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Airbus Ground Test Accident Last Year - Any News?  
User currently offlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2699 posts, RR: 25
Posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 4234 times:

I just searched for some more information about the cause of the accident and checked also the old topic. Are there any news about the cause of the accident?

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User currently offlineBreiz From France, joined Mar 2005, 1917 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3839 times:



Quoting N14AZ (Thread starter):
Are there any news about the cause of the accident?

The BEA (French investigation body) report will take some time before being completed and released.
It has already been clarified by the BEA and Airbus that:
- there was nothing wrong with the plane,
- the relevant manufacturer's guidelines were not followed (unchocked, full power all engines),
- the customer was in charge of that particular test.
I doubt that the final report will bring more than that.
And it will take even more time to know how the consequences of the crash were delt with between Airbus and Etihad.


User currently offlineVinnieWinnie From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 789 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3721 times:



Quoting Breiz (Reply 1):
- the customer was in charge of that particular test.

Ie their pilots were responsible therefore their fault?


User currently offlineScouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3387 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3644 times:



Quoting VinnieWinnie (Reply 2):

Ie their pilots were responsible therefore their fault?

From what I remember at the time, the testing was being performed by a third party contractor working for EY so it's even more complicated!


User currently offlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2699 posts, RR: 25
Reply 4, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3603 times:



Quoting VinnieWinnie (Reply 2):
Quoting Breiz (Reply 1):
- the customer was in charge of that particular test.

Ie their pilots were responsible therefore their fault?

Sounds like the beginning of an interesting legal dispute. The fact that Airbus representatives were on board makes the situation complicated, I guess. I can already hear the lawyer of EY saying "Yes, we didn't follow the manufactures rules but your representative didn't advice us to stop that." Finally, the question will be whose insurance pays: Airbus's insurance, EY's insurance or both of them.


User currently offlineZeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 9002 posts, RR: 75
Reply 5, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3089 times:



Quoting N14AZ (Thread starter):
Are there any news about the cause of the accident?

Don't expect anything too fast, it was not an "accident" when the ICAO standard of the term is applied as it happened during ground runs where no intention for the aircraft to be flown. Non-accident events get lower priority levels from investigators.

Quoting N14AZ (Reply 4):
Finally, the question will be whose insurance pays: Airbus's insurance, EY's insurance or both of them.

The asset was clearly Airbuses, it had not been transferred to EY. I think you will find Airbus self insures for this sort of event.



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User currently offlineFly2CHC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2837 times:



Quoting Breiz (Reply 1):
- the customer was in charge of that particular test.

Do you have a source where they have publicly stated this?


User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12134 posts, RR: 51
Reply 7, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2830 times:

Has the airplane been "officially" written off? The damage was significant.

User currently offlineCFMitch56 From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 97 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2674 times:


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I couldn't find any more recent photos of it in the database besides this one. Can anyone report on the current condition or location of the aircraft? Have they gently brought it down off the blast ramp/deflector? Does it still have the EY livery, or did they cover that up within a few days?


User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12466 posts, RR: 46
Reply 9, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2646 times:
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Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 7):
Has the airplane been "officially" written off? The damage was significant.

I haven't seen anything official from Airbus, but I have definitely read reports that the frame is a w/o (not surprisingly). Significant parts look as though they would be salvageable though, and we know the engines work!



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User currently offlinePADSpot From Germany, joined Jan 2005, 1676 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2562 times:



Quoting N14AZ (Reply 4):
Sounds like the beginning of an interesting legal dispute. The fact that Airbus representatives were on board makes the situation complicated, I guess.

If the airplane was still property of Airbus and Etihad contracted a third party company to conduct tests, then I am convinced that Etihad will have taken over responsibility (in a written and signed from) for the airplane for the time of the test (because Airbus owed the airplane to Etihad). In turn there will be a legal arrangement between the third party and Etihad. At any given time it must be 100% clear who bears responsibility. Anything else would be a serious case of "administrative negligence" by Airbus and/or Etihad. You simply don't let anybody take a ride on a 200Mil$-Toy without the necessary paper work.


User currently offlineDAYflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2492 times:

Perhaps the wings,engines, and stabilizer were salvagable? Hard to tell from the photo.


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User currently offlineSinlock From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1645 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2377 times:

Any place to see more recent photos? All I've seen is stuff from just after the event but nothing from after the aircraft was moved. Also where are the remains located?


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