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User currently offlineDartland From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 643 posts, RR: 2
Posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2498 times:
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Hi friends-

I'm doing some research on the US/HP merger for an M&A class.
I was hoping some of you might have some documents related to the merger back when it was in the works -- either from the airlines themselves or 3rd party sourcs (banks, consulting firms, etc.). I'm particularly interested in the synergies and assessment of value.

Please private message me if you have any files or post links on this thread if there are sources worth visiting.

Feel free to use this thread to share thoughts / data about the meger now 2.5 years later. I think it's particularly relevant given the DL talk lately. Do you think the lessons from that merger encourage DL? Or perhaps have dissuaded them and they simply are left with no choice?

Please try to limit your comments to facts backed-up by data. Opinions are good also, but at least find something to ground them in!

Much appreciated--

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User currently offlineJetdude From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 81 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2318 times:

I know that many here blame the Management for the failure to secure new union contracts. I believe that failure is very much shared with the employees, especially the East pilots. After agreeing to arbitration and than saying no to the outcome, well, how can anyone work with that?

Also, the issue with negotiations is not just happening at US, look to AA to see something similar. The difference is at AA the employees have a little more to stand on seeing that top management has been very happy to receive any kind of financial payback to themselves. Where Doug and partners at US, make less.

With any upcoming merger I believe we will see very difficult negotiations. Looking at DL and NW or UA, in a merger situation with one carrier being union and the other not, with the way AFA works, AFA will automatically want to put DL at the bottom of the seniority list. It doesn't reallly matter to AFA if that is fair or not.


User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 2258 times:



Quoting Jetdude (Reply 1):
I know that many here blame the Management for the failure to secure new union contracts. I believe that failure is very much shared with the employees, especially the East pilots.

 checkmark  After 2 1/2 years you would think someone on the East side would come to their senses?

When the 340's and 332 arrives, is there anything in writing that management couldn't shift that flying to the west pilots if no new contract is reached?  confused 

I guessing you're at Dartmouth, you should have access to everything you need, or your professors must have contacts..

Quoting Jetdude (Reply 1):
look to AA to see something similar. The difference is at AA the employees have a little more to stand on

When the pilots went out after the Reno Air purchased, didn't the AA union lose big time in court?


User currently offlineA330323X From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 3039 posts, RR: 44
Reply 3, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 2211 times:



Quoting Jetdude (Reply 1):
with the way AFA works, AFA will automatically want to put DL at the bottom of the seniority list. It doesn't reallly matter to AFA if that is fair or not.

AFA merger policy is date-of-hire.

Quoting AirCop (Reply 2):
When the 340's and 332 arrives, is there anything in writing that management couldn't shift that flying to the west pilots if no new contract is reached?

Yes, actually, there is. The transition agreement limits the West pilots to 1 European daily roundtrip (and limits the East pilots to 1 Hawaiian daily roundtrip.)



I'm the expert on here on two things, neither of which I care about much anymore.
User currently offlineAirmech From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 77 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2072 times:

There is a active discussion board at usaviation.com board used by both HP and US employees. This will give you a perspective from labors point of view. There have been many interesting documents posted to give you a inside view of the merger. You may want to post your question there also.

http://www.usaviation.com/forums/ind...7ca7bf68dfa803c333cbb&showforum=37


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