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UA914 (1/17/08) - Ex VP Gore Onboard  
User currently offlineSFOFlyer From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 132 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 7 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2968 times:

I just got off of UA914 (SFO-IAD) today (and it is really a crapped day at IAD). It was supposed to be the newly configured B763 with the new F/C class seat but they swapped it last night because C class was oversold. (Or so we were told). And I was really looking forward to experiencing the new C class seats.

However, maybe another reason was because there we not enough seats in F and C class seats to accommodate ex-VP Gore’s entourage. He seemed to have a quite a few people traveling with him. Or maybe is was because they canceled UA936 (next IAD departure). Or maybe the original plane went MX. Maybe someone at UA knows???

In any case, my question is how common is it for a ex-VP to travel on a commercial airline? I have seen many celebrities (actually sat behind Tom Brokaw on a TED flight last month) and even some US Senators, but never I have I seen an ex-VP or ex-President flying commercially (with the exception of the Government owned Airlines)? I would think that they would have their own planes or at least charter one.

Anyone have any insight?


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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (6 years 7 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2928 times:

Quoting SFOFlyer (Thread starter):

In any case, my question is how common is it for a ex-VP to travel on a commercial airline?

Very common... they are no longer entitled to the 89th Air Wing so how else do they get around..? I'm sure they charter planes at times as needed, but that can get costly. Although not the VP, but very high ranking members of the Gov't, I've flown several times with Casper Weinberger and Sen. Susan Collins.

[Edited 2008-01-17 14:57:08]


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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (6 years 7 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2852 times:



Quoting SFOFlyer (Thread starter):
my question is how common is it for a ex-VP to travel on a commercial airline?

Usual practice . . . he's not entitled to travel at US Gov't expense . . .

Neither is a former PotUS . . .

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 1):
I've flown several times with Casper Weinberger and Sen. Susan Collins.

And I with Sen McCain, Sen Thompson, Sen Stevens, Secretary Powell (before he was SecState), among others . . .

OK, when will someone bring up Nixon's ride to Cali on UA back in the day?


User currently offlineN104UA From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 905 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 7 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2805 times:

He flew commerical because he is trying to be enviromentally friendly but not flying a private jet


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User currently offlineDon From Japan, joined Jun 2003, 274 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 7 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2783 times:

May his private plane was grounded.

http://www.newsbusters.org/node/10951

Now that is an inconvenient truth


User currently offlineAA61Hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13977 posts, RR: 57
Reply 5, posted (6 years 7 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2706 times:

Per a speech by Colin Powell (sp) I saw last year. As soon as they are out of office, they travel commericially. He even cited a time he bought a 1 way ticket cash, and was pulled aside for further search. Though he did say the TSA person searching him laughed when he did a quick pat down and apologized as its standard procedure.


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User currently offlineAlexPorter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (6 years 7 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2519 times:

There is the anecdote of former President GHW Bush having to divert to MKE on 9/11, and for some reason I think he was flying commercial at the time, but possibly it was his own plane or a chartered plane.

User currently offlinePnwtraveler From Canada, joined Jun 2007, 2235 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (6 years 7 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2440 times:

When Ex-Presidents travel and do so with either an official capacity or semi-official on often a plane is sent for them. For example attending the funeral of a foreign dignitary. Other times private jets are provided by corporations. Often one of the perks of them sitting on boards of corporations means they can make sue of the corporate travel. If the secret service had their way they would never fly commercial. Speaking fees (Clinton seems to be in Toronto two to three times a year lately and charges around $100,000 per event) are often generous enough to make it possible to fly privately. Since they raise enough moeny for their foundations and libraries etc. there is often enough funds to cover private travel. Lastly when charities are involved First Class air travel is part of the deal and that would include an aid or two and also Secret Service. The secret service picks up the tab for their travel and the numbers vary according to threat levels etc. I also know that there have been times when a couple of seats were purchased for the travel of an ex-potus, additional seats were bought by someone (secret service?) so that there were empty seats around between him and the rest of first class. I also know a US Marshal was also on the flight.

The arrangements for Tony Blair would have been much simpler and less expensive if he had been available to speak at one of the events in question.


User currently offlineLH417AF025 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 276 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 7 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2345 times:

why was the 763 originally put on the CDG run? Are they starting flying 763's IAD CDG?

User currently offlineIADLHR From Italy, joined Apr 2005, 735 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 7 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2255 times:



Quoting AlexPorter (Reply 6):
There is the anecdote of former President GHW Bush having to divert to MKE on 9/11, and for some reason I think he was flying commercial at the time, but possibly it was his own plane or a chartered plane.

I remeber reading about that and he was on a private jet that day that did divert to MKE. I also read, and heard Barbara Bush, on a tv interview, say that. She also said how they ended up staying at a Holiday Inn that night and had dinner at an Outback Steakhouse that night. Im sure all that really gave jitters to the secret service. The next day, their son, sent a military jet to take them to their home in Maine.


User currently onlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8466 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (6 years 7 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2167 times:

Patting down General Colin Powell... LOL... that's just great.

Quoting IADLHR (Reply 9):
The next day, their son, sent a military jet to take them to their home in Maine.

Nice, the military probably does not mind carrying George HW and Barbara Bush on occasion. They deserve a ride now and then.  Smile


User currently offlineGALLEYSTEW From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 159 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 7 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2107 times:

First of all...........the new airplane...which is a 767 is flying IAD-FRA-IAD. Every 6 days it is sent to SFO for maintainance issues. There is a possibility it was kept in IAD.


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User currently offlineAmwest2United From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 409 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 7 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1963 times:
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Quoting LH417AF025 (Reply 8):
why was the 763 originally put on the CDG run? Are they starting flying 763's IAD CDG?

There is nothing here that states anything about IAD-CDG, not sure what you are talking about! F914, IAD-CDG is still a B777

Quoting SFOFlyer (Thread starter):
It was supposed to be the newly configured B763 with the new F/C class seat but they swapped it last night because C class was oversold. (Or so we were told). And I was really looking forward to experiencing the new C class seats.

Aircraft 6447 was not scheduled for F914/17Jan. It was always scheduled from FRA-IAD F953/17Jan and IAD-SFO F937/17Jan. A lot of employees are confused becuase they show the new seating configuration on both F952/952 IAD-FRA-IAD and F937/914 IAD-SFO-IAD everyday to insure they don't oversell the flight in 1st and Business. a couple days before, the routing is set and the the seating is changed, as of late it is only the day before. So if you book any of the 4 flights, it will show the new config. Chances of seeing on SFO is 1 out of 5 or 6, while FRA is 5 or 6 out of 7 days.



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User currently offlineSFOFlyer From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 132 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 7 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1879 times:



Quoting Amwest2United (Reply 12):
Aircraft 6447 was not scheduled for F914/17Jan. It was always scheduled from FRA-IAD F953/17Jan and IAD-SFO F937/17Jan. A lot of employees are confused becuase they show the new seating configuration on both F952/952 IAD-FRA-IAD and F937/914 IAD-SFO-IAD everyday to insure they don't oversell the flight in 1st and Business. a couple days before, the routing is set and the the seating is changed, as of late it is only the day before. So if you book any of the 4 flights, it will show the new config. Chances of seeing on SFO is 1 out of 5 or 6, while FRA is 5 or 6 out of 7 days.

Makes sense to me. That is why when they released the seating map, only the left side of the airplane showed occupied and the seat map was under airport control.



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User currently offlineSFOFlyer From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 132 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 7 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1873 times:

And to my point on how common it is for him to fly commerical, I would think that he would be a high risk target and always charter domestically? But then again he is not a Republician!  duck  HAHA!


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User currently offlineAmwest2United From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 409 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 7 months 6 days ago) and read 1709 times:
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Quoting SFOFlyer (Reply 13):
Makes sense to me. That is why when they released the seating map, only the left side of the airplane showed occupied and the seat map was under airport control.

This new aircraft has a different seat numbering/lettering system.

Old is AB-CDE-FG
New is AB-CEG-HJ

That is why you don't seat seat avail for Aircraft right. This new lettering makes it standard with the 777.



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User currently offlineBmacleod From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 2259 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 7 months 6 days ago) and read 1668 times:

He's a civilian once he leaves office. As a former VP he doesn't qualify for Secret Service entourage or a private jet as Pres. Clinton would be entitled to.

Though Clinton has been seen on a few commercial shuttle flights over the years. So no a private jet would be arranged only on special circumstances...



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User currently offlineSFOFlyer From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 132 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 7 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 1466 times:



Quoting Amwest2United (Reply 15):
New is AB-CEG-HJ

Actually, per UA website when I tried to assign a seat, it is:

A / C / K in F class
AB /CH / JK in C class
AB / CEH / JK in Y class



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User currently offlineHPAEAA From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1024 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (6 years 7 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1399 times:



Quoting SFOFlyer (Thread starter):
In any case, my question is how common is it for a ex-VP to travel on a commercial airline? I have seen many celebrities (actually sat behind Tom Brokaw on a TED flight last month) and even some US Senators, but never I have I seen an ex-VP or ex-President flying commercially (with the exception of the Government owned Airlines)? I would think that they would have their own planes or at least charter one.

Anyone have any insight?

Not very.. see below...

Quoting N104UA (Reply 3):
He flew commerical because he is trying to be environmentally friendly but not flying a private jet

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Quoting AlexPorter (Reply 6):
There is the anecdote of former President GHW Bush having to divert to MKE on 9/11, and for some reason I think he was flying commercial at the time, but possibly it was his own plane or a chartered plane.

It's true! Former Presidency G.H.B. was diverted to MKE on a private jet and stranded for a day or two until the current Bush sent a military plane to pick him up... glad my tax dollars helped get daddy home... mean while my dad and friend's dad's were stranded!.. ahh well...

Bottom Line...

Most Ex VPs of the US or Presidents of the US don't fly commercial ever, instead they fly corperate jets or private aircraft that are provided by the companies that they serve on the board for, or out of their own pocket... Gore is the exception since his cause is the enviroment, and in order to go green, he flies commercialy.. (as I recall he flew CO to recieve his Nobel Prize, (even though they offered a private jet)). Celebrities are a little diffrent... the elite ( J. Travotla, ans so on ) can afford to fly on private jets or have studios pay for the private flight, but many fly first class commercially.... Brittney Spears, Hillary Duff, Tom Brokow (as mentioned above), LeBroun James (flew MQ to MIA) Athletes, Models, actors, and the like get first class tickets on Commercial carriers, but not private jets...



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