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TG Plans For B747-8i  
User currently offlineJerseyFlyer From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 642 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 15476 times:

"Under the airline's procurement plan, new aircraft will include eight jumbo Boeing 747-8 planes and a mix of Boeing 737-900, Boeing 787-9, Airbus A350, and Airbus A321 aircraft." CNN Money Story

This is copied from a concurrent thread but I think merits a new one.

This would make TG the second airline after LH to operate both A380s and B748s.

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User currently offlineDAYflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 15475 times:

Perhaps there is life in the 748i program after all. This is certainly a much needed order for it. I was begining to wonder..........


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User currently offlineAA1818 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Feb 2006, 3435 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 15394 times:

Sounds like great news to me.

Which variant of the A350 is TG likely to get? -900 or -1000? if they only plan on getting the -900 then surely sticking with Boeing and eventually getting the proposed -10X makes more sense rather than operating small fleets of diff a/c??
A380
748i
A350
787
A321

In a few days they'll announce that they want A321s AND 737-700s!!!

AA1818



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User currently offlineNA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10765 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 15150 times:

I hope especially the 748I-order will come true. Its very much needed to get this program rolling a bit faster and with more confidence.

User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7078 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 15104 times:



Quoting NA (Reply 3):
I hope especially the 748I-order will come true. Its very much needed to get this program rolling a bit faster and with more confidence.

Absolutely. But it seems they buy every plane available 737-900ER/A321 787-9/A350 and 747-8I/A380.
Not sure about their business plane but from an enthusiast point of viwe this is a great fleet.



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User currently offlineSEPilot From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 6961 posts, RR: 46
Reply 5, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 15070 times:



Quoting Columba (Reply 4):
But it seems they buy every plane available

Perhaps their management is just a bunch of A-net addicts who wants one of every new toy available. While I delight in another order for the 748i, I cannot see the logic in this fleet plan.



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User currently offlineNA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10765 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 15010 times:



Quoting Columba (Reply 4):
Not sure about their business plane but from an enthusiast point of viwe this is a great fleet.

Agreed. So much more interesting than the large boring fleets of Delta or AA, and even more interesting than neighbour SIA.

It makes sense to operate both the A380 and 748I as they are still quite different in size.

What makes less sense is 739 AND A321 or 787 AND A350. Most probably they lease, and not buy, these aircraft to find out which is best for them and dump the loosing type rather quickly.


User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7078 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 14984 times:



Quoting JerseyFlyer (Thread starter):
Boeing 747-8

Just noticed no indication that it will indeed be the passenger version ?? But Thai does not have an own freighter fleet, or do they ??

Quoting NA (Reply 6):
It makes sense to operate both the A380 and 748I as they are still quite different in size.

Agreed, I think EK and TG will be the first to follow LH´s example !!!



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User currently offlineTak From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 161 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 14775 times:

Are we sure this is not an error, and that they will take 787-8s? I hope it is for the 747-8i but I am not yet convinced... We'll see when the official release comes out, Ciao

User currently offlineLH498 From Germany, joined May 2007, 215 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 14392 times:



Quoting Tak (Reply 8):
Are we sure this is not an error, and that they will take 787-8s? I hope it is for the 747-8i but I am not yet convinced... We'll see when the official release comes out, Ciao

I hope they order the 747-8i, too. Not long ago(couple of months), there were strong rumors about TG ordering the 747-8. Confirmation seems close. crossfingers 

Weird fleet, but now I care more about the 747-8i getting orders.


User currently offlineAstuteman From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 10112 posts, RR: 97
Reply 10, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 14313 times:
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Quoting JerseyFlyer (Thread starter):
"Under the airline's procurement plan, new aircraft will include eight jumbo Boeing 747-8 planes

There's no indication here as to whether this is the 748 Intercontinental or 748 freighter.
Guess we'll have to wait and see...

Regards


User currently offlinePC12Fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 2453 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 14297 times:

I hope this is the case as well. Kudos to another airline that sees the fact that the 748 and A380 are NOT direct competitors and that there is a market for it.


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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31123 posts, RR: 85
Reply 12, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 14262 times:
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Quoting Tak (Reply 8):
Are we sure this is not an error, and that they will take 787-8s?

They are leasing fourteen 787-8s, so the numbers do not match.


User currently offlineJtdieffen From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 179 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 14233 times:



Quoting Astuteman (Reply 10):

There's no indication here as to whether this is the 748 Intercontinental or 748 freighter.
Guess we'll have to wait and see...

There was a quote a few months ago from the airline president saying they wanted the -8i, unless I'm quite mistaken. Does Thai even have a designated cargo fleet? Unless I'm mistaken, they typically lease their cargo aircraft which would probably nullify this question.



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User currently offlineCloudyapple From Hong Kong, joined Jul 2005, 2454 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 14160 times:



Quoting Jtdieffen (Reply 13):
Unless I'm mistaken, they typically lease their cargo aircraft which would probably nullify this question.

There is every chance of a strategy change.



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21544 posts, RR: 59
Reply 15, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 14114 times:



Quoting Columba (Reply 4):
Absolutely. But it seems they buy every plane available 737-900ER/A321 787-9/A350 and 747-8I/A380.
Not sure about their business plane but from an enthusiast point of viwe this is a great fleet.

Too true. But the 748 needs some customers who "buy everything." China will likely be another one. The real test will be winning a customer who might otherwise buy the A380 and doesn't. Maybe someone from Japan...

Quoting NA (Reply 6):
So much more interesting than the large boring fleets of Delta or AA, and even more interesting than neighbour SIA.

Or worse, my favorite domestic CO. Love the company, tired of the 737s! I want something more interesting to look at...  Smile



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User currently offlineJtdieffen From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 179 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 14081 times:



Quoting Cloudyapple (Reply 14):
There is every chance of a strategy change.

I certainly won't say that there's no chance, but it seems unlikely to me that their strategy would change from a single leased 747 that is operated as a cooperative with another airline, to a fleet of eight designated freighters. That would seem to be quite an expansion. Again, I acknowledge the possibility, but I really don't think that there's much chance that this is for -8Fs.



Regards! JDief
User currently offlineRJ111 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 11998 times:

Sounds like quite an offhand statement to be honest.

It would leave them with just about every aircraft family available. And as liberal as TGs fleet is at the minute i can't see them going that far.


User currently offlineOhsopc From Thailand, joined Jul 2006, 109 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 11697 times:



Quoting Columba (Reply 4):
Absolutely. But it seems they buy every plane available 737-900ER/A321 787-9/A350 and 747-8I/A380.
Not sure about their business plane but from an enthusiast point of viwe this is a great fleet.

I think its an 737-900ER OR A321, 787 OR A350, 747-8I OR A380 kind of a deal. In the local newspaper today they announced that they will lease A321 and 787-8, so that they will be able to receive them in 2012 instead of 2017. I doubt they will order 739ER but A350 is still possible.

I really hope they order the 748


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31123 posts, RR: 85
Reply 19, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 11664 times:
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It does seem TG wants a bit of everything, but perhaps a desire to curry favor with the US and the EU is part of the negotiations.

Also, TG just might want to really "right-size" their fleet and feel operating specific variants that offer the best fit for a particular mission both now and in the future is a better strategy then using a plane too big or too small which could be exacerbated in the future if traffic shrinks or grows even more.


User currently offlineERAUgrad02 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1227 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 10306 times:

PLEASE, PLEASE, AND PLEASE!!! Let this be true. I think TG has a great scheme already on 747-4. I think it will look awesome on the 747-8i. Let use all cross our fingers for a concrete 747-8i order announcement.


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User currently offlineSKY1 From Spain, joined Apr 2006, 879 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 9884 times:



Quoting NA (Reply 6):
What makes less sense is 739 AND A321 or 787 AND A350. Most probably they lease, and not buy, these aircraft to find out which is best for them and dump the loosing type rather quickly

737-900ER does compete vs 321 in number of seats but not necessarily both aircraft play the same role. While the 737-900ER's has more range, an A-321 makes a 200-seater good, efficient job for flights up to 3 or 4 hours and it has a wider engine election. Unlike 739ER, the 321 target is not having a great range or fly transatlantic. Maybe TG could need 739's for long intra asian flights linking mid-size airports.

The 787 will be a bit smaller than the XWB, specially the 787-8. Anyway I don't think TG will eventually ask both, 787 and XWB, no at least in a first moment, but it must be not ruled out ...as they're pretty well-known for having many different planes in fleet.



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User currently offlineCX747 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4454 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 9802 times:

It would be nice to see an additional order for passenger 747-8. The freighter version has been carrying most of the weight. It would be nice to see an order from British Airways but after the A380 I just don't see it. Maybe United???


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User currently offlineYVRLTN From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 2493 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 9205 times:



Quoting Ohsopc (Reply 18):
I think its an 737-900ER OR A321, 787 OR A350, 747-8I OR A380 kind of a deal. In the local newspaper today they announced that they will lease A321 and 787-8,

 checkmark I think the selection of the A321 means no 739ER - unless the Boeing's are going to be for Nok (but why do that if TG are switching from the 734 to Airbus??). As they selected to lease the 787-8 (rather than the 9) I think there is still potential for an A350 order - probably the 10 in the greatest quantity.

Quoting JerseyFlyer (Thread starter):
This is copied from a concurrent thread

In that thread, a person who seemed to be involved in the 787 lease transaction categorically stated no 748 at all - I or F - and there would be more A380 orders.

IMO A321 / 788 / A3510 / A380 would be an ideal fleet (as for many carriers) - sure, theres 'a gap' between the last two, but I dont think it is large enough to warrant a small sub fleet of 748I's in the case of TG - they are not in the same postioin as LH, or even BA or EK (who so far have evidently thought the same re the 748I). My  twocents 



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User currently offlineER757 From Cayman Islands, joined May 2005, 2559 posts, RR: 7
Reply 24, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 9027 times:



Quoting YVRLTN (Reply 23):
In that thread, a person who seemed to be involved in the 787 lease transaction categorically stated no 748 at all - I or F - and there would be more A380 orders.

IMO A321 / 788 / A3510 / A380 would be an ideal fleet (as for many carriers) - sure, theres 'a gap' between the last two, but I dont think it is large enough to warrant a small sub fleet of 748I's in the case of TG - they are

I'll add my two cents to yours - I just don't see TG needing two VLA types. Would be great to see the 748i gain some traction, but I'll believe this one when I see the press releases from TG and Boeing, not until.


25 Carpethead : Next order will be A332s with GE engines for the interim probably mixed in with the A350XWB for -800, -900 & -1000s. If TG does order the 748i, it wou
26 Stitch : That the CNN Money article notes an actual number for the 747-8I order is what confuses me. If they had said "a mix of jumbo Boeing 747-8Is, Boeing 73
27 TrijetsRMissed : I'd imagine there must be some consideration for the 748I, as the rumors have been mentioned for months. If TG is on the fence, Boeing will probably o
28 CHRISBA777ER : Trust me - TG are an EXTREMELY savvy airline and their fleet planning people are genuinely brilliant. I know its easy to label them third world and c
29 CHRISBA777ER : Nope - nothing to do with the 787 lease at all. Interim A332s I could see but I seriously doubt they will get the CF6 as their A333s are PW-powered,
30 Jtdieffen : It's difficult to argue with you because you seem to have insider info that the rest of us do not. I don't think anyone is accusing them of being "th
31 CHRISBA777ER : Bingo. Commonality is by no means the be-all-and-end-all. Ask LH. Not sure about this. I think politics plays quite a small role here. They dont need
32 CHRISBA777ER : I don’t really have insider info – not really anyway. I’m not involved in the deals and haven’t spoken to anyone involved in their fleet plan
33 Jtdieffen : I hope I've also not offended. I truly accept your opinion (and knowledge to what extent you have it). I also don't want to come across as argumentat
34 CHRISBA777ER : No worries mate - its all good. Welcome to my RU list. As a rule of thumb - everyone - EVERYONE - who says things like this on A-net does NOT know. I
35 Post contains images PM : Nope.
36 Post contains images JRDC930 : I doubt it. However if this is true, which again given CNN's record with identifying aircraft in the past, may be a bit iffy, it is nice to see. Boy
37 Post contains images CHRISBA777ER : LOL I was wondering how long it would take for you to get involved!
38 BestWestern : Because they value their jobs more than starting a rumour. Reminds me of the recent BA order rumour - by 'someone in the know', and turning out to be
39 BestWestern : Rati has reported the above as "It said 45 of the 65 aircraft were intended for replacement and the rest for growth, and it was looking at Boeing 747-
40 CHRISBA777ER : Hey BestWestern - been a long time mate - how you doing? Hahaha yes - that was funny. He sounded so sure! Ah well - this is a-net. It would be boring
41 Someone83 : Add CPH to your list
42 Post contains images Columba : As long as the 787-8 is not refered as a jumbo Boeing it surely is no error. I don´t think this is a real test. The 747-8I is smaller but offers mor
43 Christao17 : That's okay, there may not be one. Chris, with all due respect, the operating history of TG even in the past few years has demonstrated that they are
44 CHRISBA777ER : Their utilisation rates are bang up there, and in the Don Muang days they were performing minor miracles on a daily basis. Factor in political pressu
45 Stitch : TG's seating density looks similar to LH's, so there would likely be around a 50-seat increase from a 744 to a 748 and a 100 seat increase from the 7
46 PM : But their 777-300s aren't old and I wonder what kind of market there would be for them. And they hardly need the 748's range to replace a 773. It's p
47 CHRISBA777ER : I'd be amazed if the 748I has better CASM than the 773A in the optimum 773A range bracket.
48 Elite : Will CX be a potential customer? They operate a large number of 747-400's at the moment and they have not ordered any A380's. I know they ordered some
49 Stitch : Probably not, but MZFW on a 747-8I should be higher then on a 777-300 so you could load the cargo bay with denser/heavier goodies even though the 777
50 Ikramerica : Speaking of Thai, I live a quiet residential neighborhood in Los Angeles and yesterday a "Thai SUV" drove through. Painted in Thai colors with expensi
51 Post contains images Flysherwood : About as much as the A380!!!
52 Post contains images JRDC930 : When the 748i is involved... not soon enough, just thought i'd add the point of view of a pragmatic and realistic fan of the 748i. CNN does have a ha
53 RedChili : Scandinavia could be a good fit for Thai 748s. Thai currently sells the F-seats as C, and the C seats as premium economy on the 744s serving ARN and
54 RedChili : Correction: Double the number: They would need six 748s to cover these flights.
55 Post contains images PM : Hmmm. In 2007 the numbers were 1 order for 747-8i and 33 for A380. Neither is setting the world on fire but you might have a hard job substantiating
56 ThaiA345 : Actually TG today has such a varied fleet that it hardly seems to be efficient or logical! Currently: B734 B772 B772ER B773 B744 A333 A345 A346 AB6 IM
57 Stitch : I think a possible joker in this deck could be whether or not TG feels a 777-300ER and/or A350-1000 would serve as a better 747-400 and/or A340-600 re
58 Columba : Why always so pessimistic when it comes to the 747-8I ??
59 Stitch : I see better options now (the A388 and 77W) and later (the A3510 and Y3) for many of the missions the 747-8I is designed to address. As such, I see h
60 JRDC930 : Perhaps some people are pessimistic because of its lousy sales record, and the fact it has hit obsolescence even before it enters service, what with
61 SKY1 : I believe LH will be not the only one to ask the 747-8I pax version. There are at the moment many potential 747-8I customers. TG is one among them No
62 SKAirbus : I still wonder if the 747-8I will take off... The program needs more than 2 customer to make any money... My opinion is that the basic design is over
63 PM : Probably not. We're told by many here that the additional cost of building the -8i is marginal and the healthy sales of the -8F will more than put th
64 Post contains images SKY1 : So, do you think is it death despite the existing orders? There are more than 2 customer for the 747-8I/ 747-8F So what? A 737NG has also the same ba
65 Stitch : The number of customers is not as important as the number of frames. Even if it is just LH and BBJs, if LH executes all their options and/or another
66 YVRLTN : Already 70-80% of these airports will be served by A380's in some capacity and in TG's case and / or face competion from EK / SQ. In 5-10 years time,
67 CHRISBA777ER : Spot on - thats exactly what I was getting at. Thanks mate - appreciated.
68 Post contains images Astuteman : FWIW I think you're right, but I think the window is there. Having flown on the A380 now (as well as the 747 and 777) my own perception is that the 7
69 Flysherwood : The big IF is IF they can fill those A380's on a daily basis. That is a lot of capacity. There are reasons that LCC's do well with the 737NG and The
70 TrijetsRMissed : The MD-11 sold some 175+ pax frames. Considering the low development costs, if the 748i sells that much, it will be considered a success.
71 Post contains images YVRLTN : It is, but we are talking about 2012 onwards, not today, and they currently use 744's & 773's. Add in the suites a la SQ and I dont think thats too u
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