AIG Inc's International Lease Finance Corp., the world's largest aircraft lessor, is in talks to add 10 A350s to a previous order and may also buy more than 100 single-aisle planes, Leahy said in an interview.
Chiad From Norway, joined May 2006, 907 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 2664 times:
Quoting WINGS (Thread starter): AIG Inc's International Lease Finance Corp., the world's largest aircraft lessor, is in talks to add 10 A350s to a previous order and may also buy more than 100 single-aisle planes, Leahy said in an interview.
Thanks for the news WINGS.
If this one firms up this month then Airbus will beat previous January.
I am no specialist in the industry, but if there was a slow down in orders then I missed it somehow.
This is crazy. Maybe I should hold my horses but it seems to me that Airbus is already stretching towards another year with a 1000 orders.
LifelinerOne From Netherlands, joined Nov 2003, 1880 posts, RR: 8 Reply 5, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 2597 times:
With lease corporations like AWAS and ILFC still ordering large flocks of narrowbodies A320 series and B737 series one would expect that a next generation narrowbody is further away than one might think.
Or, can these orders be converted to the new series and are leasing corporations just buying in order to make sure they don't miss the boat when Boeing or Airbus announces their new products?
Nevertheless, if signed, a big order for Airbus and a great start for the new year. Adding A350's is also a good boost for the program. Maybe they have a lot of airlines already asking about availability at ILFC?
CygnusChicago From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 758 posts, RR: 8 Reply 6, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 2549 times:
Quoting LifelinerOne (Reply 5): Or, can these orders be converted to the new series and are leasing corporations just buying in order to make sure they don't miss the boat when Boeing or Airbus announces their new products?
I'm pretty sure they can be converted. The challenge is of course that the larger the backlog, the higher the incentive for B or A to hold off on launching the replacement narrow-body.
If you cannot do the math, your opinion means squat!
RedFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4179 posts, RR: 30 Reply 7, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 2527 times:
Quoting Flighty (Reply 4): The year 2008 will see many, many orders for the A350. Just my 2c.
I'm thinking the biggest year for the A350 will come in 2009, after design freeze and after the 787 is flying (assuming there are no further delays on that bird). IMHO, there's still too many variables out there and some carriers may still be taking a wait-and-see attitude. That is not to say the A350 won't sell well this year, just that I think the floodgates for it will open in 2009.
WINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 70 Reply 8, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 2265 times:
What I'm most curious to see is Mr Aboulafia reaction to ILFC placing yet another follow on order for the A350.
With so many A320 and 737 sales in recent time, I seriously doubt that both Airbus and Boeing are even willing to commitment to a Narrow Body before 2012.
N1786b From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 551 posts, RR: 18 Reply 9, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 2237 times:
Quoting WINGS (Reply 8): With so many A320 and 737 sales in recent time, I seriously doubt that both Airbus and Boeing are even willing to commitment to a Narrow Body before 2012.
Leahy was reported as saying the NSR won't see the light of day until 2017 at earliest. So if he is talking about the EIS, it will be launched around 2012.
LifelinerOne From Netherlands, joined Nov 2003, 1880 posts, RR: 8 Reply 11, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 2189 times:
Quoting PM (Reply 10): He'll sneer, "Why only 10 more...?"
Yes, he will probably come up with something like:
"It's good to see Airbus is picking up more orders for it's troubled A350 program. However, as ILFC is not a blue-chip lease corporation I cannot see the A350 become a success as the Boeing 787 Dreamliner is".
Planemaker From Tuvalu, joined Aug 2003, 5488 posts, RR: 34 Reply 12, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 2185 times:
Quoting WINGS (Reply 8): With so many A320 and 737 sales in recent time, I seriously doubt that both Airbus and Boeing are even willing to commitment to a Narrow Body before 2012.
Quoting N1786b (Reply 9): Leahy was reported as saying the NSR won't see the light of day until 2017 at earliest. So if he is talking about the EIS, it will be launched around 2012.
The later the better I've always said (and have been pummeled for it! )
Just think of the technology that will be incorporated in the Narrow Body replacements with just a few extra years of development!!
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PM From India, joined Feb 2005, 6717 posts, RR: 65 Reply 14, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 2155 times:
Quoting LifelinerOne (Reply 11): "It's good to see Airbus is picking up more orders for it's troubled A350 program. However, as ILFC is not a blue-chip lease corporation I cannot see the A350 become a success as the Boeing 787 Dreamliner is".
Worldrider From Switzerland, joined Nov 2007, 267 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 2114 times:
Quoting RedFlyer (Reply 7): 'm thinking the biggest year for the A350 will come in 2009, after design freeze and after the 787 is flying (assuming there are no further delays on that bird). IMHO, there's still too many variables out there and some carriers may still be taking a wait-and-see attitude. That is not to say the A350 won't sell well this year, just that I think the floodgates for it will open in 2009.
i cannot see AF and LH, IB, QF waiting 2009 for a 350-900/1000 and/or 358/787 order, they are late, if Airbus hasn't revealed design freeze it's because Boeing hasn't yet revealed the 787-1, they don't want to see any other "340 vs. 777" nightmare again, so far they are playing quite well.
Scbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 11362 posts, RR: 50 Reply 17, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 2055 times:
Quoting Worldrider (Reply 15): i cannot see AF and LH, IB, QF waiting 2009 for a 350-900/1000 and/or 358/787 order, they are late, if Airbus hasn't revealed design freeze it's because Boeing hasn't yet revealed the 787-1
Let's just be clear here - the basic configuration of the A350 is frozen (it will not get bigger or smaller, it is what it is). Detailed design freeze is sheduled for later this year. This was confirmed by Enders at the conference on Wednesday.
Airbus will not change the -900 or -1000 regardless of what 787-10 Boeing eventually makes available.
RedFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4179 posts, RR: 30 Reply 18, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1756 times:
Quoting Worldrider (Reply 15): i cannot see AF and LH, IB, QF waiting 2009 for a 350-900/1000 and/or 358/787 order, they are late,
Quoting LifelinerOne (Reply 16): You're right. AF-KLM is to order 100 A350's and/or B787's this year as has been confirmed by the executives involved in the purchase last year.
Very valid points; however, an airline doesn't have to "order" to get a slot in the delivery queue. I've no doubt prospective customers have delivery slots reserved with expiration dates (meaning order by a specific date or lose the slot). In fact I wouldn't be surprised if the same airline has reserved delivery slots with competing models of the 787 and the A350.
Quoting Scbriml (Reply 17): Let's just be clear here - the basic configuration of the A350 is frozen (it will not get bigger or smaller, it is what it is). Detailed design freeze is sheduled for later this year. This was confirmed by Enders at the conference on Wednesday.
Airbus will not change the -900 or -1000 regardless of what 787-10 Boeing eventually makes available.
True. And while not related directly to design freeze, there is that touchy issue of whether or not GE will come aboard. I think that is probably the only chink in the armor of an otherwise stellar airframe.
DAYflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 4 Reply 20, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1590 times:
Why would they order so many A-320's with a slower year anticipated?
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