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Operators And Models Of 'combi' Aircraft  
User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13120 posts, RR: 12
Posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 5037 times:

Since the beginning of the 'jet' age, who have been operators of mainline 'combi' aircraft, that is with main deck cargo facilities along with pax facilities? Who are current operators and models still in use?
I recall flying on a IB 747 combi MAD-JFK back in 1985. Have Airbus or McD make/made any 'combi' models? I know It seems to me that there were few operators over the years due to safety and operational issues.

[Edited 2008-01-16 08:17:33]

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User currently offlineBWilliams From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 212 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 5022 times:

There were 5 combi MD-11C, all delivered to Alitalia.

I don't know of any Airbus planes that have been delivered as a combi.



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User currently offlineGr8Circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3107 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 5018 times:

AI has 2 743 combis and 1 744 combi. The 743's were built and delivered as combis to AI in 1988 and are currently used on the BOM-NRT sector. The 744 combi is leased from AC and is currently used on the DEL-FRA-LAX sector....

User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6398 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 5012 times:

Don't forget AS and their 732 Combis...an important part of the Alaska economy  Wink


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User currently offlineGARUDAROD From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 1517 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 5004 times:

Operators of Combis past/present from the jet age would include:
Alitalia-B747, MD11
Lufthansa-B747
KLM-B747
Air France-B747
Sabena- B747, DC10
Malayasian-B747
EVA-B747
Asiana-B747
South African-B747
Garuda- B747
Kuwait-B747
Alia-B747
Air Mike-B727
Swissair-B747
Air Gabon-B747
Varig- B747
Air Nambia-B747
SAS-B747
Nigeria Airways-B747
Royal Air Maroc-B747
Royal Nepal-B757
Alaska-B737
Air Marshall Islands- DC8
[Edited 2008-01-16 08:44:25]

[Edited 2008-01-16 08:55:52]


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User currently offlineAircanada014 From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 1513 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 4993 times:

Don't forget AC had B747-200C and B747-400C however AC did have B747-100 but not in combi version

User currently offlineDiesel1 From UK - Wales, joined Mar 2001, 1638 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 4967 times:



Quoting GARUDAROD (Reply 4):
Sabena- B747, DC10

Also operated their B737s in combi config.
Didn't fly in one, but recall talking to someone who flew from LHR to BRU

Also remember seeing an Aer Lingus B737 Combi at BRS arriving from DUB



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User currently offlineBSBIsland From Brazil, joined Jul 2005, 379 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 4952 times:

TAAG from Angola currently flies 2 747-300 Combi.

User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 8, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 4948 times:

Out here.
CD operates a B732C.
AI operates a B743C.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineWildcatYXU From Canada, joined May 2006, 2623 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 4929 times:

Canadian North operates 732C's.

User currently offlineETA Unknown From Comoros, joined Jun 2001, 2078 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 4861 times:

I think there was one A300 combi... started off with Happag Lloyd and then SAA. It had the front cargo door, but I don't know if it ever flew in combi configuration.

Similarly, Continental, Martinair and World had DC-10's with cargo doors, but never flew as combis. Sabena had the only combi configuration for the DC-10 and Alitlaia for the MD-11.

Add to the 747 list above (note: Garuda aircraft was leased from SAA, Nigeria Airways from SAS):
Air China
Air Madagascar
British Airways (very short-lived experiment)
Cameroon Airlines
Condor (for Lufthansa Taipei flights)
Egypt Air
El Al (nose door also)
Iran Air
Iraqi Airways (nose door also)
Korean
MEA
PIA
Qantas
Singapore
UTA

Also add Uganda AIrlines 707 combi.
And Aloha 737 (configuration changed at night- not flown as combi)

Some Pan Am 747's were modified adding the rear cargo door for military charter uses, but never flown with pax as combi. Martinair had combi variants (with nose door), but never operated as such.


User currently offlineAirplaneFan From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 236 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 4756 times:



Quoting KELPkid (Reply 3):
Don't forget AS and their 732 Combis...an important part of the Alaska economy

You shouldn't of forgotten that AS operates Boeing 737-400Combis. Wink
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User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8572 posts, RR: 13
Reply 12, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 4748 times:
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Quoting LTBEWR (Thread starter):
I recall flying on a IB 747 combi MAD-JFK back in 1985

are you sure it was IB? they are not an operator I can recall having combi 747s ?



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User currently offlineFlagshipAZ From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3419 posts, RR: 14
Reply 13, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 4701 times:

Southwest operated 1 737-2H4C back in the day. But it was never used in that capacity by WN.
Regards.



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User currently offlineMarcus From Mexico, joined Apr 2001, 1799 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 4685 times:

I flew Los Angeles-Seoul on Asiana's combi 744


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User currently offlineYOWza From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 4897 posts, RR: 15
Reply 15, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 4682 times:



Quoting GARUDAROD (Reply 4):
Royal Nepal-B757

For anyone who cares only one of RA's two 757's is a combi. 9N-ACB However it still operate in a pure PAX configuration and those on the inside are none the wiser.

YOWza



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25457 posts, RR: 22
Reply 16, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 4664 times:



Quoting Aircanada014 (Reply 5):
Don't forget AC had B747-200C and B747-400C however AC did have B747-100 but not in combi version

AC (when still TCA) was also the launch customer and first operator of the DC-8-54F combi.

NW also operated the 707-320C in combi configuration, and prior to that the DC-7C.


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User currently offlineGatoVolador From Spain, joined Apr 2007, 435 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4587 times:



Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 12):
are you sure it was IB? they are not an operator I can recall having combi 747s ?

Yes, they had B747-Combi. They flew to LAX, NRT, BOM, among others, with it.


User currently offlineMham001 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3659 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4570 times:

Evergreen or EVA is flying 747s San Francisco-Taipei.

User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12150 posts, RR: 51
Reply 19, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4568 times:

Flying Tigers also flew B-707-320Cs and B-747-200Cs. IIRC, there were several operators of B-707 combies, including AA.

User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 20, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 4513 times:



Quoting YOWza (Reply 15):
For anyone who cares only one of RA's two 757's is a combi. 9N-ACB However it still operate in a pure PAX configuration and those on the inside are none the wiser.

Thats true & its a B752 with RB211-535E4B2 powerplants.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25457 posts, RR: 22
Reply 21, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4457 times:



Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 19):
Flying Tigers also flew B-707-320Cs and B-747-200Cs. IIRC, there were several operators of B-707 combies, including AA.

Although many carriers operated the 707-320C which had the main deck cargo door, most of them never operated in actual combi configuration with both cargo and passengers on the main deck. With a few exceptions, they were normally all-passenger or all-freighter.


User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6398 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4450 times:



Quoting AirplaneFan (Reply 11):
You shouldn't of forgotten that AS operates Boeing 737-400Combis.

Yeah, but that's a very recent development. As I recall, the first one was delivered last year (2007...).



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User currently offlineCanadianNorth From Canada, joined Aug 2002, 3390 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4450 times:



Quoting WildcatYXU (Reply 9):
Canadian North operates 732C's

As does First Air.

Also, theres Air North flying four HS748s as combis, and the standard 737-200Adv as "sorta kinda half-@$$ combis" (seatpacks of cargo at the back when the passenger loads are light, loaded and unloaded by hand via the aft passenger door)



CanadianNorth



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21534 posts, RR: 59
Reply 24, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4438 times:

Didn't AS and AQ both operate Convertible 737-200s as well? Cargo at night, passengers by day, with palletized seats? I know Boeing has been selling the 737-700C since 1997, but have only delivered 11 with 1 still pending.


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25 Viscount724 : In addition to the two current operators of the 732C Combi, at least 6 other Canadian airlines (5 of which no longer exist) operated the 732C Combi.
26 Zbb757 : Jet2 (LS) also use 737-300 QC aircraft, with capacity to have either cargo or passengers. I think they use cargo when doing charters for Channel Expre
27 SupraZachAir : Yep, AS did have 732QC's. They changed throughout the day from 0-111 seats. I rode one from FAI-ANC in 37 seat configuration couple years back...
28 KC135TopBoom : I believe all of those B-737-700Cs were sold to the USN as C-40As.
29 Post contains links and images Briboy : First Air also operated a 727-200 (!) in Combi configuration: View Large View MediumPhoto © Eric Fortin - AirTeamImages View Large View MediumPho
30 NWAESC : Kinda sad that the -200's are all out of service now... For what it's worth, AS now as four -400 combis, and one -400 pure freighter.
31 Bohica : Western Airlines operated a B707-347C in a combi configuration during the late 1970's. It operated LAX-SFO-SEA-ANC-SEA-SFO-LAX.
32 Bmacleod : AC was actually the launch customer of the 747-200M (Combi). Quite surprised it hasn't already been mentioned.....[Edited 2008-01-19 11:15:20]
33 Post contains links and images Briboy : Air Inuit appears to be getting a 737-200 combi as well: View Large View MediumPhoto © Michael Durning Nolinar appears to have picked up this ex
34 Avianca : Avianca operated for years 747 combis...
35 Post contains images Boeing777/747 : The first of 2 ex-RAM Boeing 737-200Combis for Nolinor Aviation just left the paintshop: © Images Nolinor Aviation & Lila Design[Edited 2008-01-19 2
36 Post contains links and images FlySSC : MEA never operated any B747-Combi. They were configured in an All Pax version. UTA was operating 2 B747-200SUD Combi : F-BTDG & F-BTDH, 2 B747-300 Co
37 Briboy : Great! Thanks for sharing the photos. -Brian
38 AirAmericaC46 : Please provide examples of routes flown by the combi aircrafts: airline, aircraft type, routing, year or decade of service. Thanks.
39 Eta unknown : Alitalia, KLM, and UTA were the only three airlines to operate 747 combis with the pax zone stopping after door 3.
40 2travel2know : CM. Which flew a B737-200 Combi, late 80's / early 90's. It was used mostly in combi configutation on the PTY-KIN and PTY-PAP routes only, the aircra
41 Post contains links and images LTU932 : AFAIK (and correct me if I'm wrong), MP operated their 747Cs like they operated their MD-11CFs, once in PAX mode and once in freighter mode. In 2002,
42 Post contains links and images Viscount724 : CP Air's DC-8 fleet included one -55CF combi aircraft. View Large View MediumPhoto © Eduard Marmet Although it mostly operated in all-passenger c
43 777ER : Air Works in AKL have a B732C, ZK-NQC. Its ex NZ and SJ who both used it on New Zealand domestic flights. Air Works is a charter company
44 SWABrian : Maybe I missed it, but Reeve Aleution operated combi Electras.
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