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Future Of Russian Airports And Airlines?  
User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 7844 times:

What will the future of airports and airlines in Russia be like? I expect a massive growth of air travel in Russia due to the massive economic growth the country has (6.4%). I have brought together some information about the current situation in order to see what could happen. This information is not easy to get, so there is no guarantee that everything it correct. I actually expect there to be mistakes, because different sources give different information. So I am thankful if you have corrections.

The main Russian airports:

Moscow Sheremetjevo (SVO)
Runways: 2
Terminals: 3 + 1 under construction
Passengers: 12.2 million (2006)

What will happen to it? It capacity seems limited. It has two runways, but they are very close to each other, so there might be capacity shortages. The international terminal is rather small and the new one under construction does not look to big either.

Moscow Domodedovo (DME)
Runways: 2
Terminals: 2 + 1 under construction
Passengers: 18.8 million (2007), 15.4 million (2006)

Other than SVO, this one has its runways far away from each other, and there seems to be room for expansion. The terminal seems rather small. Is DME going to be THE big Moscow airport in the future?

Moscow Vnukovo (VKO)
Runways: 2 (1 inactive?)
Terminals: 2
Passengers: 5.1 million (2006)

The smallest of the three Moscow airport, the runways can no be used at the same time, one even seems to be closed. Is its future charter, private jets, and cargo?

St.Petersburg Pulkovo (LED)
Runways: 2
Terminals: 2
Passengers: 5.1 million (2006)

Seems to have a very small terminal, but the runways are far apart from each other. The gateway to Europe, or just the airport for a larger city?

Sotchi Adler (AER)
Runways: 2
Terminals: 1
Passengers: 1.4 million (2006)

The runways are touching each other at the end, expansion seems to be limited by the mountains around it. Will be overhauled for the Olympics 2014, by Oleg Deripaska, an oligarch who seems to get along well with Putin and Medvedev. Also the gateway to the "Russian Rivera". Will it play a major role in the future?

Krasnoyarsk Yemelyanovo (KJA)
Runways: 1
Terminals: 1
Passengers: ?

Pretty far outside of the city of Krasnoyarsk, but there seems room for expansion. It also could be used as a hub, routes such as LHR-PEK, SFO-DEL, FRA-ICN, SIN-BOS all fly close by it. Could the hub strategy work?

Major Russian airlines:

Aeroflot (SU)

Hubs: SVO

Important destinations:
LHR, SXF, DXB, LAX, PEK, NRT

Current fleet:

6 x IL-96
2 x IL-86
29 x Tu-154
11 x B767-300
11 x A319
13 x A320
10 x A321

Future fleet:
16 x A320 leased
5 x A321
A330-200 via lease (10?)
18 x A350-800
4 x A350-900
22 x B787-8
30 x Sukhoi Super Jet 100

The narrow-bodies will replace the old Soviet jets on domestic and European destinations. But where are they going to fly all those 787s and A350s? North America, South America, India, China, Australia, Africa, domestic? They are clearly headed for expansion, I am thrilled to see how it will turn out. SU will probably not just be the dominating Russian carrier, but also one of the top international airlines.

S7 Airlines (S7), former Sibir

Hubs: DME, OVB, IKT

Important destinations:
EVN, PEE, LED, AER

Current fleet:
8 x IL-86
7 x A310
28 x Tu-154
16 x A319
2 x B737-400
4 x B737-500

Future Fleet:
29 x A320 (to replace the Tu-154?)
15 x B787-8 (to replace the IL-86 and add capacity)
10 x B737-800
Rumor to get 4 B744s this year
Russia's S7 May Receive 4 B747-400 In 2008 (by Addd Dec 26 2007 in Civil Aviation)

Currently rather a domestic carrier with some international connections. But with their 15 787s, they are clearly heading for expansion. Where will those fly to? North America? India? Australia? (I love their green livery).

Transaero (UN)

Hubs: DME

Destinations:
Many international ones, including TXL, YUL, SYD (?), BCN, SSH, SIN, BKK, SGN, JNB, PVG, and HKG

Current fleet:

6 x B747-200
1 x B747-300
1 x B747-400
3 x B767-200
4 x B767-300
2 x B737-300
5 x B737-400
7 x B737-500
1 x Tu-214

Future fleet:
9 x Tu-214
10 x Sukhoi Super Jet 100
Rumors about B737NG, A32X, A330-200, and more 747s.

They have the biggest planes of all carriers, and also a lot of international destinations. A330-200s could replace the 767s. Potential for A380s? Might be another big international carrier like SU.

AiRUnion
(Domodedovo Airlines, KrasAir, Omskavia, Samara Airlines, and Sibaviatrans)

Five airlines brought together by the Abramovich (Boris and Alexander) brothers, who are not related to the FC Chelsea owner Roman Abramovich.

Hubs: KJA, Omsk, Moscow, Samara

Important destinations:
FRA, HAJ

Current fleet:
(hard to determine because ot the five different carriers that make up AiRUnion)

3 x IL-62
5 x IL-96
10 x Tu-134
13 x Tu-154
1 x Tu-204
1 x Tu-214
5 x Boeing 737-300
4 x Boeing 757-200
4 x Boeing 767-200

Future fleet:

An-148
Sukhoi Super Jet 100
737NG

Wants to get into the star alliance, seems to install a hub at KJA.

Rossiya (FV)
(including Pulkovo)
Homepage is www.pulkovo.ru

Hubs: LED and VKO

Important destinations:
Europe & China

Current fleet:

2 x A319
1 x A320
3 x B737-500
3 x IL-96
2 x Tu-214

Future fleet:

5 x A340-200(?)
AN-148

Hard to determine what is airline and what is state transport. The A340-200 rumor is very interesting.

VIM Airlines (NN)

Hub: VKO

Destinations:
Charter to different places

Fleet:

13 x B757-200

Future fleet:
?

A charter carrier that operates a good dozen 757s. What will they do in the future?

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Which airports will be the most important in the future?

Which carrier will be the dominant one in the future? SU, FV, and AiRUnion have the support of the Kremlin.

Seems that the Soviet planes will be replaced by new Russian or Western models. Good for the environment, sad for spotters.

Who will get the first Russian-registered A380? SU, S7, or UN?

Corrections, comments, opinions, questions are welcome.

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User currently offlineJfk787nyc From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 812 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 7745 times:

No carrier will have the A380.


Aeroflot will always be NUMBER 1 in Russia. They are the face of Russia Internationally. Everyone else will have to compete between themselves.


User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 7571 times:



Quoting Jfk787nyc (Reply 1):
No carrier will have the A380.

Really? Why so sure? There might be enough demand to fill flights to JFK, NRT, PEK, BKK, DXB, or others in the future.

Quoting Jfk787nyc (Reply 1):
Aeroflot will always be NUMBER 1 in Russia. They are the face of Russia Internationally. Everyone else will have to compete between themselves.

Again, why so sure? Transaero and S7 are clearly headed for expansion, they might perform better.


User currently offlineJFK787NYC From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 812 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 7558 times:

AEROFLOT flies empty from JFK-SVO.

Economy class sells for $500

They make money on Business class, But how many business class seats can they sell to Russia.

JFK, Delta dominates the Americans flying this route which is the reason why it charges much more for economy.

NRT, Aeroflot can do it themselves.

DXB to much competition from Transaero, VIM, S7, AIRUNION, URAL and every other airline in the former soviet union.

This route has non-stop from every single big city in Russia.

PEK - Probably makes alot of money for Aeroflot.

BKK- is a route that probably makes alot of money for Transaero and S7.

Transaero & S7 work on poor class people.

Aeroflot which is obviously the money maker in Russia works on the business people. I am in Russia once a month and have traveled extensively with all the carriers.


User currently offlineSeansasLCY From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2007, 857 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 7544 times:

I flew LHR-SVO-PEK-SVO-LHR and every flight had at least 90% loads. Many of the passengers on SVO-LHR were from the Russian Far East and working for oil companies. Business class on every flight was 100%. Its just a shame about SVO, as the service on SU was quite good but the airport is terrible for transfers. I think SU with a good hub could become a major player. When does T3 at SVO open?

User currently offlineNG1Fan From Australia, joined Aug 2007, 446 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 7412 times:

I used to live in Russia for nine years, and traveled regularly on domestic carriers, starting in pre-crisis 1998.

During this time, I've noticed the following trends (disclaimer: purely my subjective opinions!)
-Aeroflot is getting stronger. Big improvement in service.
-Russian flying public is becoming much more demanding. THey will avoid soviet-era aircraft if a western alternative operates a domestic route.
-Russian flying public will prefer Russian carriers for most overseas travel. Especially if there is a language barrier. And you can get away with more (in terms of behaviour) than with non-Russian carriers.
-Charter holiday destinations such as Turkey, Egypt, Canary Islands, Maledives, selected Euro-land destinations are almost exclusively serviced by Russian carriers. Some of them, like Atlant-Soyuz, only operate during the holiday season.
-THe carrier to watch will be Air Union. With Kremlin blessing, they are indeed proceeding nicely and will give SU some much needed competition.

As for Airports, some welcome investment is occuring. Witness the nice new terminal buildings in Krasnodar, Surgut, DME, soon T3 at SVO, and the glass palace at VKO, attacting GermanWings among others. There are many more which I have missed.

Amenities within Airports such as business lounges, eateries and stores are also being built/added for pax convenience.

Not to be forgotten is the boom in VIP aviation, be it on western-made Gulfs or Dassaults, but also on converted YAK-40 YAK-42, Tu-134, the odd Tu-154 also.

I have it on good authority that SU has a list of future destinations the length of your arm that they cannot fly to now due lack of wide-bodies. Not to mention increasing frequencies. As an example I fly often on SU is HKG. They used to have five frequencies, cut back to four since they've decided to deploy one of their 767s elsewhere.

There's probably a whole lot more to add, but suffice to say that the future of Russian aviation is rosy indeed. Russia as an economy is experiencing growth since 2000 of 6-7%, and this is also trickling into disposable incomes of an increasingly cashed-up middle class. Travel still has an allure in Russia. Trains are full, aircraft are full, and finally the infrastructure will get some attention.

NG1Fan

Quoting JFK787NYC (Reply 3):
They make money on Business class, But how many business class seats can they sell to Russia.



Quoting JFK787NYC (Reply 3):
Transaero & S7 work on poor class people.



Quoting JFK787NYC (Reply 3):
Aeroflot which is obviously the money maker in Russia works on the business people. I am in Russia once a month and have traveled extensively with all the carriers.

I think some of those statements miss the mark and somehow reek of a value judgement. If indeed you are in Russia on a monthly basis, let this experience expand your horizons and please take off your USA-centric glasses and appreciate Russia for what it is: a country rapidly changing, being dragged into the 21st century kicking and sceaming. It does not imply that you or I are better than them.

NG1Fan


User currently offlineAddd From United States of America, joined May 2007, 397 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 7283 times:

My two cents on Russian airport traffic in 2007 - from an earlier thread - 2007 - Top 10 Russian Airports (preliminary) (by Addd Jan 21 2008 in Civil Aviation)

The data is compiled based on the information from airports’ websites; estimated numbers are my approximations based on earlier published partial 2007 traffic numbers (numbers in parentheses - growth compared to 2006):

1. Moscow - Domodedovo (DME) – 18.8 million (+22%)
2. Moscow - Sheremetyevo (SVO) – 14.0 million (+10%)
3. Moscow - Vnukovo (VKO) – 6.8 million (+31%)
4. St. Petersburg - Pulkovo (LED) – 6.1 million (+ 18%) - est., official 2007 data not available
5. Ekaterinburg - Koltsovo (SVX) – 2.3 million (+33%) – est., official 2007 data not available
6. Novosibirsk - Tolmachevo (OVB) - 1.9 million (+13%)
7. Sochi – Adler (AER) – 1.5 million (+15%) – est., official 2007 data not available
8. Samara – Kurumoch (KUF) – 1.4 million (+14%)
9. Ufa (UFA) – 1.1 million (???%) - est., official 2007 data not available
10. Irkutsk (IKT) – 1.0 million (+14%)

A few observations:

- Moscow airports continue to dominate both domestic and international traffic – driven by both disproportionate concentration of both domestic and international business traffic in Moscow (legacy of the centralized economy) as well as the fact that Moscow airports are still the only bona fide transfer hubs in the country (with one emerging exception – see below)
- DME has strengthened its position as the country’s largest airport due mostly to fast growth in international traffic (up 27% in DME in 2007). It will be interesting to see rivalry between DME and SVO enter the new phase in 2008, as SVO opens the brand new Terminal A (to be used by Aeroflot and all its SkyTeam partners) and DME sees LH moving all its Moscow flights from SVO
- SVX (Ekaterinburg-Koltsovo) is emerging as the only true regional hub outside of Moscow. The airport (at least, the terminals) has been pretty much re-built anew in the last 2-3 years with new international terminal opening in 2006, and the new domestic one – in October 2007; the growth rate speaks for itself. The list of international carriers flying to SVX now includes BD, SU, OS, LH, TK, OK and MA.


User currently offlineJFK787NYC From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 812 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 7259 times:



Quoting NG1Fan (Reply 5):

I think some of those statements miss the mark and somehow reek of a value judgement. If indeed you are in Russia on a monthly basis, let this experience expand your horizons and please take off your USA-centric glasses and appreciate Russia for what it is: a country rapidly changing, being dragged into the 21st century kicking and sceaming. It does not imply that you or I are better than them.

I am Russian Living in New York not the other way around. People with money in Russia do not travel on S7 Airlines, VIM, or any other crappy airline.

They travel on AEROFLOT and TRANSAERO. AirUnion is an airline from the East. Krasnoyarsk there operation in DME is nothing compared to Transaero or S7. S7 The Russian Government holds a 25.5% stake, THEY ARE NOT HELPING.
AirUnion is not owned in anyway by the actual government of Russia. But the City of Krasnoyarsk owns a piece.

TRANSAERO is the only airline in Russia with no actual direct ownership by any government


User currently offlineORDagent From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 823 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 7236 times:



Quoting JFK787NYC (Reply 3):
Transaero & S7 work on poor class people.



Quoting JFK787NYC (Reply 7):
People with money in Russia do not travel on S7 Airlines, VIM, or any other crappy airline.

That sounds like the anti WN / Skybus arguement in the U.S. and more than a little snooty. I do know that there are HUGE gaps between the wealthy and poor with a small but growing middle class. I'm sure that people go from one airline to another based on price. If not now in time air travel will become a commodity in Russa/CIS as the industry gets more and more competative.

Persoanlly I've been on board a RO IL-62 and SU IL-86 but only while parked at ORD. I would have loved to experience them.


User currently offlineAddd From United States of America, joined May 2007, 397 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 7207 times:



Quoting ORDagent (Reply 8):
Quoting JFK787NYC (Reply 7):
People with money in Russia do not travel on S7 Airlines, VIM, or any other crappy airline.

That sounds like the anti WN / Skybus arguement in the U.S. and more than a little snooty.

You said it, ORDagent!

To be honest, I am not a big fan of Transaero and still consider them somewhat of a second-rate airline which does not quite know what it wants to be - a world-class full-service network carrier or a semi-charter airline cramming 500 people in "cattle class'" into ageing B744s for package tour flights to Antalya... but I may be biased, too. IMO, there is no denying though that Sibir/S7 has made tremendous progress in the last few years and is VERY fast emerging as a strong competitor to SU. They are investing in their fleet and customer service, have very clear (and very BRIGHT Smile) brand identity (future separation of mainline operations from leisure charters /which are to be re-branded as Globus/ is to me a clear evidence that they understand a thing or two about branding) and have a very healthy mix of international and domestic routes many of which they dominate... expansion of OVB in the next 3-4 years can do wonders for them if they decide to develop a full-blown hub there.


User currently offlineORDagent From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 823 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 7177 times:



Quoting Addd (Reply 9):
You said it, ORDagent!

You're welcome. Trust me I avoid certain airlines and airports but when push comes to shove I'll fly WN / F9 / FL. Besides the service is often better than the majors. I don't consider myself better than the unwashed masses when I fly B6 or LH etc. Cost is the final deal breaker for me and most people not traveling on an a company expense account.

Back to Russia. I'm not sure how much price controls the government has over fares. The best thing that can happen for service is privatising the airlines. I remember as a kid in the '70s when LH was government owned and the service trully sucked as the employees were basically civil servents withing the government.


User currently offlineAddd From United States of America, joined May 2007, 397 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 7167 times:



Quoting ORDagent (Reply 10):
Trust me I avoid certain airlines and airports but when push comes to shove I'll fly WN / F9 / FL

The whole "unwashed masses" argument is not, IMO, even applicable to WN - as a business traveler in an industry that is typically NOT very price sesnsitive when it comes to air travel, I often pick WN on certain routes because, unlike with so called "majors", I will a) fly a "real" plane and not a crammed 2+1 'jungle jet', and b) WN people generally do not have that bloody union mentality and are not afraid to actually do the work they are paid to do - in an inclement weather, flight delay situations, etc. you can always rely on WN crews to do their best to actually get you there while the "majors"' crews will look for every excuse in their little union red book NOT to fly...

Quoting ORDagent (Reply 10):
I'm not sure how much price controls the government has over fares. The best thing that can happen for service is privatising the airlines

The short answer is - none. ALL major airlines in Russia are private (although the federal government still owns a significant stake in SU), and pricing is entirely market-based.


User currently offlineTKfan From Turkey, joined Oct 2007, 659 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 7161 times:



Quoting Thorben (Thread starter):

NIce thread, interesting to read!

one question, isnt there a fourth civil Airport??? Bukovo?? or is it just a military base?


User currently offlineAddd From United States of America, joined May 2007, 397 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 7145 times:



Quoting TKfan (Reply 12):
isnt there a fourth civil Airport??? Bukovo?? or is it just a military base?

Bykovo (BKA/UUBB) used to be a short- to medium- haul civil airport serving Moscow, but currently sees only a trickle of cargo traffic and an occasional charter flight... AFAIK, there is no scheduled passenger service out of BKA at the moment (or in a foreseeable future); I do not think it is use as a military base, either.

See links below:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bykovo_Airport


User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (6 years 7 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 7006 times:

Allright every one, thanks for comments, this thread has been really good so far.

Here the latest news, according to the reliable German magazine Aero:

AiRUnion is in talks with CIT to get 6 787-8 by 2013 (before SU and S7). In addition, AiRUnion will get two more B767-300 from Royal Brunei.

Transaero is getting one ex-Varig B777-200 and ten B737-500 from CO, one of them already in service.

S7 is really getting those 4 B747-400, previous operator not known yet, will be used on charter flights. So, does this mean they'll fly them only to holiday destinations in Turkey, Greece, Croatia, and Spain, like Transaero does?

Quoting JFK787NYC (Reply 3):
DXB to much competition from Transaero, VIM, S7, AIRUNION, URAL and every other airline in the former soviet union.

Indeed, it is interesting how many Ilyushins and Tupolevs one can still see there. Why is there so much traffic to DXB from Russia?

Quoting NG1Fan (Reply 5):

I agree with you, the future for aviation in Russia is bright. In the past, service was bad, like in all communist countries, where you have to be thankful if you are allowed to buy something. But things change, and there is foreign competition, so service standards will be a Western level sooner or later. Pax will base their choice on price, availability, and service. Carriers can not afford bad service any more.

Quoting Addd (Reply 6):

Thanks for the figures. The growth is really amazing. Thanks for bringing the attention to SVX. It has good connections to Europe, but I fear it will be a O&D destination in the future, not a hub. Despite the third runway under construction. Where does PEE stand? It caught my attention when LH started flying there.

Quoting JFK787NYC (Reply 7):
TRANSAERO is the only airline in Russia with no actual direct ownership by any government

Interesting to know. On January 14t there were three of their aircraft - including two 747s - damaged in "accidents" at DME. Could there be a connection?

Quoting ORDagent (Reply 8):
That sounds like the anti WN / Skybus arguement in the U.S. and more than a little snooty. I do know that there are HUGE gaps between the wealthy and poor with a small but growing middle class. I'm sure that people go from one airline to another based on price. If not now in time air travel will become a commodity in Russa/CIS as the industry gets more and more competative.

Indeed, a growing middle class will fly and they want low prices and a certain level of service.

Quoting Addd (Reply 9):
They are investing in their fleet and customer service, have very clear (and very BRIGHT ) brand identity (future separation of mainline operations from leisure charters /which are to be re-branded as Globus/ is to me a clear evidence that they understand a thing or two about branding) and have a very healthy mix of international and domestic routes many of which they dominate... expansion of OVB in the next 3-4 years can do wonders for them if they decide to develop a full-blown hub there.

S7 will call its charter flights "Globus"? What about the green livery? I want to see the 744s in that.

Quoting Addd (Reply 13):

The German Wikipedia says it has 100,000 pax per year, about 30 daily flights with the likes of Yak-42 to destinations like the Crimea, Kursk, Odessa, Smolensk, Pskov, and Novgorod. So not really a competitor to the three big Moscow airport, just a little domestic birdnest.

Quoting SeansasLCY (Reply 4):
When does T3 at SVO open?

This year, I believe.


User currently offlineJfk787nyc From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 812 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (6 years 7 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 6919 times:



Quoting Addd (Reply 11):
I'm not sure how much price controls the government has over fares. The best thing that can happen for service is privatising the airlines

The short answer is - none. ALL major airlines in Russia are private (although the federal government still owns a significant stake in SU), and pricing is entirely market-based.

Aeroflot - The face of Russia and the Soviet Union for the past 75 Years is owned directly by the government of the Russian Federation and is considered the ONLY elite airline of Russia. They make loads of money and all the money that carriers pay to the Russian Federation for flying over there territory goes directly into Aeroflot's bank account.
They are RICH and have nothing to worry about. They are planning one of the biggest airline expansion's in the world outside of the middle east. Business People in Russia travel AEROFLOT and that is it out of the Russian carriers. No one can match there service and no one will be able to compete with them. Mr. Lebedev was very mad with the Russian government after S7 purchased the 787. As soon as he got pissed off you seen exactly what happened. Mr. Lebdev owns 30% of Aeroflot and is one of the Russian Oilgarch, But he is also very present in the government and he is a member of the Duma.

That is complete nonsense. 25.5% of S7 Airlines is owned directly by the government of the Russian Federation.
The Russian Federation tried to privatize the 25.5% stake in S7 to a company currently not connected to S7, They could not get the money they were asking. Originally, The Russian government offered Aeroflot to purchase the stake but they declined. After, there was a lot of discussion to just give the stake to Aeroflot. I flew S7 airlines in December and there service was horrible like a coach bus. They are the closest thing to a budget airline you can find. There planes are painted very nice but the inside of the plane is dirty old and rotten looking. I am hoping when they get there new fleet of A320's the service will be much better. You also must remember that airlines in the Russian federation were established with no debt. They were making money on very profitable routes with airplanes that they purchased for pennies on the dollar. My family was personally offered in 1993 a TU154M for $500'000 and that was considered very expensive.

Since the collapse of the Soviet Union the Siberia & even S7 has been the airline with the most accident's and problems with there planes.

AirUnion is owned 45.5% directly by the Russian Federation, KrasAir the largest of the carriers that make up AirUnion Alliance is 51% owned by the city of Krasnoyarsk. Air Union is a partnership of five airlines in the Russian Federation.
Air Union I see in the next couple of years will be expanding very fast. They have become the Russian Federation's second most important airline after they purchased Malev. They are the only airline to have an actual foothold outside of the Former Soviet Union and this is very important to Russia and Mr. Putin himself. I see Malev expanding into the Former Soviet Union and across Europe very fast. Malev is a very important asset to Russia.

Rossiya is owned 75% by the Russian Federation and I also see it growing very fast as they do are basically the only carrier that has a Hub in St.Petersburg.

TRANSAERO- was established in the SOVIET UNION not Russia. They are 100% Private owned by a group of Former Soviets (Russians) from Israel & London. They have a lot of very exclusive flights that no one else in Russia can actually operate. There bread & butter routes are DME-TLV Double daily 767 & 747s. They are also planning on flying SVO-TLV once daily & LED-TLV once daily in the near future. They also hold EXCLUSIVE rights to DME-Almaty & DME-Astana both destinations in Kazakhstan. No other Russian carrier can fly these routes and they are VERY profitable. Almaty receives double daily one 737, one 767. Astana receives one daily 737 both exclusive routes are contracted that only one Russian Airline can fly Moscow-TLV and one Israeli Airline can fly TLV-Moscow, & One Russian Airline can fly to Almaty & Astana and one Kazakhstan airline can fly to Moscow.

Aeroflot would love to have the route authority to fly to Kazakhstan. But, obviously they don't. It is also very sad that Aeroflot does not fly to Israel. Both Israel & Kazakhstan are very lucrative routes in Russia.

S7 flies to Israel but from Chelyabinsk & Novosibirsk
Aeroflot-Don flies to Israel from Rostov-On-Don- Aeroflot Don is considered a separate company from Aeroflot all together.
KD Avia- Flies from Kaliningrad
Rossiya flies from St.Petersburg
Ural flies from Chelyabinsk

Moscow-Tel Aviv is one of the busiest routes in Russia seeing at least Five times daily flights.

No other airline in Russia can even be considered on the list these are the four biggest

Also, I am counting for Sochi to become a very big Airline hub soon.


User currently offlineSlavboro From Russia, joined Apr 2007, 2 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 7 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 6855 times:

SVX, in my opinion, is the most hopeful airport in Russia (after Moscow's big "Trinity" and LED) and not only like O&D point, but as a hub also. A population in the 1000 km (600 nm) radius area is more then 40 million people with a dozen small regional airports and couple big one - KZN and KUF. PEE is growing fast but it doomed to be regional airport even though LH has a service in this city (as well as KUF and KZN). The second factor that makes SVX a bright future is its locations. I think it is the most distant point in the Russia that can be reached by narrow body jets from East and West Europe. (SVX) has about 25 weekly westbound frequencies (LHR with BA, PRG with OK and Ural Airlines, FRA with LH and Ural Airlines also, BUD with MA and VIE with OA) so far. The next points to the East Russia OVB and KJA are beyond the range 32X/73X but has no perspectives for widebody service due to lack of demand. So SVX plays pretty significant role in transferring pax from adjacent oil regions of Russia who want to avoid overcrowded SVO or DME and, I supposed, would can be transfer point for eastbound flights (PEK) and southbound (Central Asia, like TSE, ALY and so on). And the third factor is the economic growth in this region it's strong .

[Edited 2008-01-27 01:01:36]

User currently offlineNA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10699 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (6 years 7 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 6685 times:



Quoting Thorben (Thread starter):
Transaero (UN)

Hubs: DME

Destinations:
Many international ones, including TXL, YUL, SYD (?), BCN, SSH, SIN, BKK, SGN, JNB, PVG, and HKG

Current fleet:

6 x B747-200
1 x B747-300
1 x B747-400
3 x B767-200
4 x B767-300
2 x B737-300
5 x B737-400
7 x B737-500
1 x Tu-214

Future fleet:
9 x Tu-214
10 x Sukhoi Super Jet 100
Rumors about B737NG, A32X, A330-200, and more 747s.

As much as I know they´ll get all ex-SAA 744s powered by RR (3 or 4 aircraft). They were rumoured to get more JAL 743s but maybe the SAA 744 deal changed that. The 742s have many hours on the clock (all are past 100.000, in most cases the barrier after which 747-pax-aircraft are etired)


User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (6 years 7 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 6670 times:



Quoting Jfk787nyc (Reply 15):
Aeroflot - The face of Russia and the Soviet Union for the past 75 Years is owned directly by the government of the Russian Federation and is considered the ONLY elite airline of Russia. They make loads of money and all the money that carriers pay to the Russian Federation for flying over there territory goes directly into Aeroflot's bank account.
They are RICH and have nothing to worry about. They are planning one of the biggest airline expansion's in the world outside of the middle east. Business People in Russia travel AEROFLOT and that is it out of the Russian carriers. No one can match there service and no one will be able to compete with them. Mr. Lebedev was very mad with the Russian government after S7 purchased the 787. As soon as he got pissed off you seen exactly what happened. Mr. Lebdev owns 30% of Aeroflot and is one of the Russian Oilgarch, But he is also very present in the government and he is a member of the Duma.

Maybe the government wants some competition. Why leave it all to a monopolist SU?

Quoting Jfk787nyc (Reply 15):
I flew S7 airlines in December and there service was horrible like a coach bus. They are the closest thing to a budget airline you can find. There planes are painted very nice but the inside of the plane is dirty old and rotten looking. I am hoping when they get there new fleet of A320's the service will be much better.

Probably, because new A320s and new B787s should be at a standard where they can compete internationally. What plane did you fly? A310? Tu-154? They are old and used, so they probably do not have the motivation to invest too much into them.

Quoting Jfk787nyc (Reply 15):
Since the collapse of the Soviet Union the Siberia & even S7 has been the airline with the most accident's and problems with there planes.

Including one hit by a naval missile and a terrorist suicide bomb. Don't forget what happened to the SU A310 in 1994.

Quoting Jfk787nyc (Reply 15):
AirUnion is owned 45.5% directly by the Russian Federation, KrasAir the largest of the carriers that make up AirUnion Alliance is 51% owned by the city of Krasnoyarsk. Air Union is a partnership of five airlines in the Russian Federation.
Air Union I see in the next couple of years will be expanding very fast. They have become the Russian Federation's second most important airline after they purchased Malev. They are the only airline to have an actual foothold outside of the Former Soviet Union and this is very important to Russia and Mr. Putin himself. I see Malev expanding into the Former Soviet Union and across Europe very fast. Malev is a very important asset to Russia.

So do you think they'll redirect traffic from Russia to Western Europe through BUD on a lot of routes? It might actually be too far in the south for that.

Quoting Jfk787nyc (Reply 15):
Rossiya is owned 75% by the Russian Federation and I also see it growing very fast as they do are basically the only carrier that has a Hub in St.Petersburg.

Which has a good home market and could be the ideal gateway from Siberia to the West. KJA-LED-CDG/MAD is almost the same route as KJA-CDG/MAD.

Quoting Jfk787nyc (Reply 15):
TRANSAERO- was established in the SOVIET UNION not Russia. They are 100% Private owned by a group of Former Soviets (Russians) from Israel & London. They have a lot of very exclusive flights that no one else in Russia can actually operate. There bread & butter routes are DME-TLV Double daily 767 & 747s. They are also planning on flying SVO-TLV once daily & LED-TLV once daily in the near future. They also hold EXCLUSIVE rights to DME-Almaty & DME-Astana both destinations in Kazakhstan. No other Russian carrier can fly these routes and they are VERY profitable. Almaty receives double daily one 737, one 767. Astana receives one daily 737 both exclusive routes are contracted that only one Russian Airline can fly Moscow-TLV and one Israeli Airline can fly TLV-Moscow, & One Russian Airline can fly to Almaty & Astana and one Kazakhstan airline can fly to Moscow.

So that is were they are filling their 747s. Their first class seats are interesting:


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Will operate A330s and T7s in the future. Does anyone know how good their service standard is?

Quoting Jfk787nyc (Reply 15):
Also, I am counting for Sochi to become a very big Airline hub soon.

But were is the room for expansion at that airport? Maybe they'll build a new one "off-shore".

Quoting Slavboro (Reply 16):

Very interesting insight, I'll add SVX to my watch-list.


User currently offlineLXM83 From Switzerland, joined May 2005, 610 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (6 years 7 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 6597 times:

I have travelled in Russia a couple of times recently and I have been on Russian airlines 21 times, almost all flights (except Aeroflot) were in 2007. My personal ranking in terms of quality (booking, friendliness, comfort, in-flight product) is the following:

1. S7 Airlines - consistent and innovative product, however A319 has tight seating, best pre-flight customer service (have flown 2x A319 and 5x Tu-154).

2. Transaero - nice in-flight service (nice catering and amenity kit in Y) but cabins looking looking old in tired (flown 2x B737-500).

3. Rossiya - inconsitent product due to merger Pulkovo/Rossiya, B737-500 cabins worn but very friendly crews (flown 2x B737-500, 1x Tu-154, 1x Tu-134).

4. Aeroflot - service consistently unfriendly and impersonal, food presentation bad, tight seating (flown 2x Il-86 and 2x Tu-154), service may have improved since I flew them (2003). Handicapped by crappy SVO airport.

6. Interavia - old and worn airplanes, friendly cabin crews, nice meals (flown 1x Tu-154 operated by Avialinii Dagestana).

5. Kras Air - old fashioned airline, cabin in terrible condition (some seats missing, tray tables missing or damaged, armrests damaged, dirty), service ok (flown 1x B737-300).

I like that you still get hot meals on most flights I took to and within Russia.


User currently offlineNA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10699 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (6 years 7 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 6589 times:



Quoting Thorben (Reply 18):
So that is were they are filling their 747s. Their first class seats are interesting:

Thats the SAA First Class I once travelled in. Seems only the seat fabric has been changed. The seat itself with its maple walnut look surfaces are pure SAA.


User currently offlineORDagent From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 823 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (6 years 7 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 6436 times:



Quoting Addd (Reply 11):
WN people generally do not have that bloody union mentality

Actually WN is one of the most unionized airlines on the planet. It isn't about the fact that they have a very unionized work force. It's that they have good labor relations in general.


Back on topic it looks like SU have improved by leaps and bounds from the Soviet era. The fact that the Russian government has its fingers in virtually every part of the civil aviation industry is just an example of the corruption of the Russian economy. Hopefully with time as the economy matures it will become more transparent.


User currently offlineAddd From United States of America, joined May 2007, 397 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 6234 times:

Just a quick update - here is how Top 10 airport list for 2007 looks like based on the most recent data:


1. Moscow - Domodedovo (DME) – 18.8 million (+22%)
2. Moscow - Sheremetyevo (SVO) – 14.0 million (+10%)
3. Moscow - Vnukovo (VKO) – 6.8 million (+31%)
4. St. Petersburg - Pulkovo (LED) – 6.1 million (+ 20%)
5. Yekaterinburg - Koltsovo (SVX) – 2.3 million (+33%)
6. Novosibirsk - Tolmachevo (OVB) - 1.9 million (+13%)
7. Sochi – Adler (AER) – 1.7 million (+12%) – est., official 2007 data not available
8. Samara – Kurumoch (KUF) – 1.4 million (+14%)
9. Krasnodar (KRR) – 1,2 million (???) - est., official 2007 data not available
10. Ufa (UFA) – 1.2 million (15%)


User currently offlineJFK787NYC From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 812 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 6166 times:



Quoting LXM83 (Reply 19):
4. Aeroflot - service consistently unfriendly and impersonal, food presentation bad, tight seating (flown 2x Il-86 and 2x Tu-154), service may have improved since I flew them (2003). Handicapped by crappy SVO airport.

I do not know what routes you have flown with Aeroflot.

IL86 is totally gone,
Aeroflot - Tu-154 - Refurbished and and out of all the Russian airlines they have the safest and most maintained planes in all of Russia. They will most likely be retired very soon be ready to see them taken up by smaller airlines from the east.

You must remember that Aeroflot got these airplanes for free. They have 28 of them. They will receive top dollar for these planes from either the Middle East or Eastern Russia.

Most likely they will receive some where in the range of 6-7 Million Dollars per plane. Thats close to 182 Million dollars of liquid cash that they never had to finance.

These are just some of the reasons why I say all Russian airlines are profitable, they only started to be Debt Financed operations in the past Five years.

The big airlines in Russia that we see today were made up of planes that were left behind after the collapse of the Soviet Union, People like Boris Abramovich of KrasAir struck deals with city government's for .2 Cents on the dollar.

My father in 1992 was offered in Chelyabinsk a 1987 built Tu154 for $50'000 dollars. Some people were scared and some people were not.


User currently offlineLXM83 From Switzerland, joined May 2005, 610 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 6085 times:



Quoting JFK787NYC (Reply 23):
I do not know what routes you have flown with Aeroflot.

Hi JFK787NYC!

Flew PRG-SVO-PRG on the Tu-154 and SVO-OVB-SVO on the Il-86. The Il-86 flight was great because it was the first time I flew this interesting aicraft type!
As I said, service may have improved since I took SU in 2003. I will fly a CDG-SVO-CDG on SU on an A320 next week and I will be able to experience SU's current product. Looking forward to it!


25 JFK787NYC : Oh you are going to be impressed 100%, I personally see in the next couple of years big news from Aeroflot.
26 Alessandro : LXM83, I agree, Aeroflot are good at flying, everything else sukks big time, especially their luggage department.
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