Markam From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 277 posts, RR: 2 Posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 3040 times:
In the last SkyTeam NewsFlash for January 2008 ( http://www.skyteam.com/EN/aboutSkyteam/pressCenter/pr100108.jsp ) its Chairman, Leo van Wijk, mentions that ST is looking for options to strengthen its network in South East Asia, Brazil and India, and that they are currently in discussions with prospective new members in both of these last two countries. For Asia rumors are that CI will be announced soon as a new member (there is another post about that), but any guesses on Brazil and India? AI is joining Star Alliance, so maybe 9W? Although they have been linked to AA lately by some, they have ties with AF, KL and NW as well, and I don't see IT mature enough to join an alliance yet. In Brazil my bet would be JJ, again they have been rumored to be a prospective *A member, but they have close ties with AF, and G3 would be in principle a more natural fit for *A, since RG was already a member before the bankruptcy.
Abrelosojos From Venezuela, joined May 2005, 4915 posts, RR: 55 Reply 1, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 3025 times:
Quoting Markam (Thread starter): In the last SkyTeam NewsFlash for January 2008 ( http://www.skyteam.com/EN/aboutSkyteam/pressCenter/pr100108.jsp ) its Chairman, Leo van Wijk, mentions that ST is looking for options to strengthen its network in South East Asia, Brazil and India, and that they are currently in discussions with prospective new members in both of these last two countries. For Asia rumors are that CI will be announced soon as a new member (there is another post about that), but any guesses on Brazil and India? AI is joining Star Alliance, so maybe 9W? Although they have been linked to AA lately by some, they have ties with AF, KL and NW as well, and I don't see IT mature enough to join an alliance yet. In Brazil my bet would be JJ, again they have been rumored to be a prospective *A member, but they have close ties with AF, and G3 would be in principle a more natural fit for *A, since RG was already a member before the bankruptcy.
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= G3 cannot join Star unless it significantly alters its business model. I don't get your analysis of IT not being "mature enough". It is one of the world's best airlines and if it joins Sky it will automatically become its best service-oriented member. 9W is being courted hard - but Mr. Goyal is a very smart man and I think they will follow EK lead and see how yields develop over the next year on their North America routes.
Markam From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 277 posts, RR: 2 Reply 2, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 3006 times:
Quoting Abrelosojos (Reply 1): I don't get your analysis of IT not being "mature enough"
Well, I was thinking mainly in terms of size and age, since IT is roughly half the size of CI or 9W and started operations just in 2005, but you are right, in terms of quality they are a more than suitable match.
Hardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 52 Reply 4, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 2856 times:
Quoting AAEXP (Reply 3): JJ will join an alliance in 2008 according to its president. However, at present it is anyones guess which alliance they will join.
All indications are that JJ will joing StarAlliance, which is corroborated by the fact that JJ signed a comprehensive agreement with UA, LH and TP. It is also expected JJ agreement with AF will soon be dropped.
Abrelosojos From Venezuela, joined May 2005, 4915 posts, RR: 55 Reply 5, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 2684 times:
Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 4): All indications are that JJ will joing StarAlliance, which is corroborated by the fact that JJ signed a comprehensive agreement with UA, LH and TP. It is also expected JJ agreement with AF will soon be dropped.
= Yes. Strong indications its going to be Star. God, please please please make it happen. JJ is my favorite service oriented airline in LA, and this would be great.
SkyTeamTriStar From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 333 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 2636 times:
Who's G3? It doesn't come up when I mouse over it.
SkyTeamTriStar From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 333 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 2585 times:
Markam From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 277 posts, RR: 2 Reply 10, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 2464 times:
Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 4): All indications are that JJ will joing StarAlliance, which is corroborated by the fact that JJ signed a comprehensive agreement with UA, LH and TP. It is also expected JJ agreement with AF will soon be dropped.
So, would you say SkyTeam (if so, probably via AirFrance-KLM) are anyway trying to get JJ on their side even if it is leaning towards Star, or that Chairman van Wijk is talking about another carrier (G3?) in the article?
Brasuca From Brazil, joined Mar 2004, 717 posts, RR: 12 Reply 11, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 2329 times:
It's 100% certain that TAM will be a full member of Star Alliance - there is absolutely no doubt about it. It will be a great addition for the alliance. The airline is undergoing some internal changes this year, such as: livery change, new marketing strategy, FF Programme adjustment, business class revamp, international website - all of which confirmed!
As aforementioned, AF-KL partenership with TAM is expected to end this year too.
On the other hand, VARIG-GOL is still awaiting for the government decision upon VARIG's acquisition to put into effect their parterships (DL, CO, AF-KL, AM or MX, UX and AZ). VARIG has 14 767 confirmed for their fleet this year, with contract signed for their interior revamp in Greensboro in 2008. In the next days VARIG-GOL will announce an order of 787 and some 777s are expected to join the fleet too (the latter still a rumour).
A sidenote opinion about AV: With confirmation of CM in SkyTeam, AV can end up their partnership with KL soon; OceanAir Brazil will become AVIANCA BRASIL this year. So I see in the next years (4, 5...) will be a very interesting option for OneWorld. So we may see the following scenario in Latin America:
SkyTeam: VARIG-GOL, Mexicana, Copa
Star Alliance: TAM, TACA.
One World: LAN, AVIANCA.
2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4 Reply 12, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 2311 times:
Quoting Brasuca (Reply 11): So we may see the following scenario in Latin America:
SkyTeam: VARIG-GOL, Mexicana, Copa
Star Alliance: TAM, TACA.
One World: LAN, AVIANCA.
Not that many airlines left around in Latinamerica/Caribbean: JM, BW, PU, Andes Argentina, AR, AeroSur, LB (!), Aires..
Of those I can only imagine JM, BW and PU trying to join an alliance.. AR very doubtful (at least nowadays).
Thanks for the info, I didn´t know TAM negotiations with *A were so advanced. Also, good point, I had forgot about Avianca in Brazil. However, with their rebranding in Ecuador, Paraguay and Brazil it looks that they are going the LA and JJ way and have a pan-Latin American network in mind, wouldn't SkyTeam be also an attractive option? I know they compete in their domestic market with CM, but they would be the only member in South America.
Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 12): Of those I can only imagine JM, BW and PU trying to join an alliance.. AR very doubtful (at least nowadays).
Agreed, although I think they have a lot of potential, for the time being the only way I see Aerolineas in an alliance is if the tourist agent market in Spain consolidates and Marsans (AR and A7) and Globalia (UX) merge somehow, with UX taking over A7 and AR being revamped with SkyTeam in mind. Wishful thinking, I guess.
EddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7170 posts, RR: 45 Reply 14, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2246 times:
Yes, I agree that RG may be the most likely candidate in Brazil for SkyTeam. With respect to India, I think SkyTeam should definitely enlist a member from India... whether it is 9W or IT, they need someone.
Quoting Brasuca (Reply 11): SkyTeam: VARIG-GOL, Mexicana, Copa
The only way MX will join SkyTeam is if MX and AM merge and the Mexican antitrust watchdog will make sure that does not happen. With AM in SkyTeam (in fact, it is a founding member), MX would never join the alliance. Besides, MX is really close to one<world carriers AA, IB, CX, QF, etc.
Brasuca From Brazil, joined Mar 2004, 717 posts, RR: 12 Reply 15, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2215 times:
Quoting EddieDude (Reply 14): The only way MX will join SkyTeam is if MX and AM merge and the Mexican antitrust watchdog will make sure that does not happen. With AM in SkyTeam (in fact, it is a founding member), MX would never join the alliance. Besides, MX is really close to oneAA, IB, CX, QF, etc.
Sorry, I really meant AeroMexico instead of Mexicana as a member of SkyTeam.
I don't see Mexicana as an interesting airline for any alliance at all, like Aerolíneas Argentinas. MX fits well just for parterships, to provide domestic connections in MEX.
LipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11201 posts, RR: 61 Reply 16, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2155 times:
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Quoting Markam (Reply 13): Thanks for the info, I didn´t know TAM negotiations with *A were so advanced
This is the new line of business after Mr. Barioni become TAM's CEO. TAM is focusing on quality, improving the level of service as well as resources available to customers. They are upgrading also IFE system, their service (in the near past they were trying to compete solely on cost with G3 and now decided to focus on service to be again a premium airline as it use to be in the past)
Quoting Brasuca (Reply 11): On the other hand, VARIG-GOL is still awaiting for the government decision upon VARIG's acquisition to put into effect their parterships (DL, CO, AF-KL, AM or MX, UX and AZ). VARIG has 14 767 confirmed for their fleet this year, with contract signed for their interior revamp in Greensboro in 2008. In the next days VARIG-GOL will announce an order of 787 and some 777s are expected to join the fleet too (the latter still a rumour).
RG has also to provide some changes. They return for almost all Latin American markets (except ASU, VVI and LIM) without for example a business class (only SCL and MEX because they are using 767 provides such option). Also they are waiting for anti-trust authorities approval to mix G3/RG network as currently their connectivity is reduced.
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Nimish From India, joined Feb 2005, 3076 posts, RR: 9 Reply 18, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2075 times:
Why can't Skyteam first get their act together and induct MH into the fold instead of talking about India and Brazil? MH has to be a perfect fit for them as they only have KE and China Southern in the Asian markets and both of those are strong mainly in North Asia and mainland China.
Hardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 52 Reply 19, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2048 times:
Quoting Brasuca (Reply 11): A sidenote opinion about AV: With confirmation of CM in SkyTeam, AV can end up their partnership with KL soon; OceanAir Brazil will become AVIANCA BRASIL this year. So I see in the next years (4, 5...) will be a very interesting option for OneWorld. So we may see the following scenario in Latin America
Well, OceanAir, or in future Avianca Brasil, is still far from consolidated. It has been involved in some serious incidents over the past weeks in Brazil, seriously damaging their name in the coutry.
Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 16): RG has also to provide some changes. They return for almost all Latin American markets (except ASU, VVI and LIM) without for example a business class (only SCL and MEX because they are using 767 provides such option). Also they are waiting for anti-trust authorities approval to mix G3/RG network as currently their connectivity is reduced.
The future approval to merge G3 and RG network will provide a major boost to RG's international operations, increasing loads and yields. It will also provide a platform for RG's continous increase flight operations in GRU. Finally, G3 is planning to launch a FF programme which would merge with RG's Smiles. In other words, it would be G3-RG very attractive option for an international alliance.
Qazar From Canada, joined May 2006, 311 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1871 times:
Quoting Markam (Thread starter): For Asia rumors are that CI will be announced soon as a new member (there is another post about that)
This is the first time I hear about that !!!! Seriously, China Airlines is talking to SkyTeam?
I actually always wondered how come Eva Air and China Airlines (basically Taiwanese-based airlines) were never involved in any discussion with any of the alliances... This is the first time that I hear about any of them being implicated in discussions... Anyone care to shed a little light on this?
Anonms From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 561 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1842 times:
Quoting Qazar (Reply 21): This is the first time I hear about that !!!! Seriously, China Airlines is talking to SkyTeam?
I actually always wondered how come Eva Air and China Airlines (basically Taiwanese-based airlines) were never involved in any discussion with any of the alliances... This is the first time that I hear about any of them being implicated in discussions... Anyone care to shed a little light on this?
There's a whole thread (actually, there have been threads in the past, as well) about CI joining SkyTeam. CI and DL have been cozy for a few years now, and CI recently signed a codeshare agreement with NW. They already codeshare with KE and AZ and have FF cooperation with CZ. CI has been rumored to be in talks with SkyTeam for a long time, actually.
As for BR, they don't seem to be keen on joining any alliances. Their codeshare agreements are scattered among the 3 existing alliances.
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