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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12145 posts, RR: 17
Posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 12777 times:
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Welcome to NZ Aviation Thread #21, in thread #20 New Zealand Aviation Thread #20 Happy New Year! (by 777ER Jan 5 2008 in Civil Aviation) , we discussed:

- Possible routes from AKL for NZ, and a few other airlines
- The merits and advantages of QF and NZs Y+ products
- An NZ B772ER and an A1GP race car have been snapped racing each other at high speeds along AKLs runways by TV and media cameras, and even on youtube. Their punishment is each won and lost a race!
- QFs cost bases with using JetConnect crews for long haul flights from AKL
- Discussed QFs NZ domestic ops, and how badly they are performing
- JQ and QF have raised their International flights fuel surcharges, but domestic flights both in Oz and NZ won't get a rise.
- NZ says hello to Masterton, with an AKL flight starting around the end of this year using 1900Ds
- NZ announces its adding two extra B733s to its fleet, bringing its B733 fleet to 18, from todays current 14 (exlcuding the leased G-THOE). As a result of the extra B733s, two regional ports, most likly PML and HLZ will loose some ATR flights and instead gain B733 flights on a six month trail. This raises a question, is the Ejet the winner for the ATR replacement in 2009?
- NZ is fitting out BBJs fresh from the Boeing Factory at its BHE hangers with interiors before they are delivered to their owners.
- Had a good 'debate' about DJ (Pacific Blue and Virgin Blue) AOC and rules for each airline in each country.

Let thread #21 begin

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User currently offlineCchan From New Zealand, joined May 2003, 1761 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 12707 times:

Wow, we 're at #21 now. When was the 1st one started, about a year ago or less?

Got a couple of question here:
Where have the retired NZ 763s gone to. Ex ZK-NCE isn't with PX anymore?

What's the story with the 737(?) with USA government titles at AKL in the weekend? Someone flew all the way here from the USA on the small jet?


User currently offlineMotorHussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 3203 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 12688 times:

And what's the latest on Auckland International Airport ownership? Is anything happening?

Regards
MH



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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12145 posts, RR: 17
Reply 3, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 12679 times:
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Quoting Cchan (Reply 1):
When was the 1st one started, about a year ago or less?

Less then a year ago. I'm hoping that the timing will let me start a thread on the birthday of the first thread.

Quoting Cchan (Reply 1):
What's the story with the 737(?) with USA government titles at AKL in the weekend? Someone flew all the way here from the USA on the small jet?

Its a BBJ


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12145 posts, RR: 17
Reply 4, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 12676 times:
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Airline calls for flight delay records


Pacific Blue is calling on the Government to force airlines to make their on-time performance records public, despite lengthy delays on its new domestic network.


It has written to Transport Minister Annette King and Consumer Affairs Minister Judith Tizard urging the Government to set a reporting standard for airlines to state how often they are on time and the frequency of delays.

Virgin Blue Airlines Group chief executive Brett Godfrey said the move would give the consumer a transparent view of which airlines were more likely to get them to their destination on time.


http://www.stuff.co.nz/4356315a13.html

It looks like DJ is leading the way with new rules and requirments. First the rule that all previously extra hidden costs are to be included in the fares, like the fuel surcharge etc, which so the customers don't get any nasty surprises when they see a good fare and then book it only to find the price went up big time, due to the extra hidden costs


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12145 posts, RR: 17
Reply 5, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 12670 times:
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Read on another thread, that the new livery will be out around April/May. One B733 is currently getting a new paint, but will come out on Monday/tuesday next week with the old livery, but without the pacific Wave. Is the new livery a big change or a small change. I've been getting the impression over the last few months that the new livery will be abig change, and not just a remove this part, change the tail colours and leave the rest as it is.

User currently offlineRongotai From New Zealand, joined Sep 2000, 477 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 12650 times:



Quoting Cchan (Reply 1):
What's the story with the 737(?) with USA government titles at AKL in the weekend? Someone flew all the way here from the USA on the small jet?

Do you mean 'United States of America' or USAF titles (i.e. the C-40B/C)? In the latter case this is not unusual in Wellington (diplomatic and embassy trips) or Christchurch (Deep Freeze). the former are a bit more unusual down here. But with Hollywood, Peter Jackson and anybody else making a Hollywood movie down here routinely using Gulfstream IVs between WLG/AKL and LAX it is scarcely surprising that the US government uses BBJs to come down here as well.


User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7106 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 12605 times:



Quoting 777ER (Reply 5):
I've been getting the impression over the last few months that the new livery will be abig change, and not just a remove this part, change the tail colours and leave the rest as it is

Really? I had the impression it would just be a small minor change to the colors...


User currently offlineNzrich From New Zealand, joined Dec 2005, 1522 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week ago) and read 12579 times:



Quoting 777ER (Reply 5):
Read on another thread, that the new livery will be out around April/May. One B733 is currently getting a new paint, but will come out on Monday/tuesday next week with the old livery, but without the pacific Wave. Is the new livery a big change or a small change. I've been getting the impression over the last few months that the new livery will be abig change, and not just a remove this part, change the tail colours and leave the rest as it is.

The pacific wave was removed off that 733 as the wave is no longer part of the NZ brand .. I would assume a new livery would be a bit more than just loosing the wave .. I personally would like to see a fleet of planes like the 733 FRE but in all different colours and shades .. Passengers seem to like it as did the guys in the CHC control tower i was talking to .. They said it was their favourite plane livery ..



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User currently offlineAxio From New Zealand, joined Jul 2006, 315 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week ago) and read 12550 times:



Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 7):
Really? I had the impression it would just be a small minor change to the colors...

To pink and purple.... Big grin



Time for a new viewing deck at AKL!
User currently offlineCchan From New Zealand, joined May 2003, 1761 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week ago) and read 12547 times:



Quoting Rongotai (Reply 6):
Do you mean 'United States of America' or USAF titles (i.e. the C-40B/C)? In the latter case this is not unusual in Wellington (diplomatic and embassy trips) or Christchurch (Deep Freeze).

It has United States of America titles, parked at the lot opposite the odd numbered gates of AKL international terminal on Saturday.

Quoting 777ER (Reply 3):
Its a BBJ

It is still a very long way to fly a BBJ from the States to here.

Quoting 777ER (Reply 4):
Pacific Blue is calling on the Government to force airlines to make their on-time performance records public, despite lengthy delays on its new domestic network.

That won't do them any favours. As 777ER has said in the last thread, they are changing a lot of the departure times for domestic flights, I wonder is that for adjusting to the frequent delays.


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6428 posts, RR: 38
Reply 11, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week ago) and read 12550 times:



Quoting 777ER (Thread starter):
An NZ B772ER and an A1GP race car have been snapped racing each other at high speeds along AKLs runways by TV and media cameras, and even on youtube.

A couple of pics here, taken by me and fellow A.Netter Colin Hunter: http://www.airplane-pictures.net/news.php?p=177

Quoting MotorHussy (Reply 2):

Umm well this deal won't be "approved" until the end of March, that's the deadline for all submissions. The board has already rejected the deal and I believe that the councils and Infratil all keep their shares, leaving the decision for basically all of the minority shareholders, and if 100% approve, it may go through however I doubt that it'll get very far.



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User currently offlineRongotai From New Zealand, joined Sep 2000, 477 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (6 years 8 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 12537 times:



Quoting Cchan (Reply 10):
It is still a very long way to fly a BBJ from the States to here

The Boeing BBJ can fly LAX-AKL non-stop (with 8 passengers!!).


User currently offlineAlangirvan From New Zealand, joined Nov 2000, 2106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (6 years 8 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 12508 times:



Quoting Cchan (Reply 1):
Got a couple of question here:
Where have the retired NZ 763s gone to. Ex ZK-NCE isn't with PX anymore?

Two or maybe three of the 763s were taken by UK carrier Globespan. I think I have seen a photo of one of those planes at AKL in Globespan colours.

If you read threads about Globespan, you will know these 763s have been involved in some soap operas, The first two were take by Globespan to operate between UK and Canada. Then Globespan leased these two planes out to Air India and had to find two substitute 763s for 2007 summer season. These planes did not have the interior Globespan were planning to offer, so passengers did not get Y+ seating that they were expecting. I think the two leased planes have gone home and Globespan are now using the ex AirNZ planes. If you check Globespan schedules, you could use these ex AirNZ planes to fly to the UK through YVR, but I do not think their flights to Canada are year round.


User currently offlineMotorHussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 3203 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (6 years 8 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 12506 times:



Quoting Rongotai (Reply 12):
The Boeing BBJ can fly LAX-AKL non-stop (with 8 passengers!!).

Well who were the (eight?) passengers?



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User currently offlineRongotai From New Zealand, joined Sep 2000, 477 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (6 years 8 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 12468 times:



Quoting MotorHussy (Reply 14):
Well who were the (eight?) passengers?

I don't know, but if there were 9 then they had to refuel somewhere!


User currently offlineAerokiwi From New Zealand, joined Jul 2000, 2707 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (6 years 8 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 12419 times:

I believe that Graeme Hart owns a BBJ. Are you sure it's not just his?

User currently offlineCchan From New Zealand, joined May 2003, 1761 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (6 years 8 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 12404 times:



Quoting Aerokiwi (Reply 16):
I believe that Graeme Hart owns a BBJ. Are you sure it's not just his?

With United States of America titles?


User currently offlineWorkFlyer From New Zealand, joined Dec 2006, 203 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 8 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 12352 times:

Quoting MotorHussy (Reply 14):
Quoting Rongotai (Reply 12):
The Boeing BBJ can fly LAX-AKL non-stop (with 8 passengers!!).

Well who were the (eight?) passengers?

There were some US congressmen in Auckland over the past few days here on a political exchange (Some NZ MPs had visited congress last year) More than likely their plane.

Here is the link to the herald item on them.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10486697

[Edited 2008-01-14 20:35:45]

User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12145 posts, RR: 17
Reply 19, posted (6 years 8 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 12313 times:
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Quoting Cchan (Reply 10):
Quoting 777ER (Reply 3):
Its a BBJ

It is still a very long way to fly a BBJ from the States to here.

The BBJs have the legs to get to AKL from LAX


User currently offlineAerorobNZ From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7186 posts, RR: 13
Reply 20, posted (6 years 8 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 12296 times:



Quoting Aerokiwi (Reply 16):
I believe that Graeme Hart owns a BBJ. Are you sure it's not just his?

definitely not. it had a military number not a letter rego, and was rather attractively presented in a version of the blue & white made famous by AF1. Mr Hart's BBJ is boring in comparison.


User currently offlineGeorgebush From New Zealand, joined Jul 2006, 679 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 8 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 12280 times:



Quoting 777ER (Reply 4):
Pacific Blue is calling on the Government to force airlines to make their on-time performance records public, despite lengthy delays on its new domestic network.


It has written to Transport Minister Annette King and Consumer Affairs Minister Judith Tizard urging the Government to set a reporting standard for airlines to state how often they are on time and the frequency of delays.

Why does DJ want to put themselves through that much embarrassment. The only reason I can think of is to try and steal QF pax, but when the public sees crap, and crap, they are going to go with good. We got chocolate today at work for our stellar on time performace which currently over the past few days has been over 90% incl. Freedom and Link.

I have a feeling the new livery is going to be a big change. Are they changing it again tho when the 787's enter service??

Also the Pink Flight of Fabulosity, is that plane getting painted pink for the flight?? There were people discussing this at work today, and I find it hardly even possible that NZ will paint an aircraft for a flight which hasn't even sold out yet.



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User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6428 posts, RR: 38
Reply 22, posted (6 years 8 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 12265 times:



Quoting Georgebush (Reply 21):
We got chocolate today at work for our stellar on time performace which currently over the past few days has been over 90% incl. Freedom and Link.

Does this explain the complimentary wine given on a flight from CHC to AKL this evening? Does anyone know how often this happens/reasons behind it?



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User currently offlineNZ1 From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 2265 posts, RR: 25
Reply 23, posted (6 years 8 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 12264 times:
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Quoting Cchan (Reply 1):
Where have the retired NZ 763s gone to. Ex ZK-NCE isn't with PX anymore?

2 are with Globespan, not sure what happened to NCE

Quoting 777ER (Reply 5):
Is the new livery a big change or a small change. I've been getting the impression over the last few months that the new livery will be abig change, and not just a remove this part, change the tail colours and leave the rest as it is.

Like I said on the other thread, no one has ever said it was going to be a huge change. You will have to wait and see. It is better than what we currently have though.

NZ1


User currently offlineECONOMICS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (6 years 8 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 12252 times:



Quoting Georgebush (Reply 21):
Quoting 777ER (Reply 4):
Pacific Blue is calling on the Government to force airlines to make their on-time performance records public, despite lengthy delays on its new domestic network.


It has written to Transport Minister Annette King and Consumer Affairs Minister Judith Tizard urging the Government to set a reporting standard for airlines to state how often they are on time and the frequency of delays.

Why does DJ want to put themselves through that much embarrassment. The only reason I can think of is to try and steal QF pax, but when the public sees crap, and crap, they are going to go with good. We got chocolate today at work for our stellar on time performace which currently over the past few days has been over 90% incl. Freedom and Link.

Maybe because they think their initial OTP due to teething problems which might now be sorted !!!

DJ are getting a lot of aircraft in the next 2 years & surely now with recession in USA & flow on effects & all the other OZ carriers incresing their fleets dramatically, the aircraft have to go somewhere. We think DJ will substitute e jets for 737's & 738's meaning they can be freed up & maybe pushed to Pacific Blue for NZ domestic or TT ops.


25 777ER : Keep in mind that the recent on time record, is for the whole DJ company, and not just PB
26 Nzrich : For the last month we have been serving award winning wines on flights with departures after 4 to 7.30pm mon-fri .. This has been because Air NZ spon
27 Post contains links Rongotai : www.flightstats.com can break down on time records to any level of discrimination you want - individual company, individual route, route by company,
28 Post contains links ECONOMICS : the fact there's a huge wine glut in OZ & NZ helps. They probably did a contra on the wine !!! There's been major dumping of both OZ & NZ wine in OZ
29 Nzrich : Yes but award winning wines will usually always sell .. Also its a prestige thing for wineries to say their wine was served on board Air NZ as even i
30 ECONOMICS : awards & awards-all sorts of wines get effected by gluts. People find a good wine being dumped (bad marketing perhaps?) & this might then drag down p
31 Post contains links and images KaiGywer : Hey guys, quick question from us over in the Minnesota thread. Does anybody know what this aircraft is doing in MSP? Been sitting at our executive ram
32 777ER : All of NZs Saab fleet has been retired, and replaced by Q300s. Its in storage after being (most likly) returned to its lessor/owner
33 Cchan : Talking about retired aircrafts, is the Air Chathams CV5 ZK-CID ever going to fly again? It has been sitting outside Fieldair at PMR for months, the p
34 DavidByrne : From the Waikato Times on-line, discussing HLZ's chances of getting in on trial of jets at a provincial level: This is the first mention I've seen of
35 Post contains images KaiGywer : If it wasn't an A-model, it'd fit in nice for Mesaba
36 SXI899 : The NCE has left PX, and now operates with PLUNA in Uruguay as the CX-PUG. As for the rest, the 'CF is now with LOT as the SP-LPF, the 'CH, the 'CN,
37 Cchan : Thanks for the info. Cheers. What is PX using for long-haul?
38 TG992 : A 757 on lease from Icelandair. TF-FII
39 DJ738 : Essentially, yes. Again, yes. Initial domestic-launch related delays are under control. DJ has experienced a run of unfortunate incidents, eg. tail s
40 TG992 : For some reason Air NZ has felt it necessary to release the following: MEDIA ADVISORY: 15 January 2008 Air New Zealand would like to clarify for media
41 ZKSUJ : Does it happen that often? I never would have thought so...
42 Post contains links Nzrich : The reason Air NZ has done this is because Pacific Blue was mentioned that it had sourced an agreement with Air NZ when it was defending its self ove
43 Georgebush : I have had people ask me at the ticket counter if they can get on one of our flights with a Pac Blue boarding pass (more like a shopping receipt). Th
44 Nzrich : Yes but they are new to the domestic market and as DJ738 mentioned they are amending their schedules for on time performance .. Their problem is with
45 Rongotai : However there is strong industry gossip that they are now suffering serious staff turnover and that they cannot recruit fast enough to replace those
46 Georgebush : What do you mean by that?? I know that they have something like they have to clock out in-between flights and such. We were referring to the ground s
47 Rongotai : I was referring to someone who was working out his notice. I understand that the greatest problem is aircrew. There is a lot of complexity with diffe
48 777ER : I remember that aircraft sitting at PMR since 2006. When I first saw it, it had its engines attached, when I saw it again around March last year, its
49 Post contains links 777ER : NZ is adding another new flight, WLG-Whakatane using a 1900D, six a days a week. Flights start on May 19 and NZ will trail the flights for six months.
50 777ER : Just seen on One News that a Piper has crashed on a charter flight from Hokitika - CHC, near Lake Coleridge, which is about half way between Hokitika
51 NZ1 : Its hard to find additional 733 capacity in the current market. It's not a done deal yet, but a 734 may be all we can get. Most PB flight crew, and c
52 DJ738 : 777ER, you're correct. The agreement that is spoken of is for the provision of ground equpiment, as I understand. In fact, the complete opposite is t
53 ECONOMICS : Ozjet 733's for services to PMR start arriving in about 6 weeks, just heard on the grapevine. That gives Ozjet nearly a month to get them sorted ready
54 777ER : More on the Piper crash in Canterbury today. Police have been advised by RCCNZ of a Piper Cherokee aircraft that has crashed near Lake Coleridge, Cant
55 Rongotai : No, he didn't 'lie'. He span. As I recall he said something like 'We've had 93% except for a couple of days'. Add in the 'couple of days' and the com
56 Axio : Schedules still haven't been released, and to my knowledge you can't buy a ticket. Are they trying really really hard to make it not work? ax
57 Axio : I assume the 734 and 733 are very similar from a maintenance stand-point so the 734 would be an easy substitute? Otherwise there would also be some v
58 PA515 : The two Fischer Air 737-33A's stored at Prague would appear to be suitable. Are you able to say if these are being considered? PA515
59 Georgebush : Yes, but I had only heard this from someone. I am not sure if it is actually true or not. I like a couple of the DJ ground staff at WLG, I use one la
60 Nzrich : Yes but maybe NZ have been getting people thinking that there is an agreement also for passengers and they are just clarifying the position ..
61 DJ738 : In terms of cabin crew, in fact DJ pay is superior to that of QF (Jetconnect) and NZ (Zeal). I am not willing to post specific details on here, obvio
62 TG992 : ZEAL pay is about 1200 per fortnight which is peanuts considering the hours they fly. The few allowances they get do push that up slightly. QF domesti
63 Cchan : Are these aircrafts going to be purchased or leased?
64 ECONOMICS : might be a few (hundred) 737's looking for homes soon in the U.S. !!! Does Citibank get into aircraft financing ? They just posted an 11 billion loss
65 SunriseValley : Is engine compatibility a requisite or will spares come with any new acquisitions ?
66 ECONOMICS : Don't most 733's have similar engines, ie. not like with some aircraft where they can chose from 3 different manufacturers. Was reading about Southwe
67 SunriseValley : I think you are right . The Boeing load /range chart for the 733 only shows one engine although there are two variants. The 734 shows the same engine
68 Post contains links 777ER : More of yesterdays Piper crash in Canterbury. Mexican pilots die in fiery Canterbury crash Two Mexican men died when their small, fixed-wing plane cra
69 Rongotai : Actual pay isn't the only factor - in fact it isn't the main factor for many employees in the industry. In the case of New Zealand the opportunities
70 Nzrich : They might all be 733's but im sure NZ has a age bracket they are looking at also .. Take a look at the reliability of the NZ and QF 733's both maint
71 NZ107 : Just one question - if they're considering buying things like the 734, why don't they launch into a 73G/H bid now? Is the price too high or something?
72 Zkpilot : Um Jetconnect crew have never been able to 'transfer' to mainline. Even lately when mainline needed extra crew they secondered some Jetconnect crew o
73 NZ1 : Pretty much the same, the main difference is in the way the air-conditioning system is setup. I don't know if these have been looked at or not. Sorry
74 Cchan : Does Ozjet has a comparable reliability to NZ, QF, DJ, and SJ? There was a thread not too long ago about parts dropped off their 732s in two occasion
75 EDICHC : The two young men on board were students at the International Aviation Academy at Canterbury Aero Club. They were both holders of PPL's and were clos
76 Post contains links 777ER : Third main trunk airline boosts airport numbers Pacific Blue's arrival on the domestic main trunk has given a significant boost to the number of passe
77 Zkojh : the short amount of 733's in the market is very hard, if NZ are finding them hard to get then no wonder 'WW' can't get any either - no wonder we can't
78 ZKSUJ : Its sad. Condolences from myself as well. Hopefully just a bad phase for them. It was only a few years ago when parts were falling off NZ aircraft as
79 SQ6807 : NZ has a frustrating history of underupdating their domestic narrow body jet fleet. When they purchased 733s, admittedly some of the last to come off
80 Zkpilot : Well NZ weren't getting any of the first bunch of aircraft as NZ is the launch customer for the 789... possibly still a delay but Boeing might be abl
81 DavidByrne : I'm wondering whether obtaining more 737s is an expedient to see whether there is demand for jet services to the provinces (ie, a real test to see wh
82 Rongotai : It wasn't 'just a bad run'. It was a consequence of a policy of parts acquisition that led to a serious quality problem. NZ learnt from that (I hope!
83 Cchan : If I remember correctly, the Ozjet incidents were more serious, some parts of the wing came off during flight, and things happened to two different a
84 Rongotai : I would argue that NZs series of turbine blade failures were as potentially catastrophic as Ozjet's droops. The Ozjet was more dramatic because it ha
85 ZKSUJ : I stand corrected then.apologies I was meaning the wing panel that wasn't bolted on properly, the bit that dropped off the 767 on finals and the flap
86 NZ1 : The 767 incident was metal fatigue. The 747 flap, was a broken attach fitting, a fault admitted by Boeing. The 747 panel, was a maintenance error. 2
87 Cchan : I have this impression that NZ (SJ, DJ and QF) maintenance is better than Ozjet. Of course I don't have any proof, just an impression.
88 777ER : The quality of an aircrafts conditions depends on who the MX provider is, and how old and how many cycles an aircraft has. Ozjets B732s are very high
89 ZKSUJ : Thats what I meant by a run of bad luck. One would imagine its hard to point the fingure solely at anyone. It happens, these things happen in threes
90 ZKSUJ : How has the BA 777 incident at LHR affected any of our flights? Delays or diversions by any chance?
91 MotorHussy : "our" is a pretty old fashioned term
92 ZKSUJ : Sorry I meant any NZ flights.
93 Georgebush : Our flights out of LHR yesterday were running about 3 hrs late. The planes were already there so it was a matter of getting them out. I didn't notice
94 Post contains links 777ER : While browsing trademe, I noticed an ad from SkyJet Pacific, advertising sale fares. The Bali fares look the same, but Ho Chi Minh City economy from $
95 AerorobNZ : NZ1 this AM arrived at 0658 instead of 0545 due to the one runway down at LHR. NZ38 arrived at around 1140 instead of 1045. That would have been leavi
96 Cchan : Any idea what causes the huge delay of NZ6 AKL-LAX on Sat 19 Jan. At around 5 pm, they announced that due to engineering requirements, this flight is
97 ZK-NBT : Not sure, they may have kept SUI for one of the LHR flights to get them both out ontime later in the evening. The 744's are fully utilized at the mom
98 Cchan : Looks like ZK-CID is permanently parked there for other CV5 to come and take parts off it. There was an Air Freight CV5 there yesterday, and a truck
99 777ER : I've heard that the CV5 works very well for Air Chatams, due to their freight options, and its one of the few TPs that can reach the Chathams without
100 PA515 : Safeair chartered Mount Cook 748's for a while. Perhaps the 1900D could do it from WLG. PA515
101 777ER : I remember reading in a Pacific Wings mag last year or the year before, in an interview with the CEO at Air Chathams, and it was said that the CV5s a
102 PA515 : Not for cargo, possible pax only NZ service. It was a regular charter for an extended time. From memory it was between when the Argosy was retired an
103 PA515 : Or it may have been when the last Argosy was having maintenance checks. There were two, SAE and SAF but one was withdrawn due to airframe fatigue. PA5
104 Nzrich : Now i believe the ATR72 also went there when Air NZ operated that route after the HS748 fleet was retired .. But i could be wrong there but im pretty
105 Cchan : Those CV5 need to retire one day, when all the parts aircrafts cannot provide a part they want, the main aircraft ZK-CIB is somewhere between 40 and 5
106 Post contains links PA515 : Thought I better do some checking. Safeair Argosy ZK-SAF's port main undercarrige collapsed on landing 1 April 1990 and it was written off. http://avi
107 777ER : When Air Chathams operate flights back to the Chathams, they require upto half the aircraft to be loaded with freight, as having freight go by air is
108 Rongotai : A suitable aircraft for the Chathams is a big ask. It is pretty much a unique route globally - pehaps the only comparisons are some in Alaska and nort
109 ZKSUJ : If we are talking about Air Chathams renewing their fleet, why not an older ATR 72-200 but make it a combi. so say 40 seats or so with the rest freig
110 Nzrich : Well the Casa will depend on how much it costs .. Unfortunately the flight to the Chathams has always been expensive i would assume the landing charge
111 AerorobNZ : Could well have had the issue fixed where the aircraft came from (BNE from memory) with the delay being due to the late arrival being because it was
112 NZ107 : Wouldn't it be easy enough to get an older Dash 8? How many Dash 7s are there around? The STOL capabilities of the Dash 8 might help as it only has a
113 777ER : If an ATR is used, then the front would have to be for Freight, with the back for pax. This might cause an issue thou, especially with fish as the fr
114 DavidByrne : If what you're referring to is the CASA CN-235, then the A-net aircraft specs pages show that it has a range at max payload of 430nm - not even enoug
115 Georgebush : Well it wouldn't be that hard to retro fit an ATR with a refrigerated hold. And with NZ dumping their's soon it should be fairly easy for Chathams to
116 Rongotai : I misprinted - but so has A-Net. It has a range of 2800km. at max load. The one that came to Wellington last month flew non-stop from Noumea. My othe
117 Post contains links PA515 : This is why it may be time for Air NZ to resume a passenger service, especially if Air Chathams pax are subsidising the freight operation. I was look
118 Rongotai : It is not a matter of passengers 'subsidising' a freight operation. It is a matter of there being no viable service at all unless the two are combine
119 777ER : Only problem is that the Chathams has got restrictions on how many tourists can stay on the Island at any one time due to its size, and the limited n
120 Post contains images Cchan : My guess is that when the CV5 really need to retire, Air Chathams just shuts down. It doesn't look like Air Chathams can afford anything other than ol
121 Post contains links 777ER : Pilot faces charges of breaching flight rules A pilot yesterday faced charges brought by the Civil Aviation Authority that he made flights in poor wea
122 LeonJunior : BAY FLIGHT INTERNATIONAL-Taurangga,new zealand hi.. is there anyone here know about the flight trainin Bay flight int. mentioned above... i am wonderi
123 NZ107 : Any more news yet on the next Pacific Blue announcement for new domestic routes? In that case... How about buying a Hercules?
124 DJ738 : It could be some time away yet...
125 Post contains images ZKSUJ : Tough luck trying to get them off the RNZAF if that's the plan. They will probably stay with the Air Force for another 40 glorious years
126 Flyjetstar : Just wondering what the chances are of SQ increasing CHC-SIN flights. I know they had 8 flights over the summer and are returning to 6 during the wint
127 Post contains links Flyjetstar : Check out this tribute to Sir Ed done by a couple of mates of mine.
128 NZ1 : ZK-PBI, aircraft number 7 ex VH-VOH is having it's transition check done at ANZES CHC last week of Feb, so hopefully they have somewhere to deploy it
129 NZ747 : Wouldn't there be issues in regards to ETOPS when flying twin engined aircraft with pax to the Chathams? Currently there are 4 Air Chathams C580's inc
130 NZ107 : Ok, thanks. Do you think they'll try and stabilise the take off performances first? haha that might help their image especially when spread by word o
131 Post contains links 777ER : Mexican pilot crawled 30m before dying One of two Mexicans killed in a plane crash in Canterbury this month was able to crawl 30m from the plane befor
132 Alangirvan : When SQ have more spare planes available, perhaps a daytime departure from SIN, then a midnight departure from CHC- this would give a mid afternoon a
133 Alangirvan : I have just come back to DUD after my five day trip to WLG. This was my first domestic AirNZ journey for some time. In Flight AirNZ gave us a great ri
134 ZKSUJ : I agree with the kiosks saving minimal time. But I like it for the seat maps and seat selections. Things and seating assignments can change from the
135 Post contains images Axio : Just wondering if anyone knows why ZK-NQC, the Airworks B732 was in PMR today? If was parked to the south of the terminal and looked fairly shut-down
136 NZ747 : Comes into palmy occasionally using its registration callsign "November Quebec Charlie". Usually doing charters or freight. On some occasions I've se
137 Georgebush : I half heartedly agree with you on this. However, the kiosks do save you time the majority of the time. When checking in on the kiosk there is no nee
138 Alangirvan : We need a new definition of check in, because the airline does not know if we have turned up until we are walking on to the plane. I was surprised wh
139 SXI899 : The Chathams are less than two hours flying time from Christchurch, therefore any two engined passenger aircaft is within 60 minute flying time from
140 Cchan : Can the CV5 fly on one engine for an hour?
141 DJ738 : The aircraft that is joining the Pac Blue fleet from VirginBlue is VH-VUH, named Lady Rebecca..... Not VOH....
142 Rongotai : I would like to hear what people think about the likely impact on NZ of AF starting up LHR-LAX in March.
143 Post contains links 777ER : It appears as if Alpha Aviation from HLZ who went into receivership a few days ago, could be given a life line European player eyes Kiwi aircraft make
144 777ER : NZ Grab a Seat today is going to be BIG. International flights will be MEL, SYD, BNE, CNS, NAN, Apia and Tahiti with a good number of domestic flights
145 Cchan : I noticed that too, but prices seem to be the usual prices they offer for grab a seat, not the $8 domestic flights. AKL-APW is $129, which is good.[E
146 TG992 : Some very sad news - Air NZ will stop the 3x weekly NAN-LAX services from 26 April 2008. The capacity will be redeployed to other, higher-yielding rou
147 767ER : That is sad news. i wonder where the 767s will be redeployed too? Wonder if it has to do wth the political instability that has plagued Fiji for the l
148 Zkpilot : Even with bags they do save time in the whole process, however airlines use the kiosks as a way of cutting back the numbers of staff they use. So the
149 Post contains links Flyjetstar : Anyone else heard about this story? A packed passenger jet from the Virgin Group airline Pacific Blue spent a chaotic 90 minutes parked on the tarmac
150 Georgebush : The NZ check-in kiosks will only display 30%-40% of the seats that are actually available or not occupied. This is done due to weight and balance so
151 777ER : Would NZ replace those services with an FJ codeshare?
152 VHVXB : yes I believe they will increase to 6 weekly from the current 3 weekly.
153 777ER : Just read on another thread about NZs choice, and yes NZ will code share on FJs 6x services, but won't allow NZ airpoints
154 Mr AirNZ : Denied boarding happens across all airlines and every now and then Air NZ also get mentioned in the media about things like this. I feel Pac Blue are
155 Alangirvan : I think this had been done for no other reason than to give FJ a break. Now at least they will get decent utilisation of their two 744s. But American
156 Alangirvan : Ryanair is increasing checked baggage and airport check-in fees with immediate effect for all new bookings as part of what it claims is "its continued
157 777ER : But apparantly, no NZ Airpoints on FJ Does RyanAir actually want to stay in business and force other pax onto the competition? With all these pathiti
158 Alangirvan : Well, apparently lots of people fly Ryanair. Easyjet followed them, and they now charge to check in a bag. If you look at the Air Asia site, you prepa
159 777ER : If Easyjet and RyanAir are your only way of getting to where you need to go, then you obviously have no choice, but if your have other options, like
160 Post contains links 777ER : Chch airport second in the world to go carbon neutral Christchurch International Airport has gone carbon neutral, making it the second airport company
161 Axio : Thats good, but I think the radionz headline was more apt: 'Christchurch airport carbon neutral - apart from planes'. It feels a little like a petrol
162 Flyjetstar : That most quality of papers, The Press from Christchruch is leading with this story this morning with a typically tabloid headline. Ah another great
163 Nzrich : Well its in the Heralds website and it made the melbourne age so DJ is going to get pretty bad publicity all around NZ and Australia .. Maybe DJ need
164 Post contains links DavidByrne : http://www.fourcorners.co.nz/new-zea...-detail/index.cfm/articleId/17710/ NZ is slashing air fares on a whole raft of domestic routes; the implication
165 NZ1 : Sorry, a bit of a typo on my part. NZ1
166 777ER : I've just done a flight search from WLG-TRG, and fares on that route have not dropped. Not all regional routes have had price drops. Is this just a m
167 Post contains links Flyjetstar : It does appear from the NZ website that the route you chose isn't one of the ones selected to have lower fares. This link details the chosen routes.
168 NZ107 : Extension of YVR/SFO/LAX/PVG to UK/Europe? As Pacific Blue looks to expand, NZ have found an opportunity to lower their fares now. As you can see the
169 Flyjetstar : This was something that was touched on in the previous thread but QF are really taking NZ for granted despite what they said towards the end of last
170 777ER : I had seen that page, but I was wondering if all the routes would get price drops, or just the routes that have had a seat increase per flight or rou
171 Xiaotung : Just did some search online and found the Shanghai flights will decrease to 3 weekly some time in April, well before the Olympics and continue to be 3
172 Kiwiandrew : perhaps Mr Fyfe has read Korumans posts
173 Flyjetstar : From The Press this morning: Air New Zealand has cut some fares by nearly a third in an attempt to fill its planes. Travellers will pay between 9 per
174 Hornetfan : Looks like Koroman was right, maybe some apologies may come his way.
175 SQ6807 : This is a nice quote from the Pacific Blue CEO - but it simply inaccurate. Airlines *do* make more profits by selling few seats at high fares, as com
176 777ER : I think you will find that Rob Fyfe made those comments "Air New Zealand chief executive Rob Fyfe said the fare reductions were designed to stimulate
177 777ER : Just heard on the WLG arrivals channel on my scanner that DJ3011 from AKL has a 100% load factor. Today is Wellington cup day, so that might have a fa
178 Alangirvan : I take it the new fare announcements are 'lead-in' fares, and the number of seats really available will be at the discretion of AirNZ's yield manageme
179 NZ1 : That's the problem these days. People don't seem to understand that you can't make money by selling seats at this price. Rather than moan about the p
180 Flyjetstar : While you might have a fair(fare) point I don't think you are comparing the same markets. Those who are looking at the ferry etc have more time and m
181 Hornetfan : I did exactly this a couple of years back and worked out for my wife and I that we can afford to pay $500 between us to fly Auckland to Wellington be
182 Alangirvan : $39 are the introductory offer - you grab them when they are there, or the fares that AirNZ do to compete. You know they are only there for a short ti
183 Rongotai : And when they do that they look at the cheapest fares over there ans also forget about which airports the LCC flies to. I've just scoped a fare by Ry
184 Georgebush : QF is diving into the fight as well. I was booking flights for friends this morning, and last night the first QF flight WLG-AKL was $89, this morning
185 SpinalTap : Both NZ and QF are probably discounting because Pacific Blue are having a 48 hour 4th Birthday Sale, one way fares: AKLCHC $59 AKLWLG $29 AKL–BNE/O
186 Alangirvan : I hope none of the Cabin Crew get sick for your return flight.
187 Georgebush : He will be sweet as long as he is the first to check in.
188 Post contains images NZ1 : Hey, by all means, yes, go for it. You'd be a mug not to take a deal when you can. My point was that people seem to expect all prices to be this low,
189 Alangirvan : I look at a lot of the offers that overseas carriers have, and often you are lucky to get a great deal. If you want to fly Easy or Ryan really cheaply
190 777ER : But naturally that will only work for a few airports, especially Paraparaumu, Masterton who will only at first get flights from AKL.
191 777ER : Just looked on PacBlues web-site and WLG-BNE, AKL-OOL, AKL-CHC and AKL-RAR sale fares have sold out
192 Cchan : They will get you there on the next flight, just be prepared to wait if you have paid only $39. I always wondered if we divide the total costs of fly
193 LeonJunior : I just found out tht currently the cheapest way to get to Asia from Nz is by Jet star and Airasia X transiting through gold coast and Kuala Lumpur. Ju
194 Rongotai : Is that fare inclusive or exclusive of the OOG and KUL departure taxes in both directions? Also - do you have to stay then ight in both directions?
195 LeonJunior : The price is inclusive all the taxes. Only have to stay overnight for the outbound and not inbound. You have to work up the schedules, it will match e
196 Post contains links Alangirvan : Just wait till Air Asia X build one of their Tune Hotels at the Gold Coast. Then, even the overnight stay will not cost too much. www.tunehotels.com
197 Rongotai : . I know it depends on availability and conditions, but I'm not sure this is a better deal than the $1549 return SQ fare I can see. (by the time you'
198 Post contains links 777ER : It looks like New Zealands East Coast is in for another battering in the next 24 hours thanks to a tropical cyclone, with the eye of the storm passing
199 LeonJunior : Nah. I wouldn't be staying at the hotel. I will just leave my luggage at the Gold coast airport and get to casino and spend my night there. According
200 Rongotai : OK. But I think that you are part of a fairly small market segment. (I suppose there is also a segment for which an en route night in a casino makes
201 NZ107 : Can they get anything right? It's not a tropical cyclone, more a tropical depression. Although it's only another $250 or so more for Cathay Pacific's
202 Post contains links 777ER : New Zealand Aviation Thread #22 (by 777ER Jan 26 2008 in Civil Aviation)
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