LTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 12335 posts, RR: 12 Posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3855 times:
Since the beginning of the 'jet' age, who have been operators of mainline 'combi' aircraft, that is with main deck cargo facilities along with pax facilities? Who are current operators and models still in use?
I recall flying on a IB 747 combi MAD-JFK back in 1985. Have Airbus or McD make/made any 'combi' models? I know It seems to me that there were few operators over the years due to safety and operational issues.
BWilliams From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 212 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3840 times:
There were 5 combi MD-11C, all delivered to Alitalia.
I don't know of any Airbus planes that have been delivered as a combi.
Gr8Circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 2987 posts, RR: 4 Reply 2, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3836 times:
AI has 2 743 combis and 1 744 combi. The 743's were built and delivered as combis to AI in 1988 and are currently used on the BOM-NRT sector. The 744 combi is leased from AC and is currently used on the DEL-FRA-LAX sector....
KELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 5932 posts, RR: 4 Reply 3, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3830 times:
Don't forget AS and their 732 Combis...an important part of the Alaska economy
Celebrating the birth of KELPkidJR on August 5, 2009 :-)
GARUDAROD From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 1477 posts, RR: 1 Reply 4, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3822 times:
Operators of Combis past/present from the jet age would include:
Alitalia-B747, MD11
Lufthansa-B747
KLM-B747
Air France-B747
Sabena- B747, DC10
Malayasian-B747
EVA-B747
Asiana-B747
South African-B747
Garuda- B747
Kuwait-B747
Alia-B747
Air Mike-B727
Swissair-B747
Air Gabon-B747
Varig- B747
Air Nambia-B747
SAS-B747
Nigeria Airways-B747
Royal Air Maroc-B747
Royal Nepal-B757
Alaska-B737
Air Marshall Islands- DC8
[Edited 2008-01-16 08:44:25]
ETA Unknown From Comoros, joined Jun 2001, 2010 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3679 times:
I think there was one A300 combi... started off with Happag Lloyd and then SAA. It had the front cargo door, but I don't know if it ever flew in combi configuration.
Similarly, Continental, Martinair and World had DC-10's with cargo doors, but never flew as combis. Sabena had the only combi configuration for the DC-10 and Alitlaia for the MD-11.
Add to the 747 list above (note: Garuda aircraft was leased from SAA, Nigeria Airways from SAS):
Air China
Air Madagascar
British Airways (very short-lived experiment)
Cameroon Airlines
Condor (for Lufthansa Taipei flights)
Egypt Air
El Al (nose door also)
Iran Air
Iraqi Airways (nose door also)
Korean
MEA
PIA
Qantas
Singapore
UTA
Also add Uganda AIrlines 707 combi.
And Aloha 737 (configuration changed at night- not flown as combi)
Some Pan Am 747's were modified adding the rear cargo door for military charter uses, but never flown with pax as combi. Martinair had combi variants (with nose door), but never operated as such.
AirplaneFan From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 231 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3574 times:
Quoting KELPkid (Reply 3): Don't forget AS and their 732 Combis...an important part of the Alaska economy
You shouldn't of forgotten that AS operates Boeing 737-400Combis.
FlagshipAZ From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3419 posts, RR: 15 Reply 13, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3519 times:
Southwest operated 1 737-2H4C back in the day. But it was never used in that capacity by WN.
Regards.
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For anyone who cares only one of RA's two 757's is a combi. 9N-ACB However it still operate in a pure PAX configuration and those on the inside are none the wiser.
Mham001 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3001 posts, RR: 3 Reply 18, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3388 times:
Evergreen or EVA is flying 747s San Francisco-Taipei.
KC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 11711 posts, RR: 52 Reply 19, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3386 times:
Flying Tigers also flew B-707-320Cs and B-747-200Cs. IIRC, there were several operators of B-707 combies, including AA.
HAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31201 posts, RR: 58 Reply 20, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3331 times:
Quoting YOWza (Reply 15): For anyone who cares only one of RA's two 757's is a combi. 9N-ACB However it still operate in a pure PAX configuration and those on the inside are none the wiser.
Thats true & its a B752 with RB211-535E4B2 powerplants.
regds
MEL
Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 21495 posts, RR: 24 Reply 21, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3275 times:
Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 19): Flying Tigers also flew B-707-320Cs and B-747-200Cs. IIRC, there were several operators of B-707 combies, including AA.
Although many carriers operated the 707-320C which had the main deck cargo door, most of them never operated in actual combi configuration with both cargo and passengers on the main deck. With a few exceptions, they were normally all-passenger or all-freighter.
KELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 5932 posts, RR: 4 Reply 22, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3268 times:
Quoting AirplaneFan (Reply 11): You shouldn't of forgotten that AS operates Boeing 737-400Combis.
Yeah, but that's a very recent development. As I recall, the first one was delivered last year (2007...).
Celebrating the birth of KELPkidJR on August 5, 2009 :-)
Also, theres Air North flying four HS748s as combis, and the standard 737-200Adv as "sorta kinda half-@$$ combis" (seatpacks of cargo at the back when the passenger loads are light, loaded and unloaded by hand via the aft passenger door)
Ikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21029 posts, RR: 60 Reply 24, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3256 times:
Didn't AS and AQ both operate Convertible 737-200s as well? Cargo at night, passengers by day, with palletized seats? I know Boeing has been selling the 737-700C since 1997, but have only delivered 11 with 1 still pending.
Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
25 Viscount724: In addition to the two current operators of the 732C Combi, at least 6 other Canadian airlines (5 of which no longer exist) operated the 732C Combi.
26 Zbb757: Jet2 (LS) also use 737-300 QC aircraft, with capacity to have either cargo or passengers. I think they use cargo when doing charters for Channel Expre
27 SupraZachAir: Yep, AS did have 732QC's. They changed throughout the day from 0-111 seats. I rode one from FAI-ANC in 37 seat configuration couple years back...
28 KC135TopBoom: I believe all of those B-737-700Cs were sold to the USN as C-40As.
30 NWAESC: Kinda sad that the -200's are all out of service now... For what it's worth, AS now as four -400 combis, and one -400 pure freighter.
31 Bohica: Western Airlines operated a B707-347C in a combi configuration during the late 1970's. It operated LAX-SFO-SEA-ANC-SEA-SFO-LAX.
32 Bmacleod: AC was actually the launch customer of the 747-200M (Combi). Quite surprised it hasn't already been mentioned.....[Edited 2008-01-19 11:15:20]
36 FlySSC: MEA never operated any B747-Combi. They were configured in an All Pax version. UTA was operating 2 B747-200SUD Combi : F-BTDG & F-BTDH, 2 B747-300 Co
37 Briboy: Great! Thanks for sharing the photos. -Brian
38 AirAmericaC46: Please provide examples of routes flown by the combi aircrafts: airline, aircraft type, routing, year or decade of service. Thanks.
39 Eta unknown: Alitalia, KLM, and UTA were the only three airlines to operate 747 combis with the pax zone stopping after door 3.
40 2travel2know: CM. Which flew a B737-200 Combi, late 80's / early 90's. It was used mostly in combi configutation on the PTY-KIN and PTY-PAP routes only, the aircra
41 LTU932: AFAIK (and correct me if I'm wrong), MP operated their 747Cs like they operated their MD-11CFs, once in PAX mode and once in freighter mode. In 2002,
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