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BSL-MLH On AF8350  
User currently offlineCharlipr From Puerto Rico, joined Dec 2005, 340 posts, RR: 1
Posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1511 times:

I was going thru the Delta PDF schedule and came across AF8350. It shows it is a 1mi flight from BSL-MSL with a total duration of 1 minute on an E190

http://images.delta.com/delta/pdfs/flight_schedules.pdf (Click on BASEL, SWITZERLAND)

I know LFSB is an airport with "two" IATA codes, one BSL and the other MLH if "two" different counries. But why do they even schedule a flight like these? I looked at the flight status and it showed the following:

http://www.delta.com/flifo/servlet/D...350&flight_date=Today&request=main

What's the deal?

Charlipr

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User currently offlineRJ100 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2000, 4118 posts, RR: 29
Reply 1, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 1467 times:

It is indeed one flight and is - in the systems- routed as Mulhouse-Basel-Paris, in reality of course simply flies from EuroAirport Basel/Mulhouse to Paris without a stop. One reason is customs which allows Air France to sell the flight from Basel and Mulhouse.

In fact the flights from Basel/Mulhouse to CDG are officially leaving Basel, Switzerland, while the flights from Basel/Mulhouse to ORY officially leave Mulhouse, France. But it is the same airline and same airport!

So if you take a flight from CDG to Basel/Mulhouse you receive "BSL" on your baggage tag (because you fly Paris-Mulhouse-Basel), and if you fly from ORY to Basel/Mulhouse you receive a "MLH" on your baggage tag!


Confused? Me too and I live in this region for more than 25 years!  Smile

Cheers
Thomas



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User currently offlineVinnieWinnie From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 772 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 1425 times:

Funny arrangement!

As far as I understand Basel - Mulhouse is actually located in france right? Who would it hurt if MLH was the only IATA code used?


User currently offlineGoldorak From France, joined Sep 2006, 1829 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 1416 times:

and you also get more miles when you fly BSL-CDG than MLH-ORY because it's considered as an international flight vs a domestic one !!!

Quoting VinnieWinnie (Reply 2):
As far as I understand Basel - Mulhouse is actually located in france right?

yes, it is


User currently offlineRJ100 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2000, 4118 posts, RR: 29
Reply 4, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 1369 times:

To make it even more complicated, the AF flights to CDG (that officially leave Basel/Switzerland) are docked on the French side of the airport, which means you need to cross the border first to France even though it's a flight from Switzerland.  bigthumbsup 


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User currently offlineCharlipr From Puerto Rico, joined Dec 2005, 340 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 1365 times:



Quoting RJ100 (Reply 4):
To make it even more complicated, the AF flights to CDG (that officially leave Basel/Switzerland) are docked on the French side of the airport, which means you need to cross the border first to France even though it's a flight from Switzerland.

Could it be any more difficult!!!!! I hope I would never have to take that flight!!!!


User currently onlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24796 posts, RR: 22
Reply 6, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 1351 times:



Quoting Charlipr (Reply 5):
Quoting RJ100 (Reply 4):
To make it even more complicated, the AF flights to CDG (that officially leave Basel/Switzerland) are docked on the French side of the airport, which means you need to cross the border first to France even though it's a flight from Switzerland.

Could it be any more difficult!!!!! I hope I would never have to take that flight!!!!

It's actually very convenient. It's the same at GVA which is also on the French border (but on the Swiss side). You preclear French immigration before departure, much like U.S. preclearance on flights from major Canadian cities to the USA. So when you arrive at CDG you're a domestic passenger and don't have any delays at passport control.

Once Switzerland joins Schengen later this year things will be simpler.


User currently offlineSandroZRH From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 3427 posts, RR: 50
Reply 7, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 1318 times:



Quoting Goldorak (Reply 3):
yes, it is

As far as I know, it is actually located on Swiss soil surrounded by France.


User currently offlineSignol From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2007, 2992 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1307 times:



Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 7):
As far as I know, it is actually located on Swiss soil surrounded by France.

The airport is completely on French soil, but there is a customs agreement with Switzerland, enabling it to appear that half of the landside area is located in Switzerland. There's even a road leading from this zone to Switzerland proper, with fences on either side.

signol



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User currently offlineLXM83 From Switzerland, joined May 2005, 610 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1302 times:



Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 7):
As far as I know, it is actually located on Swiss soil surrounded by France.

No, it's on French territory. However you can reach the "Swiss" side by road without having to go through customs/immigration. Swiss customs and immigration is then done in the terminal (but on French Territory). French police are responsible for security and traffic even on the Swiss side (unfortunately I know it too well as French police wrote a couple of parking fines for me... how nice...)

The ICAO airport code is LFSB with LF.. standing for any French airport.


User currently onlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24796 posts, RR: 22
Reply 10, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1302 times:



Quoting Signol (Reply 8):
Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 7):
As far as I know, it is actually located on Swiss soil surrounded by France.

The airport is completely on French soil, but there is a customs agreement with Switzerland, enabling it to appear that half of the landside area is located in Switzerland. There's even a road leading from this zone to Switzerland proper, with fences on either side.

There is a similar fenced road about 2 km long leading from France to GVA airport which is considered as French territory although it's within Switzerland. When you arrive in GVA (from any destination) you can decide whether to clear Swiss or French immigration/customs.


User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7402 posts, RR: 57
Reply 11, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 1270 times:

Actually, the EUROAIRPORT serves Three cities : Mulhouse (F), Basel (CH), Freiburg (D)

http://www.euroairport.com/

Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 7):
As far as I know, it is actually located on Swiss soil surrounded by France.

The Airport is completely located on the French territory, with one special "swiss" road from the swiss side of the terminal direct to Basel.


[Edited 2008-01-14 15:23:44]

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