SiouxATC From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 367 posts, RR: 1 Posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 3862 times:
I was wondering if YX has finished putting their signature seats into their saver services MD-80s yet? Also I heard that Midwest is going to be doing away with thier all Signature 717s in favor of the two classes like their current MD-80s. Is this true? And if so when will this be taking place?
TVNWZ From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 2200 posts, RR: 1 Reply 1, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 3843 times:
I believe they are finished putting three rows of Signature seats on Saver aircraft. I do not believe they have started putting Saver seats onto the 717s yet. It is supposed to be phased in this year.
Knope2001 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2555 posts, RR: 31 Reply 2, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 3826 times:
All M80's have been switched to 12 2x2 seats and 131 or 127 2x3 seats. The conversion was completed last fall, and those old blue cloth seats have been replaced with brown leather for the entire cabin.
Midwest's 717's will convert to 40 2x2 seats and 59 2x3 seats, with the target date for completion by the end of the second quarter.
On the M80, the 2x2 seats are available for a flat upgrade fee from any fare.
On the 717, the 2x2 seats will be free for passengers in higher fare buckets, and for a flat upgrade fee from lower fare buckets.
Upgrades on the M80, which flies mostly longer hauls, is a flat $65 each way.
Upgrades on the 717, which flies mostly medium and shorter haul flights, is not yet determined.
Sideflare75 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 613 posts, RR: 1 Reply 5, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3313 times:
Look for the mods to the 717s to start around June 1st with it being completed by mid-August. That's if any of us are left to do the work.
TVNWZ From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 2200 posts, RR: 1 Reply 6, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3276 times:
Quoting SkyexRamper (Reply 4): And we were suppose to get an update on the MD-80 replacements at the end of 2007. And the news is.......NWA or the end of YX.
jMy bet...and strictly speculation...lease a few Airbi's from NW.
Msntriathlete From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 159 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3164 times:
I flew on a 2-class MD-81 today from MKE-MCO and managed to upgrade to a Signature seat up front. The comfort of the seat beats most of the majors' first class. For a $65 upgrade from any fare (even mileage redemption, as in my case), the price can't be beat. The BOB food is quite good. Of course, the best part of the Midwest flights are still the cockpit & cabin crew who are so friendly and helpful, but at the same time so professional.
SiouxATC From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 367 posts, RR: 1 Reply 9, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3068 times:
I am booked from LAX-MCI-MKE in July and was hoping I would get a ride on the signature 717, but it seems like they will be in the two class config. by then. Is that correct? So it is a flat rate of $65 USD no matter what class of service? Even with special sale fares?
SkyexRamper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 10, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3008 times:
Quoting SiouxATC (Reply 9): So it is a flat rate of $65 USD no matter what class of service?
The upgrade cost is for the MD-80 Signature seats only because they don't sell those online. It's first come first serve at the gate. The 717s will be sold as two different price scales, like the difference between coach and business on other airlines, once they are transformed.
Mauiman31 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 434 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (5 years 4 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2951 times:
I am FF on YX out of MCI hub. I use their non-stop 717 service MCI to SAN, LAX, SEA, LGA frequently. Most recent trip was MCI-SFO-MCI - MD82 on that route. Upgrade is available 24 hours before on line or at airport at check in. Perk? Bigger Signature seat. And they start the meal/beverage service from the front so they have all the selections for the pax who paid more. So, if you care about that might be worth the extra $65 each way.
I have used YX since they came to MCI. The linen, china, champagne, wine service, fabulous food, 2-2 seating, of the pre 9/11 years made them truly "The best care in the air" for Y prices! They still are, even with the cutbacks. Love them. I just hope NW will transfer my FF miles. Am hopeful, AA took all my TW miles - thank goodness. Have been through this before - so we shall see. . .
MSNtriathlete From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 159 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (5 years 4 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2777 times:
Sioux, I'll be flying back to Wisconsin on 22Jan, so I'll try to get a pic for you then. All I have with me is my cellphone, not a real camera, so the low-res pics my phone takes is the best I'll be able to do.
SiouxATC From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 367 posts, RR: 1 Reply 14, posted (5 years 4 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2764 times:
Quoting MSNtriathlete (Reply 13): Sioux, I'll be flying back to Wisconsin on 22Jan, so I'll try to get a pic for you then. All I have with me is my cellphone, not a real camera, so the low-res pics my phone takes is the best I'll be able to do.
Sideflare75 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 613 posts, RR: 1 Reply 15, posted (5 years 4 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2688 times:
Quoting SiouxATC (Reply 12): And what is the time frame of the 717s getting retrofitted? Will they be done by July????/
Supposed to start June 1st and be completed by mid August last I heard. They wanted to do it sooner but June 1st is the earliest Recaro can start delivering the new seats.
Cloudboy From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 668 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (5 years 4 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2590 times:
So are they then going to be dropping the price of their saver service seats on those flights? If I am not going to get the bigger seat, I don't see any reason to spend that much more to fly them than JetBlue.
"Six becoming three doesn't create more Americans that want to fly." -Adam Pilarski
SiouxATC From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 367 posts, RR: 1 Reply 17, posted (5 years 4 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2533 times:
Quoting Cloudboy (Reply 16): So are they then going to be dropping the price of their saver service seats on those flights? If I am not going to get the bigger seat, I don't see any reason to spend that much more to fly them than JetBlue.
Agreed. For me it is their employees that will keep me coming back from now on. It will be interesting to see how YX does in the coming months.
MKE22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1111 posts, RR: 2 Reply 18, posted (5 years 4 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2507 times:
I don't mean to hijack this thread or anything, but as long as you guys are talking YX, I thought I should give you guys the latest rumors. 1st (not really a rumor), YX is looking to replace the MD-80, and are evaluating the Airbus 319, or the Boeing 737 to see which would best fit. 2nd (and bigger rumor), YX is looking to add another hub or focus city(not Omaha)!
Any speculation as to where they might go into as a hub or focus city?
Knope2001 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2555 posts, RR: 31 Reply 19, posted (5 years 4 months 5 days ago) and read 2474 times:
Quoting Cloudboy (Reply 16): So are they then going to be dropping the price of their saver service seats on those flights?
They stated back when this was announced that the expanded 717 seating would be for "more lower-fare tickets" sold in the 2x3 section. It's not clear if that means lower fares, or more seats avaailable in the lowest-fare buckets, or both. Midwest frequently gets a higher average fare because they sell fewer cheap seats. Their fare buckets are largely the same prices as their nonstop competition, but they offer fewer. With the change they will likely offer more seats at those low fare buckets. They may also be more aggressive matching the fare sales of competitors, or more widely match fares in ancillary connecting markets they have never really targeted before such as CLE-DFW or PHX-BOS.
Midwest's plans are to sell the entire cabin as coach, and they've worked extensively with Sabre to allow travel agents and corporate travel planners to do that. The point is for it to be a choice, rather than just penalizing people who book early and rewwarding people who end up paying more based on circumstance. Beyond that, they also stated that they will offer upgrades into the 2x2 section for a fee.
If I had to guess, when this does get rolled out it will be somewhat like what Air Canada offers on their site. Multiple coach options available. Both Air Canada and Virgin Atalntic have this sort of thing, but neither premium coach seems to be easily booked unless you go directly to the airline's website. That's what Midwest is working with Sabre on changing.
SkyexRamper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 20, posted (5 years 4 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2419 times:
Quoting MKE22 (Reply 18): I don't mean to hijack this thread or anything, but as long as you guys are talking YX, I thought I should give you guys the latest rumors. 1st (not really a rumor), YX is looking to replace the MD-80, and are evaluating the Airbus 319, or the Boeing 737 to see which would best fit. 2nd (and bigger rumor), YX is looking to add another hub or focus city(not Omaha)!
Any speculation as to where they might go into as a hub or focus city?
SkyexRamper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 22, posted (5 years 4 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2347 times:
Quoting TVNWZ (Reply 21): With fleet utilization so tight now, how would they be able to do that? It seems to me that they would need a lot more planes to have another hub.
They could outsource their mainline flying to NWA and pull all those DC-9s out of storage!
MKE22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1111 posts, RR: 2 Reply 23, posted (5 years 4 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2322 times:
Quoting TVNWZ (Reply 21): With fleet utilization so tight now, how would they be able to do that? It seems to me that they would need a lot more planes to have another hub.
Maybe they are looking to get more. Maybe this will happen when they get their 737s or Airbus 319s.
Cloudboy From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 668 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (5 years 4 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2246 times:
Quoting SkyexRamper (Reply 20): You can't hijack a thread with common knowledge.
Apparently you were wrong.
Anyways, back to the subject at hand. The point is, they really have little to offer against their competition now. I agree they will price match, but if you are going to win the low cost game you have to beat them. Midwest simply has too high costs to do that. The better seats were their real selling point. So they offer cookies and nice buy on board? You can get even better (and usually cheaper) food at the airport itself. And nice smiling flight attendants don't really add a lot of value if you don't have much to use them for. Most people sit in their seat, pull out the paper or a book and read.
I think this move is really putting them back into a regional carrier. They used to offer a beater seat. Now you get so little more, it's not worth going way out of the way to Milwaukee to use them.
"Six becoming three doesn't create more Americans that want to fly." -Adam Pilarski
25 NorthwestEWR: I don't think you've flown YX, if they hadn't downgraded EWR to a CRJ I'd be using them as much as possible. They make flying a little less routine,
26 Sideflare75: Its A320s or 737-800's as Tim has stated publically if it ever happens at all. Frankly after two years of being told decision to be announced by the
27 Cubsrule: Do tell us what airport food you eat... I'm really curious (as I'd go out of my way to fly through any airport where this is true).
28 MKE22: I didn't mean 737-700s, I just meant the 737 in general. I was wrong about the A 320. I think it could happen eventually, they have just been busy ex
29 SkyexRamper: You're talk about Midwest right?!?! I have only found truly kind and helpful employees at the outstations. MKE based staff gets annoyed and unpleasan
30 Cloudboy: Don't get me wrong, I think they have some great employees (most of them, anyways). But I simply don't find myself interacting with them that often.
31 Cubsrule: I am certain there is no place at MKE that serves food as good as YX's BoB.
32 NorthwestEWR: YX's BoB food is fantastic, some of the best salad I've ever had, I plan to visit the restaurant in Milwaukee sometime that does the catering.
34 MSNtriathlete: Sorry, Sioux, but those pics I promised didn't come out in any useable condition. Such is life with cameraphone pics. I should have brought my camera.
35 SiouxATC: Not a problem. Can you share your opinions on the flight? What did you think of the new config? How did you enjoy the flight????? Thanks Signed Sioux
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