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PIA Dumping 747s  
User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 9990 times:

PIA seem to have decided to do away with the aircraft after completion of Hajj operations by 24th January, a couple may be leased out to Biman Bangladesh Airlines, the rest will be put up for sale.

Five 743 and two 74M are flying with airline at present wearing the new tails. One 743 with flag tail is parked in an engineless state at Karachi.

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User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12323 posts, RR: 35
Reply 1, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 9826 times:

A sad end for them; I remember when they were with CX; I flew on one of them from HKG to SEL (the old Kimpo Airport); it was a lovely aircraft. CX made a big mistake in retrofitting their 743s with PTVs before they did so to the 744s; hence the 743s that went to PK were equipped with PTVs ...

How many 777s does PK now have: I make it 2 77Ws, 4 772ERs and 2 LRs; does it have any more on order?


User currently offlineMyt332 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 9112 posts, RR: 71
Reply 2, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 9809 times:



Quoting Kaitak (Reply 1):
CX made a big mistake in retrofitting their 743s with PTVs before they did so to the 744s; hence the 743s that went to PK were equipped with PTVs ...

I never realised that! I wouldn't have thought.



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24325 posts, RR: 47
Reply 3, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 9743 times:

The 743s have been advertised for sale for well over 6 months already.


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User currently offlineAT From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 978 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 9662 times:

Would any one buy them, given that they are pretty old now and 747s, esp 743s are really not fuel efficient today?
I suppose if the price were really low, airlines may go for them..Also how would replace the capacity? Or are they planning on reducing capacity?

I wonder why CX added the PTVs to the 743s prior to the 744s?


User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 9651 times:



Quoting LAXintl (Reply 3):
The 743s have been advertised for sale for well over 6 months already.

Where? they were being made available for lease or charter from February but no reported sale ever.


User currently offlineNA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10365 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 9633 times:

The two Combis are almost 30 years old so unless for charters and maybe another Hadj-season they won´t fly again. The 743s are from the mid-80s, the "newest" is turning 20 this year. Its also quite unlikely a decent carrier would take them. As much as I heard they are not in the best condition. Thats sad, I´m sure PIA could fly them another 2, 3 or 4years until they are due for final retirement. Biman could use them as a stop-gap until the 777s arrive.

User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12323 posts, RR: 35
Reply 7, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 9614 times:



Quoting 777way (Reply 5):
they were being made available for lease or charter from February but no reported sale ever.

Hardly a surprise that there were no reported sales or charters! Would anyone want to lease/buy acft which had been banned from Europe for safety violations? A pretty good disincentive to sell, I'd have thought!


User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 9601 times:

They have been cleared by EU some months back.

User currently offlineUK_Dispatcher From United Arab Emirates, joined Dec 2001, 2582 posts, RR: 30
Reply 9, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 9430 times:

I have booked my final PIA B747 flight for the 17th (KHI-LHE-KHI) - hopefully this time the flight won't be switched from the B747-200 Combi.

I haven't done a trip report for a long time but will try and do one this time.


User currently offlineG-CIVP From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 1287 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 9317 times:

The B747-200's are probably clapped out. As someone pointed out above, due to the safety violations, i.e. the hideous amount of ADD's and corrison the frames are likely to have, the only realistic option is either farm them out to some cargo carrier or the scrap man.

User currently offlineIadbudd From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 102 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 3 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 8999 times:

I remember working with their two combi B747-200's back in the late 90's. I am surprised they are still flying.
AP-BAT and AP-BAK. The only airline that would put pallets of baggage on the main deck!


User currently offlineImiakhtar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (6 years 3 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 7803 times:



Quoting Kaitak (Reply 1):
How many 777s does PK now have: I make it 2 77Ws, 4 772ERs and 2 LRs; does it have any more on order?

I believe PK has one remaining 77W on order and it is due to be delivered later this year.


User currently offlinePIA777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1738 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (6 years 3 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 7354 times:

What are they going to replace these planes with? Also, Are these planes being allowed to fly to Europe?
If they are not, why would anyone buy them.

PIA777



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User currently offlineSKAirbus From Norway, joined Oct 2007, 1618 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (6 years 3 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 5638 times:

A very good move for PIA... and great to see they are updated their fleet with new aircraft.....

Surely if Biman take the 743 they wont allowed to fly the planes to Europe??



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User currently offlineImiakhtar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (6 years 3 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 5410 times:



Quoting 777way (Reply 8):
They have been cleared by EU some months back



Quoting PIA777 (Reply 13):
What are they going to replace these planes with? Also, Are these planes being allowed to fly to Europe?
If they are not, why would anyone buy them.



Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 14):
Surely if Biman take the 743 they wont allowed to fly the planes to Europe??

PK

The EU ban was lifted many months ago. A list of PK's airworthy 747 can be found here:

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User currently offlineECONOMICS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (6 years 3 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 5296 times:



Quoting 777way (Thread starter):
two 74M

what's a 74M ?


User currently offlineAg92 From India, joined Jul 2006, 1317 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 3 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 5009 times:



Quoting Imiakhtar (Reply 12):
I believe PK has one remaining 77W on order and it is due to be delivered later this year.

That is indeed correct, PK does have one remaining 77W from Boeing

Quoting ECONOMICS (Reply 16):
what's a 74M ?

Correct me if I am wrong, which probably am but I think its the Boeing 747-200combi


User currently offlineRobK From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 3945 posts, RR: 18
Reply 18, posted (6 years 3 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 4893 times:



Quoting Imiakhtar (Reply 12):
I believe PK has one remaining 77W on order and it is due to be delivered later this year.

Yep, it's due in a couple of months time. AP-BID is the reg.  spin 

R


User currently offlineCloud4000 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 640 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 3 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 4339 times:



Quoting PIA777 (Reply 13):
What are they going to replace these planes with? Also, Are these planes being allowed to fly to Europe?
If they are not, why would anyone buy them.

BG will buy, and overpay, for anything as long as the kickbacks are right.  Big grin

If they do get the aircraft, it will used to ply Middle Eastern routes, freeing up some DC10s and A310s for flights elsewhere, perhaps even a return to MAN? But who knows what this airline will do. More often than not, BG leaves your head scratching.



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User currently offlineNA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10365 posts, RR: 11
Reply 20, posted (6 years 3 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 4211 times:



Quoting Cloud4000 (Reply 19):
freeing up some DC10s and A310s for flights elsewhere

Biman has lost one A310 and one DC-10 in accidents in the past two years and have not replaced them to my knowledge, so they´ll need some capacity.


User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4716 posts, RR: 44
Reply 21, posted (6 years 3 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 4125 times:

but supposedly PR is getting these 2 B 743s now (on a wet lease basis) which will be exclusively used for daily MNL-JED-RUH-MNL flights.

User currently offlineA342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4675 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (6 years 3 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3921 times:

UN might be interested in the 743s.


Exceptions confirm the rule.
User currently offlineCloud4000 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 640 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 3 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3760 times:



Quoting NA (Reply 20):
Biman has lost one A310 and one DC-10 in accidents in the past two years and have not replaced them to my knowledge, so they´ll need some capacity.

What you say is true, somewhat. BG has dropped destinations in Europe, Asia and North America, so there is some slack. The 743s will be a big help on Middle East routes, and especially helpful during the Hajj season.

What BG really needs is some narrow-body aircraft to ply regional routes like BKK, SIN, KUL, CCU, etc. The F28s they presently have are getting old. There are plenty of F100s, F70s, 737s on the market to fill that void.



Boston, USA
User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (6 years 3 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2679 times:

Biman deal is off now.

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 21):
but supposedly PR is getting these 2 B 743s now (on a wet lease basis) which will be exclusively used for daily MNL-JED-RUH-MNL flights.

Philippine Airlines do not serve Saudi Arabia anymore, it must be Tayir Airways a new Fillipino carrier catering to Saudi market, they were supposed to be getting 744s maybe that didnt workout.

According to poster at another board, one 743 will be grounded in March, another one after Hajj 2008 thats in December, two 743 are going to a Philippine carrier again I doubt its PR.

PIA 747s have also been charterred by United Nations to fly peace keeping troops to Sierra Leone in February or March, they have also done these charters in the past.

Currently 74M serves Riyadh, Bombay and Dhaka, 743 doing Jeddah and Riyadh besides making odd appearences throught out the network in place of A310.


25 A342 : Forgot to mention, UN stands for Transaero.
26 777way : They are going to Tair Airways.
27 777way : Now only operating scheduled to Riyadh and three domestic routes, besides doing one off servcies elsewhere in place of A310.
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