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User currently offlineBeaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 25
Posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 2641 times:

Introduction of Ecotax by Dutch Government for travel on/after July 1st 2008

The Dutch government requires KLM & NWA to apply an Air Passenger Tax for all departures on/after July 1st 2008. The tax applies for every passenger departing from the Netherlands, thus for all 3/4th traffic, for all tickets issued worldwide on/after January 16th 2008.

The tax amounts are:

- for all destinations within the EU or < 2500km: € 11,25
- for all destinations outside the EU or > 2500km: € 45,00

Exemples of taxes applicable as of July 2008 -all flights to destinations like Antilles,USA ,Asia or Caribes will be a whopping 300 € !!!! ( 440$ ) ontop the actual ticket price..
Air ports in Germany and Belgium will be pleased,specially to holiday-destinations like Morocco or Tunisia,which will become completely overpriced once you incluse the new taxes.


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User currently offlineAirbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4268 posts, RR: 51
Reply 1, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 2629 times:

It's a stupid move by Dutch government indeed.

Carriers like ThomsonFly (AMS), and Volareweb (MST, RTM) terminated operations to the Netherlands.
Jet2 reduced operations, as well easyJet will reduce on several routes.
Ryanair doesn't start a base at EIN for the moment.

All of above are linked to these additional taxes, which makes flying to/from neighbouring countries more attractive.

One of the reasons that I booked my summer holiday at the end of June  Wink, to avoid these taxes for the time being...



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User currently offlineSQ325 From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 1451 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 2625 times:

I say this is a good thing!
But only valid for the Netherlands just weakens the NL Aviationindustry.
This should be a EU wide Tax. Unfortunately there is no chance to make this a worldwide tax.
There are still governments saying the clima changes are just because of the cyclus of nature!!!!!
So every flight overflying the EU should be the Eco tax!
I don' t the need to fly from STN to TFS or so for less than 50€ or 19.99€ for CGN-LIS!
This is cheaper than a Train from FRA to Mannheim!!!


User currently offlineGilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 3014 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 2610 times:

Sounds like the Dutch government have been taking lessons from the UK about these absolute rip-off taxes. It infuriates me how countries jump on the bandwagon and use any excuse to charge extra, at the end of the day these are not really environmental taxes but a simple revenue raising exercise.

£10 for Departing Flights to the EU
£20 for Departing Flights to Non-EU Countries in Europe
£40 for all other Countries.

If you fly Premium Economy, Business or First Class the taxes are double!!!

The UK have exactly the same issues with petrol and diesel, calling them environmental taxes and hence now why we have some of the highest fuel prices in the world.

As people have pointed out before, if they really must tax people flying it should be the airlines directly who fly in-efficent and polluting old aircraft and they then pass these additional costs onto the passenger that chooses to fly with them.

The airlines here were furious about the new taxes, but after a year it has all settled down and people bite the bullet and just pay them. Is does nothing to stop people flying.


User currently offlineBeaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 25
Reply 4, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 2608 times:

None of that money is going to change any eco matters -it's basically a means to fill empty pockets of state-budgets,increase profits of airport-operators and will increase car-traffic from NL to B and D...
I would agree on the principle if the funds would really go into environmentally friendly investments.
Chirac also invented last year a stupid tax to help cancer research and support for aids-research.Basically it bolsters profits of private pharmaceutical companies and does not help for instance alternative medical research that is not tied to large multinationals.



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User currently offlineSQ325 From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 1451 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 2591 times:



Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 4):
None of that money is going to change any eco matters -it's basically a means to fill empty pockets of state-budgets,increase profits of airport-operators and will increase car-traffic from NL to B and D...

Thats the problem, there is no way i believe one of our politicians!
But the general idea behind this tax is a good one, supporting alternative energies, reducing the addiction to oil s.o.


User currently offlinePlane Holland From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 453 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2460 times:



Quoting SQ325 (Reply 5):
Thats the problem, there is no way i believe one of our politicians!
But the general idea behind this tax is a good one, supporting alternative energies, reducing the addiction to oil s.o.

Contradictory, .., you don't believe in politicians, yet you believe in taxing just to steal from the people.

This tax is the worst tax I've ever seen, it is used for everything but supporting alternatives, cleaner ways of flying, helping the environment etc etc.
And what's wrong with addiction to oil? At some point we run out of it so we have to find alternatives don't we? Taxation might be a way to speed up the process of alternatives but as you can see that's not what is is used for. We're justed taxed and that's that. Wrong that is.

I agree with you on the point that this tax should be wider, worldwide. And then the tax should be given to research to make airtravel cleaner, quieter, whatever's good for the planet. Now it's only the Dutch government stealing from Dutch people to subsidize stupid projects which have nothing to do with saving the planet. As said we're going across the border to save some money and still continue to fly so it doesn't help a bit.


User currently offlineCgnnrw From Germany, joined May 2005, 1150 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2447 times:

Another scam is all it is.

What bothers me the most about these type of taxes is it actually punishes people like me. I don't own a car because where I live the public transportation is simply a better alternative. So although I'm helping save the environment by not driving a car the politicians still found a way to screw me out of my hard earned money.

Well, too be honest I haven't gone through AMS in about 3 years. But knowing this I will look at my options. AMS isn't the only airport offering worldwide destinations.



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26949 posts, RR: 58
Reply 8, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2446 times:



Quoting SQ325 (Reply 2):
This should be a EU wide Tax.

No way its just another way to get money off people. All this Eco crap is really annoying me !!!

Quoting Gilesdavies (Reply 3):
Sounds like the Dutch government have been taking lessons from the UK about these absolute rip-off taxes

Probably will end up in the pockets of the government. Wont go anywhere near the enviromental causes .


User currently offlineFiatstilojtd From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2422 times:



Quoting Plane Holland (Reply 6):
Now it's only the Dutch government stealing from Dutch people

No, not only the dutch people....


User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11645 posts, RR: 60
Reply 10, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2406 times:



Quoting Fiatstilojtd (Reply 9):
No, not only the dutch people....

Yeap, it's really going to hit KLM and AMS hard, a huge percentage of their traffic is connecting and with these new taxes to add on the fare, I can't see passengers being impressed. In the last couple of years I've flown from AMS about 40 times, so if I did so a similar amount in the next two year I would have to pay an extra six or seven hundred Euros for the privilege. No thanks, I'll be flying via FRA or direct with the likes of EZY instead!


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User currently offlineDesertFlyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 515 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2390 times:

Wow, I just flew rt from PHX-DTW-AMS for $530US including all taxes and fees. If these new taxes were on the ticket, I wouldn't have had the money to go. I could see these being reduced if it has a hard hit on traffic and the airlines. It seems a bit steep.

[Edited 2008-01-19 12:40:10]

User currently offlinePlane Holland From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 453 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2385 times:



Quoting Fiatstilojtd (Reply 9):
No, not only the dutch people....

as far as I know this doesn't affect people from outside the Netherlands, transfers.. maybe in the future but not now.

What's funny, for example when I book a ticket Dusseldorf - New York on KLM transfering via AMS the price of the ticket is lower then AMS - NYC and I don't have to pay the extra tax. So making extra miles and paying less. If my government really wanted to make a statement they also should have taxed the transfer passengers, but we all know what would happen then.


User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11645 posts, RR: 60
Reply 13, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2372 times:



Quoting Plane Holland (Reply 12):
as far as I know this doesn't affect people from outside the Netherlands, transfers.. maybe in the future but not now

In that case, disregard what I said in my previous post. I must have mis-read the information.  Smile



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User currently offlineFiatstilojtd From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2356 times:



Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 10):
a huge percentage of their traffic is connecting and with these new taxes to add on the fare

Nope, not for connecting passenger....at least not at the moment.

Quoting Plane Holland (Reply 12):
as far as I know this doesn't affect people from outside the Netherlands

They do not care where you come from...as far as I know as soon as you depart from the Netherlands you pay.

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 13):
In that case, disregard what I said in my previous post. I must have mis-read the information.  Smile

Yup, you have  Smile


User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11645 posts, RR: 60
Reply 15, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2342 times:



Quoting Fiatstilojtd (Reply 14):
Yup, you have

Although it wasn't that clear in the thread starter, perhaps time to get glasses, eh?  Wink

So, say I am flying BRS-AMS-FCO for instance on a single ticket, if I chose to visit the viewing deck between flights, will I have to then pay the departure tax as I go back through immigration?


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User currently offlineFiatstilojtd From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2321 times:



Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 15):
So, say I am flying BRS-AMS-FCO for instance on a single ticket, if I chose to visit the viewing deck between flights, will I have to then pay the departure tax as I go back through immigration?



Quoting Beaucaire (Thread starter):
for all tickets issued worldwide on/after January 16th 2008.

yeah, maybe really time to get glasses  Wink. As in your example you already have the tickets issued before you board the plane in Bristol you do not have to pay this tax, because you are basically on transit.


User currently offlineKL911 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2003, 5131 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2309 times:

Well, At least I didn't vote for this leftwing government. But it's gonna hurt...

Quoting SQ325 (Reply 2):
There are still governments saying the clima changes are just because of the cyclus of nature!!!!!
So every flight overflying the EU should be the Eco tax!
I don' t the need to fly from STN to TFS or so for less than 50€ or 19.99€ for CGN-LIS!

Air travel accounts for 3% of the pollution. If you germans start buying smaller cars and reducing maximum speed to 100 km an hour on the highway we talk again.

Besides that, I probably earn less than you, because I want to fly twice a month at least for nothing. To make up for it I don't have a car and only use trains to and from my work.


User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11645 posts, RR: 60
Reply 18, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2297 times:

Yes, but just before that was this;

Quoting Beaucaire (Thread starter):
The tax applies for every passenger departing from the Netherlands,

Which lead me to think that even transit pax would be included.


Dan Smile



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User currently offlineMOW From Israel, joined Dec 2005, 192 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2295 times:

Some clarification is needed here:

1. All airlines departing NL will have to charge the Ecotax. Not only KL/NW, as mentioned in the thread-starting post.
2. Connection traffic is safe, unless a passengers makes a stopover of more than 24H.
3. The tax is levied only once - on the outbound flight. This means that the maximum tax amount to be paid by NL departing pax is EURO 45 (for a long-haul round trip). Which is, of course, already a lot...


User currently offlineFiatstilojtd From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2285 times:



Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 18):
Yes, but just before that was this;

Quoting Beaucaire (Thread starter):
The tax applies for every passenger departing from the Netherlands,

Which lead me to think that even transit pax would be included.

...but don't you need a ticket before you can depart the Netherlands on Transit with an aircraft  Wink


User currently offlineSevenair From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 1728 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2283 times:

Im not against eco tax - but it should be sensible. Why should an airline flying 1/4 full, 20 year old planes - with much less efficient engines pay the same as an airline flying full, brand new fuel efficient planes - there is just no incentive!

User currently offlineFiatstilojtd From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2272 times:



Quoting Sevenair (Reply 21):
Why should an airline flying 1/4 full, 20 year old planes - with much less efficient engines pay the same as an airline flying full, brand new fuel efficient planes - there is just no incentive!

KLM would be a perfect example for the flaw in this example. They fly brandnew B777 and very old F70/100 at the same time.


User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 23, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2244 times:



Quoting Fiatstilojtd (Reply 22):
very old F70/100 at the same time.

The Fokkers are not that old! Especially the F70's are less than 10-15 years old IIRC.



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User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 24, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2234 times:



Quoting Airbuseric (Reply 1):
Carriers like ThomsonFly (AMS), and Volareweb (MST, RTM) terminated operations to the Netherlands.
Jet2 reduced operations, as well easyJet will reduce on several routes.
Ryanair doesn't start a base at EIN for the moment.

That's what they want to achieve with this tax, less flights to/from the NL. At least, that's what they say the goal is. Less flights to/from the Netherlands = less emissions.

Don't get me wrong. I also think it's a stupid tax.There are worse sources of pollution, like industry, cars and livestock. I don't mind taxes on polluting industries, as long as the proceeds are being used for research for clean(er) fuels, more efficient industry or engines for cars/planes, etc. That would be constructive. But hey, I'm not a politician, so what do I know...  Wink  Silly



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25 Post contains images Fiatstilojtd : Oh, ok than lets just say old Fokkers..... ...which will be replaced by much more fuel efficient Embraer etc. in the next few years.
26 B747-4U3 : And good for them!!! There is still no concrete proof that climate change is mostly human induced (or human induced at all), or what the affects woul
27 Kappel : They're not young, I'll give you that, especially some F100's. And indeed, they are due to be replaced. IMHO, they should give the Honda Jet and C-se
28 Boeing777/747 : If a was a Dutch I wouldn't care. Come to Belgium or fly from Germany, it's just one hour or more driving to reach the airports pf Brussels, Liege, K
29 Owleye : That makes it all soo hypocrit. The EU should stop this strange way of different pricing. People will spent car emissions to travel to an airport abr
30 Post contains images LifelinerOne : Well, all these cases you are mentioning don't have anything to do with these taxes and we all know it. They are maybe using it for excuses, but mayb
31 Post contains images Bwest : SN already announced that their going to advertise more intensively in the Netherlands, and the CEO of Charleroi Airport stated that he was very grate
32 Post contains images Debonair : Well, what about passengers buying a ticket WITHOUT tax?? E.g. ATLAS BLUE is NOT charging 45€ eco-tax! And what will happen to those, who bought th
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