let's Japanese Aviation!
User currently offlineMMEPHX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3886 times:



Quoting NWA757300 (Reply 2):
Other potential 75A routes that NW has considered, in addition to OSL, are DTW-DUB/BHX/LIS/GLA. I saw these cities on a presentation given by a NW executive at the managers conference.

Please, please, please make it BHX. Would make my traveling so much easier  Smile


User currently offlineSimairlinenet From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 922 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 3549 times:



Quoting Transpac787 (Thread starter):

757-200 Atlantic:
1) DTW-AMS
2) DTW-DUS
3) DTW-LGW
4) EWR-AMS
5) EWR-AMS
6) BOS-AMS
7) BDL-AMS
8)
9)
10) spare

Only seven of these aircraft have the transatlantic configurations. The remaining three are for domestic flights only, and will be joined in the future with five additional winglet-equipped 757s (5600 series).


User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4580 posts, RR: 18
Reply 22, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3522 times:



Quoting Simairlinenet (Reply 21):

Only seven of these aircraft have the transatlantic configurations. The remaining three are for domestic flights only, and will be joined in the future with five additional winglet-equipped 757s (5600 series).

Does it mean that the 3 will remain domestic and five currently running international will return to domestic? Or does it mean that five more of the 757's will be added to that list of 10 making it 15 total?



Indy = Indianapolis and not Independence Air
User currently offlineTPAPDX From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 87 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3243 times:

Actually, it would appear the 333's listed as MSP-HNL-NRT don't perform that route via HNL with a single aircraft. It would be MSP-HNL-MSP & HNL-NRT-HNL, due to misconnecting flight times in HNL. It would be impossible to use the same A/C for both routes, even with different flight numbers.

ie: NW809 arrives HNL from MSP 1623, while NW021 departs HNL for NRT 1420.


User currently offlineYOWza From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 4905 posts, RR: 15
Reply 24, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3235 times:



Quoting Transpac787 (Thread starter):
it seems to me they'll have 2x extra 75A's and 2x extra 744's. Is anyone able to shed some light as to the "why"??

Do they have any metal scheduled to exit service? If this is the case it would make sense to schedule a little more loosely. Beyond that is possible though not probable that this extra freedom was factored in based on MX performance this year. That's quite a shot in the dark.

Quoting NWA757300 (Reply 2):
Another strongly rumored 75A route is DTW-OSL

People keep bringing this possibility up but some of our Nordic members shot this down emphatically in an SAS thread (which I can't seem to find)

YOWza



12A whenever possible.
25 Transpac787 : They are, those are the Asia-config 757's, or the "75X". Those five addition will be the 75X's, the NRT-based birds. HNL is used for rotating A333's
26 TPAPDX : While it's nice you know "in fact" that they are routed via HNL, it would defy physics. Most aircraft swaps are performed, for maintenance and other
27 NWAESC : They do not currently.
28 Post contains images Transpac787 : Okay then....tell me.....how does NW rotate A333's through NRT?? SEA/PDX/SFO to NRT are all 332's. How do the A333's get there?? And, of course, MSP-
29 Azjubilee : At the moment, one of the 2 daily SEA-HNL flights is operated by a 333. This is the flight that feeds the Asia rotation for the 333. The a/c arrives i
30 Gigneil : Also, the A330 flights to Saipan and others, and from HNL upwards. A330-300s to Asia are routed via HNL. End of story. It doesn't defy physics. A pla
31 TPAPDX : I am not speaking of some "occasional" plane swaps (and by transit, you still make it sound like HNL is a normal intermediate stop on a daily basis be
32 Gigneil : Not exactly, no. But when a plane is done flying NRT-GUM-NRT or HNL-NRT-HNL rotations, it flies back to HNL (on a scheduled NRT-HNL flight) then flie
33 Azjubilee : TPAPDX - if you read my recent post I outline the 330 rotations into Asia. The bottom line is that HNL is indeed the station in which the aircraft are
34 TPAPDX : As I already mentioned in my previous post, the poster presented the information in such a manner as one would assume those were the scheduled routes
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