Sponsor Message:
Civil Aviation Forum
My Starred Topics | Profile | New Topic | Forum Index | Help | Search 
TWA Officially Files To End Karabu  
User currently offlineTrvlr From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4430 posts, RR: 21
Posted (13 years 7 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1885 times:

TWA Seeks To End Discount Ticket Pact With Icahn Co.
Updated 1:47 PM ET January 29, 2001

WASHINGTON (Dow Jones)--Trans World Airlines Inc. (TWA) is seeking court authority to reject its discount ticket arrangement with an entity led by financier Carl Icahn, characterizing certain anti-termination provisions within the agreement as "unenforceable."

The request, filed late Friday with the U.S. Bankruptcy Court in Wilmington, Del., brings to center stage an issue that has likely been one of the primary reasons behind Icahn's adamant opposition of AMR Corp.'s (AMR) American Airlines' bid to buy substantially all TWA's assets.

The 1993 discount ticket contract between TWA and Icahn's Karabu Corp. allows Karabu designee Lowestfare.com to purchase tickets from TWA at about 55% of the published fare. Lowestfare can then turn around and resell the tickets for its own profit, subject to certain conditions.

The American Airlines purchase arrangement, however, requires TWA to terminate, or "reject," the discount ticket deal.

Section 365 of the Bankruptcy Code generally allows a bankrupt party in its business judgment to opt whether to keep (assume) or reject current leases and contracts. The provision allows troubled entities to keep favorable arrangements while ridding itself of arrangements it determines to be unfavorable.

Icahn, in an apparent effort to avoid having the contract rejected in a bankruptcy filing, added certain provisions to the discount ticket contract that required TWA to assume, and not reject, the contract in the event it files for bankruptcy.

Counsel for Icahn couldn't be immediately reached for comment. Icahn hasn't yet filed a response to the rejection request.

In 1985, Icahn acquired a majority of TWA and three years later took the company private. In 1992, he ceded majority ownership of the airline to the company's creditors as part of a Chapter 11 reorganization. Although the company emerged from the filing in 1993, it again filed for Chapter 11 two years later in 1995.

TWA filed for Chapter 11 again on Jan. 10 in order to implement the sale of substantially all its assets to American Airlines.

Entities controlled by Icahn, including Karabu, High River Limited Partnership and Lowestfare have opposed the sale and related requests.

On Saturday, the U.S. District Court in Wilmington, Del., approved the bidding procedures, overruling objections by Icahn and others.


16 replies: All unread, jump to last
 
User currently offlineAA@DFW From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 397 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (13 years 7 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1823 times:

I hope that TWA gets their request approved.

AA@DFW


User currently offlineBH346 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3265 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (13 years 7 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1803 times:

GO TWA!!!

BH346



Northwest Airlines - Some People Just Know How to Fly
User currently offlineTrvlr From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4430 posts, RR: 21
Reply 3, posted (13 years 7 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1800 times:

Yes Die Carl Die! Out out!!!

Aaron G.


User currently offlineTWAneedsNOhelp From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (13 years 7 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1785 times:

I wouldn't wish for his death....(little immature), but it should be interesting to see what happens legally here. Ichan has provisions in the Karabu contract that protect it from Bankruptcy, yet bankruptcy is designed to assist struggling carriers from relieving crushing debt load and obligations. Whats the precedent here?

Ichan sure is one smart ass, he engineered a hell of a deal for himself, one tough guy.


User currently offlineWolfpacker From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 354 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (13 years 7 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1770 times:

I wouldn't wish death on anyone either, how about that he end up broke and on the streets?  Wink/being sarcastic

User currently offlineCorey777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (13 years 7 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1765 times:

It's about freakin' time. I hope the courts see it TWA's way.

Don't wish death on someone...it isn't painful enough.  Smile

Corey777


User currently offlineRaddog2 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (13 years 7 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1756 times:

It doesn't seem like the Karabu contract is enforceable if TWA is completely eaten up by AMR. What flights would be applicable under Karabu? Any flight connecting via STL? AMR could just say that these are new AA flights routed through St. Louis, not holdovers from TWA and therefore not subject to Karabu. The contract provisions specify TWA tickets. If there's no TWA -- where are the tickets? I think Icahn has no case.

User currently offlineTrvlr From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4430 posts, RR: 21
Reply 8, posted (13 years 7 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1745 times:

My god people, I was only saying that in a figurative sense!!!  Smile

Aaron G.


User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5771 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (13 years 7 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1734 times:

I agree with Corey- life is far more painful than death. Except for Ichann. Believeing in going to one of two places, I am sure that his death will be far more painful than that of many others. I can't comment on his religious beliefs, but actions betray thoughts.

Carl Ichann and Frank Lorenzo belong in the same solitary confinement cell- alone together. I have some other comments on what I would hope to happen to them in a jail setting, but this is a public board. And I don't believe in wasting soap.

Anyone who would do that to a business AND have a negative affect on the economy by limiting competition is clearly only in it for profit. Fortunately, a business run that way doesn't make a profit. Well I say fortunately, but I guess it isn't fortunate to loyal TWA or Eastern fans.

Randy


User currently offlineBlink182 From Azerbaijan, joined Oct 1999, 5480 posts, RR: 15
Reply 10, posted (13 years 7 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1725 times:

Go TWA/AA! Kick Carl's ASS!!


Give me a break, I created this username when I was a kid...
User currently offlineOH-LGA From Denmark, joined Oct 1999, 1436 posts, RR: 19
Reply 11, posted (13 years 7 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1707 times:

I think it's plenty of punishment the way we are all grossly misspelling Carl Icahn/Ichan/Ichann/Buttface (oops that last one is mine  Smile), but then again...
NO Big grin

I hope this Karabu deal goes down the tubes, that deal was one heck of a parasite feeding off of TWA...

Moi,
Kai



Head in the clouds... yet feet planted firmly on the ground.
User currently offline747-451 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 2417 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (13 years 7 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1700 times:

I hope Frank Lorenzo has Carl Ichan's Love Child!!!!!


There is a "special place" in Hell for the two of them, right in Satan's mouth. Read Dante's Inferno!


User currently offlineTrvlr From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4430 posts, RR: 21
Reply 13, posted (13 years 7 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1696 times:

How about we put them on a perpetual America West flight. Now that would be hell. Big grin

Aaron G.


User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (13 years 7 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1687 times:

When Karabu was signed, it was a legal agreement that was binding on both parties. TWA was under duress at the time, but could always have opted for chapter 7 in lieu of accepting the agreement. However, they chose to make a deal with the devil and have paid the price for it.

Karabu is not going to just go away whether AMR wants it to or not. The only way Karabu will go away is if AMR buys out Icahn with a sweetheart deal - but they will not commit to that until they are sure of a purchase price for TWA.

Don Carty is a smart man, but Carl Icahn is smarter and more experienced. Never underestimate the snake.


User currently offlineTWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 52
Reply 15, posted (13 years 7 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1681 times:

I disagree. Look at it this way: TWA's assets are being bought out of bankruptcy court in an auction process. American is currently the only bidder. The possibility exists that a higher bidder will enter the picture (the auction will be held in March). Let's say American didn't agree to acquire substantially all of TWA's assets and and airline's assets were bought by several airlines out of auction. Then what would happen to the Karabu contract? TWA as an incorporated entity is dead (or will be at some point in this process). Thus, contracts with this former incorporated entity also die. The contract was written so that TWA couldn't declare bankruptcy just so that it could reorganize itself to void the contract and emerge as an independent airline as it was before it entered such a bankruptcy. Also, the contract was written to survive if the company was bought or merged through a stock transaction. But the current scenario is different, and thus Karabu goes bye bye.


An unexamined life isn't worth living.
User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (13 years 7 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1677 times:

You raise good points TWFirst. However, the TWA deal is not a straightforward chapter 11 but rather one under section 363. There are petitions pending before the court by multiple parties to change this to a straightforward chapter 11. While I am not familiar enough with bankruptcy code to comment on the intricacies, it is my understanding that a straightforward chapter 11 reorganization would include Karabu as an outstanding liability that is correspondingly linked to certain assets. I am not certain of the specifics, but this is the opinion of persons who are, that Karabu would be saddled (or at least Icahn will petition for it to be saddled) upon the party that acquires those assets. It will be a long drawn out legal battle, and Icahn's lawyers have proven their ability to pull magic out of thin air before!

Top Of Page
Forum Index

This topic is archived and can not be replied to any more.

Printer friendly format

Similar topics:More similar topics...
United Files To End Contracts, Much Info posted Tue Mar 18 2003 03:58:28 by Speedport
Senator Files Bill To End Airline Flights At TUL posted Sat Jul 23 2005 00:28:51 by KarlB737
NWA Seeks To End American's Bid For China Route posted Sat Dec 9 2006 01:26:03 by KarlB737
Alitalia: Millemiglia FFP Due To End In 2007 posted Sat Nov 11 2006 18:26:02 by Wingedarrow
DL To End BDL-LAS posted Wed Oct 25 2006 05:58:50 by HVNandrew
NW Mechanics Agree To End Fourteen Month Strike posted Wed Oct 11 2006 00:31:49 by JetBlueAUS
AS To End Free Meals On Transcon Flights posted Fri Oct 6 2006 00:11:21 by COERJ145
NZ To End RAR-LAX Flights? posted Fri Sep 22 2006 00:38:46 by MRURUN
Spirit To End Turks & Caicos Service posted Tue Sep 19 2006 20:31:18 by FA4B6
Last Intact TWA CV-880 To Be Scrapped posted Mon Sep 18 2006 18:22:27 by Boeing767mech