SAN787 From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 616 posts, RR: 1 Posted (5 years 11 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 8798 times:
Virgin America has identified the following as likely cities for future growth...
Salt Lake City
West Palm Beach
Now the question is which cities are most likely to be added once SAN and SEA are started? I choose ORD, MIA and MSP.
Any information out there on delivery dates for new aircraft? Are the Skybus Airbii being turned over to Virgin America? How soon can we speculate before VA announces new destinations?
GARUDAROD From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 1496 posts, RR: 1 Reply 2, posted (5 years 11 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 8737 times:
Virgin America has stated that their expansion may/will be delayed due to delays in new aircraft as well
as current fuel prices. MIA, ORD and BOS are due to be the next cities, but not necessarily in
that order. MIA may be postponed to later this year. They arent real keen to add any trans-cons
at this point, except for BOS, but no date has been announced for that.
DL767captain From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2539 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (5 years 11 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 8741 times:
Adding ATL would be interesting, then operating something like LAX/SAN-ATL to give DL and Air Tran some more competition would be very intersting. I love DL but i would definately choose one flight on Virgin America to see what it's like
MKE22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1122 posts, RR: 2 Reply 5, posted (5 years 11 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 8690 times:
Quoting RJNUT (Reply 1): seems to me that some on the list that are not so obvious might fare better than the obvious large markets like ORD and MIA since the competition would be substantially less! just my 2cents
Indeed, MKE has fared well for low-cost carriers in terms of FL so far. MKE just added Skybus not too long ago, and load factors seem relatively decent. People in MKE have been pushing for B6 as well, but who knows if that will happen anytime soon, but I hope it will. Talks are that some of these destinations may be 3-5 years down the road still, but MKE I'm sure would welcome VX with open arms.
MKE22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1122 posts, RR: 2 Reply 10, posted (5 years 11 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 8601 times:
Quoting PITops (Reply 9): Thanks. We definately need it! More ways then just this one.
Definitely. You guys lost a lot of your hometown airline's service. In a way, that would be like YX pulling out of MKE for me. That I couldn't bear to witness, just because we do have so much loyalty to them. There is a reason they are called "The Best Care in the Air" but US isn't too bad either.
MKE22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1122 posts, RR: 2 Reply 12, posted (5 years 11 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 8513 times:
Quoting Thomasphoto60 (Reply 11): Then by that reasoning, Dallas, Chicago, Minneapolis, Atlanta and other major hub airports should not be listed.
Dallas everyone is in or going for in some way. They didn't say ORD or MDW though in Chicago. MSP, they have Sun Country and WN proving low-cost carriers can compete there. For ATL it's like FL vs. DL compared to MSP. IAH is kind of like a fortress hub for CO because their aren't many low-cost carriers there (F9, but they just classify themselves as that). Thats why I said maybe HOU.
Gecmd11 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 111 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (5 years 11 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 8424 times:
Quoting DL767captain (Reply 3): Adding ATL would be interesting, then operating something like LAX/SAN-ATL to give DL and Air Tran some more competition would be very intersting. I love DL but i would definately choose one flight on Virgin America to see what it's like
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31782 posts, RR: 73 Reply 14, posted (5 years 11 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 8344 times:
As GARUDAROD explained, expansion is going to slow at current fuel prices. They've already started doing some early hiring at MIA, but MIA might be delayed because trans-cons and high fuel prices don't go well together.
Cubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 21798 posts, RR: 19 Reply 15, posted (5 years 11 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 8307 times:
Quoting MKE22 (Reply 12): They didn't say ORD or MDW though in Chicago.
This is an interesting question. There's a serious gate space shortage at ORD, so even though arrival authorizations will not be an issue (VX can get 8 for free, and there should be many available later this year), it's not clear that they'd be able to find a gate. CO essentially gave DH gate E10, so that might be an option, but CO has a lease on that gate and doesn't like VX so much. DL and NW might also be options.
The problem with MDW is that yields are traditionally lower than at ORD. If you're not trying to capture a lot of Chicago-originating traffic, this isn't so much of a problem. By all measures, DL does reasonably well with LGA-MDW by concentrating on the NYC-originating traffic. Can VX make that sort of model work? Good question.
Another issue with Chicago is that, while VX obviously won't be flying transcons, there aren't many opportunities that are less than about 700 miles either. High fuel prices don't have the same effect on these medium-hauls as they do on transcons, but the opportunities for regional flying are more limited than along the coasts.
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FreequentFlier From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 872 posts, RR: 12 Reply 16, posted (5 years 11 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 8148 times:
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 14): As GARUDAROD explained, expansion is going to slow at current fuel prices. They've already started doing some early hiring at MIA, but MIA might be delayed because trans-cons and high fuel prices don't go well together.
Generally it's a bad thing when a brand new airline doesn't know where to expand next. Perhaps Branson isn't the genius he and many on this forum think he is.
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31782 posts, RR: 73 Reply 17, posted (5 years 11 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 8115 times:
Quoting FreequentFlier (Reply 16): Generally it's a bad thing when a brand new airline doesn't know where to expand next. Perhaps Branson isn't the genius he and many on this forum think he is.
They know exactly where to expand to next - Boston, Chicago, and Miami.
Quoting Thomasphoto60 (Reply 11):
Then by that reasoning, Dallas, Chicago, Minneapolis, Atlanta and other major hub airports should not be listed.
The list should not at all be taken seriously. People read far to into this list. They essentially selected a lot of large/medium markets, put them in dozens of PRs, so that everytime a PR is out, local newspapers run articles about how Virgin America is considering their city. It's free, national publicity, and if you notice how many articles are published by media outlets in Austin, Raleigh, Sarasota and the like just because their respective cities our on the list, it's no surprise Virgin America does this. JetBlue also did this at launch, and as you can clearly see by comparing that list to what cities they served now, it largely means zilch.
National757 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 719 posts, RR: 1 Reply 21, posted (5 years 11 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 7834 times:
Quoting SAN787 (Reply 19): However, I am surprised Skybus has lasted this long.
Don't be surprised. Skybus is well capitalized and they should have enough cash to get through their first year of operations, at least. They are not a fly-by-nite operation like the latest incarnation of Western or SkyValue.
Retrolivery From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 202 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (5 years 11 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 7748 times:
Does anybody know if MIA would be started as a transcon from SFO/LAX or as a short-haul from IAD/JFK? Personally I'd love to see VA flying to MIA and possibly TPA/MCO as a short-haul from their IAD and JFK stations
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Philly65 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 57 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (5 years 11 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 7684 times:
Quoting National757 (Reply 21): With fuel prices the way they are, you can add just about any American airline to the list of potential airlines to file for bankruptcy this year. Sorry to burst your bubble.
Bubble not bursted. I would put VA at the top of the list including Frontier, Skybus, VA, and potentially jetBlue before the legacies.
Breaker1011 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 938 posts, RR: 2 Reply 24, posted (5 years 11 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 7650 times:
It's not just fuel prices hurting the airlines...
Over the next few months, you will understand just how tight things are right now in corporate America and in the average US household. Spending on business trips is on the decline, regardless of the fare in many cases (especially the well-traveled financial sector). Spending on vacations is going to slow quite a bit as well - again, regardless of the airfare. The US is about to hit a point where no airfare is low enough to get many traditional passengers on board, so it won't matter what fuel prices are.
The recession's hand is playing out now. 2008 is going to hurt corporate and consumer pocketbooks bigtime. Read the news and watch the earnings reports carefully over the coming weeks, for once ignoring the airline sector (haha). You'll see what I mean. We are about to hit a slump in passenger growth and there are some saying already that 2008 may indeed be the first year of negative growth in domestic traffic for the US airline industry.
Im normally not a doomsayer, but the signs are there. Gonna be a rocky ride fellas.
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25 LoneStarMike: I agree. Another way to say it is fuel prices aren't just hurting the airlines. It hurts everyone. People are paying more to gas up their cars and he
26 Breaker1011: And dont' leave out - we have BARELY begun to feel the effects of the mortage crisis. BARELY. Folks like Citigroup, Chase, BofA, and AMEX already know
27 Af773atmsp: I hope Virgin America will serve MSP this year, but since the Humphrey Terminal is full VX would probably have to fly out of the Lindbergh Terminal. W
28 BNinMSY: Paging Southwest Airlines ... please report to MSP ... you are absent! VA should do: SFO-MSY-BOS-SFO, SFO-MSY-MIA-JFK-SFO MSY would welcome them with
29 Dallasnewark: And we tell them, they are not going to believe us. Both Boeing and Airbus should brace themselves for a few soft years ahead. Why do you think Delta
30 Asuflyer05: Looks like Alaska is trying to put them to bed. Alaska Airlines Announces Major California Schedule Upgrades With More Frequent Flights, Departures on
31 MSYtristar: I get the feeling that UA has decided to abandon MSY-SFO permanently and instead route all connecting pax though LAX/DEN/ORD. If they were going to r
32 LHPDX: PDX-LAX and SFO would be interesting..............................
33 Georgiabill: Just my 2 cents but Virgin America should consider the same stratedgy as Southwest when considering the northeast (Boston area) and choose to serve PV
34 ORDagent: I can't agree with that. Remember VX is going for higher yield passengers with there high service levels like B6. B6 gets enough flak for using JFK.
35 INNflight: All airports VA currently serves are also served by VS............same goes for future destinations MIA BOS and ORD!!! Can you actually book on connec