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Another TP A310-300 Is Leaving!  
User currently offlineCV990 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2993 times:

Hi!

Just to let you know that CS-TEX, that used to be with TP is just leaving to OMAN AIR. Full OMAN AIR colors but still with portuguese registration!!! Just received this nice livery a few days ago!!!
By the way, for those that like to know more about portuguese historic aviation and bit more too, and that can manage to read portuguese there's a very good, complete homepage called www.voaportugal.org!
Regards

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User currently onlineMEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4323 posts, RR: 36
Reply 1, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2883 times:

I found out the hard way that TAP is loosing their A-310s. Last week I flew to the Azores and back and especially chose the TAP-321 lunchtime flight back to fly on one before it's too late, but they substituted for a A-321 instead  bored   banghead 
At my 4 landings/departures at Lisbon I only saw CS-TEH in old colours, are they indeed down to 1 or 2 frames now? On which routes are they still used?



nobody has ever died from hard work, but why take the risk?
User currently offlineBSBIsland From Brazil, joined Jul 2005, 379 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2865 times:

When is NAT and CCS getting the A332?

And Bissau and Sao Tome are going to served by which aircraft? A321?


User currently offlineLotsamiles From United States of America, joined May 2005, 323 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2844 times:



Quoting CV990 (Thread starter):
Full OMAN AIR colors but still with portuguese registration!!!

Flown by HiFly for Oman.


User currently offlineLifelinerOne From Netherlands, joined Nov 2003, 1920 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2806 times:



Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 1):
Last week I flew to the Azores and back and especially chose the TAP-321 lunchtime flight back to fly on one before it's too late, but they substituted for a A-321 instead

You could have guessed with such a flightnumber...  Wink

Cheers!  wave 



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User currently offlineB742 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 3767 posts, RR: 19
Reply 5, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2793 times:



Quoting CV990 (Thread starter):
Full OMAN AIR colors but still with portuguese registration!!! Just received this nice livery a few days ago!!!

Indeed...
Pic Here:
http://www.skyliner-aviation.de/viewphoto.main?LC=&picid=4388

Rob!  wave 


User currently offlineOrion737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2745 times:

If Bissau and Sao Tome are taken over by the 321, that is quite a drop in capacity. I hope when the 310 has gone, we see wide-bodied flights to these destinations, particularly as TAP is the sole European operator to Bissau, for example.

User currently offlineAmerican 767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3761 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2745 times:
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This one, CS-TKN, must also come from TAP:


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Cheers  Smile

Ben Soriano
Brussels Belgium



Ben Soriano
User currently offlineWINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 68
Reply 8, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2679 times:



Quoting Orion737 (Reply 6):
If Bissau and Sao Tome are taken over by the 321, that is quite a drop in capacity. I hope when the 310 has gone, we see wide-bodied flights to these destinations, particularly as TAP is the sole European operator to Bissau, for example.

If I'm not mistaken Tap operate their A321-200 fleet with 194 seats, while their A310-300 fleet have a capacity for 200 passengers. One has to agree that in terms of comfort the older A310's are more comfortable.  Smile

Regards,
Wings



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User currently onlineMEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4323 posts, RR: 36
Reply 9, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2611 times:



Quoting LifelinerOne (Reply 4):
and especially chose the TAP-321 lunchtime flight back to fly on one before it's too late, but they substituted for a A-321 instead

You could have guessed with such a flightnumber...

Oops I meant to have written, I chose the TAP-A310 lunchtime flight, the fltnr was TP1860



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User currently offlineOrion737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2550 times:

194 seats in the A321 yet only 6 more in the twin aisle-fat-football of the A310!! Less premium seats will be available to Bissau and other destinations demoted from 310 to 321 in that case.

User currently offlineJoeCattoli From Italy, joined Aug 2005, 569 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2359 times:



Quoting American 767 (Reply 7):
This one, CS-TKN, must also come from TAP:

Actually none of SATA's 4 A310 has ever flown for TAP.

Quoting Orion737 (Reply 10):
Less premium seats will be available to Bissau and other destinations demoted from 310 to 321 in that case.

Also much less cargo capacity.. I wonder if these destination carry a lot of cargo..

Also someone knows if an A332 could take-off from sao tome without payload restrictions? GCM list TMS's rwy as 2200m long..

Ciao
Joe


User currently offlineOrion737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2341 times:

Good point, the 321 is going to be abig step down in cargo carrying and I would think this important to these former Portugese colonies which other than TAP are largely cut off from the World.

I hope we will see the 332 deployed to both destinations, the 321 simply cannot replace the job of an A310!!!


User currently offlineKrisYYZ From Canada, joined Nov 2004, 1593 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2310 times:

Are any of TP 's A313s going to TS?

Quoting CV990 (Thread starter):
CS-TEX, that used to be with TP is just leaving to OMAN AIR. Full OMAN AIR colors but still with portuguese registration!!!

Oman Air is currently wet-leasing a B762 from MA for their LHR route. I wonder if the addition of this A313 will allow the leased aircraft to be returned to MA earlier than planned.

KrisYYZ


User currently offlineCV990 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 2123 times:

Hi!

Quoting KrisYYZ (Reply 13):
Are any of TP 's A313s going to TS?

I think CS-TEW, the first TP A310 to leave went to TS. The other 3 I still don't know.
Regards


User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7411 posts, RR: 57
Reply 15, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 2104 times:



Quoting BSBIsland (Reply 2):
And Bissau and Sao Tome are going to served by which aircraft? A321?

LIS-TMS is a loooong flight for an A321. Where do they stop ?

Sad to see the good old A310 "abandonned" by another national Airline ...


User currently offlineAmerican 767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3761 posts, RR: 12
Reply 16, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2068 times:
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Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 9):
I chose the TAP-A310 lunchtime flight

I would also have done that on purpose, to fly on the A310 before it's too late.
Two years and a half ago, I flew on an Air France 737-500 from VIE to CDG, I knew that after that flight I would never fly on an Air France 737 again.

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 15):
Sad to see the good old A310 "abandonned" by another national Airline ...

CSA of Czech Republic, Tarom of Romania and Biman Bangladesh still fly them on scheduled flights.

Ben Soriano
Brussels Belgium



Ben Soriano
User currently offlineCV990 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2045 times:

Hi!

I think the A310-300 on TP did a very good job during all these years, they were a "workhorse" for many routes over the years and they certainly deserve a very good retirement, the first one came on August 1988, that's almost 20 years and if I remember correctly only the 707/727-100 lasted that long in TP service! So we can only say good things about this airplane! But there's still some hope for you that still want to fly a TP A310-300, the last one will leave in August!!! That situation regarding the replacement of the A310 in TP routes to Guine-Bissau and S.Tome Islands is a good point and I'm sure TP management is trying to find a solution...well at least there are still a few A310's left in Portugal that might operate for TP...but in the long run we'll have to see!!! Probably those two countries will need to improve their infrastructures to receive the A332!
Regards


User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8321 posts, RR: 10
Reply 18, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1906 times:



Quoting CV990 (Reply 17):
That situation regarding the replacement of the A310 in TP routes to Guine-Bissau and S.Tome Islands is a good point and I'm sure TP management is trying to find a solution...

Unless I'm reading it wrong, according to TP's schedule the aircraft is parked in Bissau for over 24 hours. That is really poor utilization. They also only operate the flight only once per week. So maybe they'll use an A320 on the route and double the frequency. Any extra cargo could be sent on one of the regularly scheduled charters. The same coupld apply to TMS.


User currently offlineCV990 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 1851 times:

Hi!

Quoting Airbazar (Reply 18):
Unless I'm reading it wrong, according to TP's schedule the aircraft is parked in Bissau for over 24 hours.

I might be wrong but that happens because the crew cannot fly the return flight due to hours of work!!! We are not talking about an european flight but a "long-medium haul" flight...around 4:30 minutes....1:00 to transit and another 4:30 back to LIS??? No way!!! That's why the plane stays!
Regards


User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7411 posts, RR: 57
Reply 20, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 1795 times:



Quoting American 767 (Reply 16):
CSA of Czech Republic

Not for long ... they are planned to be retired too very soon


User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8321 posts, RR: 10
Reply 21, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 1731 times:



Quoting CV990 (Reply 19):
I might be wrong but that happens because the crew cannot fly the return flight due to hours of work!!!

I'm fully aware of that but surely, it would be more profitable for the airline to bring a second crew for the return and use the aircraft on another route where it can actually make money. Unless TP's crew are so well payed that it's cheaper to park an aircraft for a day. If that's true, something is really wrong.


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