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User currently offlineAruba From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 128 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 6 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1848 times:

Hi, I have 3 questions.

1)Why does SA have to stop in DKR on their flights from JFK - JNB and from JNB - IAD?

2)Why DKR, why not Lagos or Luanda?

3)And I'm just wondering, how come there is no photos of any SA A340-600's in IAD? There are only the photos of the first flight with the 747.  Smile

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User currently offlineOly720man From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 6674 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (6 years 6 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1836 times:



Quoting Aruba (Thread starter):
3)And I'm just wondering, how come there is no photos of any SA A340-600's in IAD? There are only the photos of the first flight with the 747.

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User currently offlineVasu From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 3849 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 6 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1811 times:



Quoting Aruba (Thread starter):
And I'm just wondering, how come there is no photos of any SA A340-600's in IAD? There are only the photos of the first flight with the 747

I guess its just that none of the photos are recent enough... SA haven't had any 744s for a while now

Quoting Aruba (Thread starter):
2)Why DKR, why not Lagos or Luanda?

Good question... I wonder this too...


User currently offlineOly720man From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 6674 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (6 years 6 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1794 times:



Quoting Aruba (Thread starter):
2)Why DKR, why not Lagos or Luanda?

DKR is roughly half way - around 4000miles each segment. It's 1500 miles from DKR to Lagos and around 3000 miles from Lagos to JNB... so further.



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User currently offline787KQ From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 547 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 6 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1791 times:



Quoting Aruba (Thread starter):
1)Why does SA have to stop in DKR on their flights from JFK - JNB and from JNB - IAD?

2)Why DKR, why not Lagos or Luanda?

SA flies IAD to JNB nonstop and stops in Dakar on the return. Why winds which make to difficult to have a full load on the way from JNB to IAD.

Why Dakar instead of Lagos? SA did try Lagos, but there were apparently issues with the codeshare I believe with Nigerian Airlines, several times a week. Poor perception on Lagos. So they moved.

Luanda? It would be difficult to get frequencies and would have perception issues.


User currently offlineAruba From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 128 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 6 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1786 times:

And why when I was on the flight from JFK-JNB, right when we were taxing to the runway in DKR the Flight Attendents sprayed this spray around the whole cabin. They held it above there heads and just walked through the whole aircraft. But they didn't do this in JFK. They did it on my return flight to IAD also in DKR.

What was this stuff. It smelled sort of good. But it made the whole cabin foggy for a few minutes.



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User currently offlineJAGflyer From Canada, joined Aug 2004, 3492 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (6 years 6 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1777 times:



Quoting Aruba (Reply 5):

This is an anti-insect spray. I have heard of it being used on flights from Africa and the Caribean where insects/disease may be a problem.



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User currently offlineA390 From South Africa, joined Sep 2005, 204 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 6 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1770 times:

Health regulations and DKR has a malaria problem.

User currently offlineSignol From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2007, 2992 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (6 years 6 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1731 times:



Quoting Aruba (Thread starter):
1)Why does SA have to stop in DKR on their flights from JFK - JNB and from JNB - IAD?

I think this is because JNB is at a high altitude, so they schedule a fuel stop to reduce the fuel load in order to take off in the thin air. The aircraft are capable of doing USA-JNB non-stop, but I'm not sure that they do - they stop in Dakar southbound to provide a connecting service there. It's also closest to halfway. A sea level airport (eg CPT) wouldn't need the stop.

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User currently offlineAnsett767 From Australia, joined May 1999, 1021 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (6 years 6 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1678 times:



Quoting Aruba (Reply 5):
What was this stuff. It smelled sort of good. But it made the whole cabin foggy for a few minutes.

It's weird, as on my VS flight from LHR to SYD.. on the HKG to SYD sector they sprayed it... but not when I have taken the QF flight form HK to SYD odd!


User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8526 posts, RR: 14
Reply 10, posted (6 years 6 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1662 times:
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Quoting Ansett767 (Reply 9):
It's weird, as on my VS flight from LHR to SYD.. on the HKG to SYD sector they sprayed it... but not when I have taken the QF flight form HK to SYD odd!

that is because all QF ( and NZ ) aircraft are treated with a residual insecticide from time to time and so there is no longer any need to spray on arrival into New Zealand or Australia , for other carriers it is not worth the hassle of having all their a/c treated for the occassional rotation into Australia or New Zealand so they just get sprayed on arrival ( or , more usually , at top of descent )



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User currently offlineSpeedbird128 From Pitcairn Islands, joined Oct 2003, 1648 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (6 years 6 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1651 times:



Quoting Signol (Reply 8):
The aircraft are capable of doing USA-JNB non-stop, but I'm not sure that they do - they stop in Dakar southbound to provide a connecting service there

They do fly non-stop, the A343 and A346 fly in non-stop from KIAD, and I think it's in the order of around 15 to 16 hours flying. Outbound is a stop in GOOY due to range issues with cargo, high altitude at JNB and winds.



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User currently offlineN383PA From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 104 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 6 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1630 times:



Quoting Speedbird128 (Reply 11):
They do fly non-stop, the A343 and A346 fly in non-stop from KIAD, and I think it's in the order of around 15 to 16 hours flying. Outbound is a stop in GOOY due to range issues with cargo, high altitude at JNB and winds.

I doubt that SA fly the A343 nonstop from IAD to JNB as the A346 just about manage to do this and they have to
leave about 20 seats empty due to weight restrictions. As far as I know the A343 has less range than the
A346.

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User currently offline787KQ From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 547 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 6 months 2 days ago) and read 1577 times:



Quoting JAGflyer (Reply 6):
This is an anti-insect spray. I have heard of it being used on flights from Africa and the Caribean where insects/disease may be a problem.

So insects are a problem in the US, which explains the spraying before landing in Sydney?

Chalk it up to paranoia put into regs.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24658 posts, RR: 22
Reply 14, posted (6 years 6 months 22 hours ago) and read 1457 times:



Quoting 787KQ (Reply 13):
Quoting JAGflyer (Reply 6):
This is an anti-insect spray. I have heard of it being used on flights from Africa and the Caribean where insects/disease may be a problem.

So insects are a problem in the US, which explains the spraying before landing in Sydney?

Chalk it up to paranoia put into regs.

A species of insect pest unknown in Australia could easily arrive on an aircraft and potentially cause problems for their agriculture industry. Why not be on the safe side if they perceive a problem? They've been spraying aircraft arriving in Australia as long as I can remember. I think it's partly because Australia is so isolated geographically and many of its animal (and plant) species are found nowhere else.


User currently offlineAFGMEL From Australia, joined Jul 2007, 744 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 6 months 18 hours ago) and read 1413 times:

Indeed, as stated above, Australia is an Island. We have a fragile (and declining) eco system. Plenty of insects could cause devastation. It's not only the states, any country could cause a problem.


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User currently offlineAviateur From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1351 posts, RR: 12
Reply 16, posted (6 years 6 months 18 hours ago) and read 1407 times:



Quoting Aruba (Thread starter):
1)Why does SA have to stop in DKR on their flights from JFK - JNB and from JNB - IAD?

One reason: JNB is a high-elevation airport, which makes max weight takeoffs (i.e. full fuel) difficult on the westbound legs, particularly when en route winds are less than favorable.

SAA flew nonstop JFK-JNB for many years using the 747-SP and 747-400, but the reverse direction has always been a challenge.


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User currently offlineSAA201 From South Africa, joined May 2001, 512 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (6 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1304 times:



Quoting Aviateur (Reply 16):
SAA flew nonstop JFK-JNB for many years using the 747-SP and 747-400, but the reverse direction has always been a challenge.

SAA did not ever operate B747SP's from JFK to JNB non-stop, only B747-400's (and A340-300E's for a short while just after they were delivered)


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