Legoguy From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 3317 posts, RR: 38
Reply 4, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 55764 times:
Looking at the marks in the grass, firstly there are two lines in the grass, and then after a few hundred feet, there are 4 lines in the grass, perhaps suggesting that those extra 2 lines are the engines scrapping against the grass which perhaps suggests that is when the landing gear collapsed.
Anyhow BA is the last airline I would have associated with a 777 incident/accident. However I guess this is a credit to the safety of the 777 that no one died.
News seems to suggest that one cause may be flying into a flock of large birds e.g. geese
Overall I am glad that everyone is mostly OK. The load numbers seem quite small which may have helped things.
By the way, seems like A.net is about to crash. What a rubbish time to do so.
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Awthompson From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 546 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 55588 times:
It is utterly strange that this Boeing 777-236 has landed and actually came to a halt before even reaching the touchdown zone of the runway on which it was attempting to land (if this is actually the case and it looks like it).
This would NOT have been caused by an undercarriage failure of any kind.
In my mind, I cannot help but narrow down to three broad scenarios when I look at this accident......
One possibility is a very serious control failure of some kind, ie. complete loss of pitch control leaving the flight deck crew with engine thrust variation as their only means of adjusting pitch, ie. the United DC-10 disaster at Sioux City in 1989.
A second possibility is a serious error of judgement on the part of the flight deck crew in terms of flying a stable approach and completing a successful landing in the touch down zone - almost unthinkable but stranger things have happened in aviation! A struggle with an intruder of some kind on the flight deck could explain this outcome. Passengers were given reasonable warning of an impending emergency landing so this one is unlikely.
A third scenario comes from a strange resemblance to the Kegworth air disaster also of 1989 (G-OBME). Impacting short of the runway was the result of complete loss of all power on the final approach preventing the aircraft from making the runway, sadly with much worse results since there was a deep motorway embankment in it's path. In today's accident, I believe this could only have happened as a result of fuel starvation.
Watch this space!
Thankfully however, there has been no loss of life but I think we will all admit that this accident came uncomfortably close to becoming a much more serious one.
Flipdewaf From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2006, 1610 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 55049 times:
A guy on sky said the plane looked like it was pitching up and down a lot on approach and came in on what sounds like a short final. Makes me think either a pitch control error or I may stick with my CoG being too far back theory and it was only an issue as the aircraft got slower.
Maybe they had the Autothrust very low , so the A/C was approaching slow with some nose wind which could have stopped blowing and then producing that the A/C didn't had enough time to get drag to make it to the runway .
Thom@s From Norway, joined Oct 2000, 11957 posts, RR: 43
Reply 17, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 54893 times:
One of the passengers being interviewed by Sky News says he first thought it was just a rought landing, and didn't realise anythyng was wrong until the oxygen masks came down, and they were told to evacuate.
"I've experienced rough landings before, and I thought 'this is a rough landing'..."
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Strudders From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2004, 109 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 55977 times:
Off work today so missed all the hullabaloo
When I was on a T4 orientation day, I was with Dispatch. I was assigned to a Whisky Stand 777 Mike Mike! However it went technical and we had to Bus the punters back off the plane after 3 hours! Sad to see it like this is now. Great Credit to all the Crew. Well done Girls and Boys you have done yourselves proud. Well done Boeing for such a strong frame too.
Yes, but that were new aircraft, one or two years old (like a JAL 742 in teh 70s, a LH Cargo 742F in 1983, or the IB A346 last November which appears to be repaired, though the IB Airbus seems to be a bit less damaged than the BA aircraft now). The BA 777 aircraft is 7 years old, with almost 30% of its normal service life already spent. And at least one wing and both engines and complete undercarriage are completely destroyed, not to mention possible damage to the fuselage and wingbox.