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Air Europe (UK) - Anyone Remember Them?  
User currently offlineGilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 3032 posts, RR: 2
Posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 6594 times:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Europe

I just read a very interesting section on Wikipedia about Air Europe (the charter airlines that ceased trading in 1991), I have to give praise to the detail of the article...

For example it covers how Air Europe was not just a charter airline, but also flew to 20 European cities as scheduled service, how they were the first charter airline to operate the 757 with ETOPs across the Atlantic to Florida, Mexico and South America(!) and how they were LGW's largest airline in the late 80's. All stuff I never knew...

They also operated a very modern fleet for its time and seemed to do what Ryanair do now, only keeping aircraft in the fleet for a few years to sell on... Flying 752, 732, 733, 734, F100 and Shorts 360's.

I never had the opportunity of flying on Air Europe, but I remember back in the days of the 80's going on holiday with my parents seeing all those Air Europe tails parked up and seemed to dominate LGW. My parents were loyal Thomson holiday customers so only ever seemed to fly Britannia as a kid!

If their parent company had not gone into liquidation, I wonder what they would be like now?

[Edited 2008-01-20 07:35:48]

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User currently offline747438 From UK - England, joined Jan 2007, 838 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 6512 times:

Yes, I remember Air Europe well. A common sight at LGW back in the day.
I on flew their first 757 LGW-BOH-LGW. (I believe it was the first 757 to fly for a UK airline, although I may be wrong).
I remember doing a slow fly past at BOH and then pulling up to do a circuit and land. We all got off via the stairs and spent an hour or so wandering around the apron before re-boarding for the return to LGW.
A great day.


User currently offlinePelican22 From Ireland, joined Mar 2006, 65 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 6447 times:

Yes a very good forward thinking airline,it was them who introduced long haul holidays to Florida on 757s,which brought about a significant reduction in the prices,they also had 6 MD-11s on order, to be powered by Rolls Royce engines.

[Edited 2008-01-20 09:41:51]

User currently offlineJetranger01 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2007, 24 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 6433 times:

I remember Air europe. It was my very first flight back in the very early 90's just before they disappeared. I was very nervous but the cabin crew were all very nice and helpful, it was before i got intrested in spotting, but it was a flight out to malta on a 737-200(remember seeing the small engines compaired to others) The return flight was cancelled and we came back on a dan air 727, what a joy it was

Jetranger01


User currently offlineGpbcroppers63 From Ireland, joined Jan 2008, 520 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 6434 times:

I remember them as well. We flew with them every year when I was a child until they liquidated. We were actually booked to fly with them to PMI in May of the year that they liquidated but they were out of business by then. We ended up on an Airtours holiday to Mallorca instead but I was gutted to find out we wouldn't be flying with Airtours International on their MD-83's as advertised in the brochure, but with the Spanish charter airline NortJet (anyone remember them?). When we flew out, it turned out to be a Meridiana MD-83 (which seemed such a long aircraft to me at the time) but we flew back with NortJet on a 737 (can't remember what series) and the landing back in CWL was one of the hardest I have ever had. Still remember that to this day. Sorry if I waffled on there. The basic point of the post was yes, I do remember Air Europe and enjoyed all my flights with them as a child. Shame they're not still around.


According to one of my colleagues, my problem is that I'm addicted to travel!
User currently offlineAntonovman From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 720 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 6412 times:

They were indeed a good airline but like all airlines they could not make it as a schedule service carrier based at LGW
BCal , Dan-Air , Air Europe and others all tried and failed.
It seems LGW has always been a charter airport
As Pelican22 wrote, they did indeed have MD11's on order with RR engines
It has been written here, if the deal had gone through they would probably be the only MD11's in existance with RR engines and could have proved very difficult to sell on


User currently offlineJetranger01 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2007, 24 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 6405 times:

I never knew they ordered the MD 11, now that would of been nice to see  Smile

User currently offlineBy738 From Tonga, joined Sep 2000, 2334 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 6326 times:

Orion737 will go giddy at this topic.
They also interestingly leased a 747-200 ( from Tower air I think) to operate to Florida from MAN and LGW


User currently offlineZuluTime From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 169 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 6301 times:



Quoting By738 (Reply 7):
They also interestingly leased a 747-200 ( from Tower air I think)

I think it was a 747-100 actually. N602FF - affectionately known to everyone who had to deal with the awful thing as Fat Freddie. Flew UK-Florida services with 524 seats on the days when it worked.


User currently offlineEGNR From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 511 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 6265 times:



Quoting Jetranger01 (Reply 6):
I never knew they ordered the MD 11, now that would of been nice to see



"British charter ailine Air Europe flew short haul charter services to Europe before expanding into the long haul market in 1988. It ordered 2 GE powered MD11's to be leased from Mutsui of Japan in November 1988 for delivery May 1990. Con nos. 48411 and 48412 were allocated and registrations G-MDII and G-OLAN were reserved. In February 1989 6 firm + 12 options were also ordered. These were to be the first Rolls Royce RB211 powered MD11's. Con nos. 48506-48511 were allocated. Unfortunately, Air Europe abruptly ceased operations in March 1991 after its parent company International Leisure Group collapsed. The order was cancelled except for the 2 leased aircraft which Delta then took to start MD11 operations early."
Courtesy of: md-eleven.net



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User currently offlineOrion737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 6257 times:

Oh now your talking. A charter airline, par excellence and just like Dan Air an airline that managed with some success to make the switch to scheduled services as well.

Sadly we never got to see the MD11 in AE service and it fetches a tear to the eye to think what might have been.#

i remember the days when they started with just the then brand new fleet of 732s and what a good little charter airline they were.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27029 posts, RR: 58
Reply 11, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 6238 times:

I remember them with affection. My Aunt used to be a Stewardess with them. Their uniform was a wine colour with a flat round cap . She once brought me home a meal tray for dinner when I was staying with them LOL.... I had a model but lost it . They were a good airline even though I never flew with them I knew alot due to my Aunts job based at LGW. She left before they went down though. Wernt they linked to Intersun Tour operator???

User currently offlineOrion737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 6227 times:

Yes they were linked to Intasun and the ILG group and flew the majority of their packages, also other ILg tour ops including Lancaster. Intasun also made good use of Dan Air too despite having their own in house carrier.

User currently offlineGilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 3032 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 6208 times:



Quoting OA260 (Reply 11):
Wernt they linked to Intersun Tour operator?

Yes they indeed were... I think they also owned Lancaster and Enterprise holidays, so was the in-house airline for all three. All the holiday companies were the result of merger...

Its not just in the last few years consolidation in the package holiday industry has taken place!

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Its a travisty we never got any UK registered MD-11's they look awesome. They would probably still be flying now if the airline still existed...

There's something about UK airlines ordering the MD-11 and the airlines disapearing before the planes can be delivered...


User currently offlineOrion737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 6208 times:

Not Enterprise, they were under Owners abroad group not ILg and they used AMM in later years. Lancaster was an ILG brand though and used AE

User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27029 posts, RR: 58
Reply 15, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 6201 times:

I remember the Shorts 360's and flights to CDG and BRU. My Aunt often did those routes. I was so jealous of how lucky she was to fly all the time. I was around 10-11 when she worked for them.

User currently offlineOrion737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 6199 times:

Yes the S360s were operated as Air Europe Express.

User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27029 posts, RR: 58
Reply 17, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 6181 times:

Some images I found :::

http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w269/dellas1000/ae1.jpg

http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w269/dellas1000/ae2.jpg





It really has brought back some good memories....


User currently offlineOrion737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 6164 times:

Yeah me too 'It was nice to fly with friends' wasnt it!!??

User currently offlineBY738 From Tonga, joined Sep 2000, 2334 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 6121 times:

That picture of the AE 767 was not Air Europe UK but the Italian Airline with EI- registered 767's- this one obviosuly leased out.

User currently offlineEgmcman From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 898 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 6095 times:

Yes, I remember them we flew LGW - FAO with them in 737-200's. It must have been 1984. I know it was our first flight from LGW.

User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27029 posts, RR: 58
Reply 21, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 6071 times:



Quoting Orion737 (Reply 18):
Yeah me too 'It was nice to fly with friends' wasnt it!!??

Haha I had forgotten that slogan !!! My first bag of airline peanuts were from AE!!! Again courtesy of my Aunt lol....


User currently offlineMhodgson From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2002, 5047 posts, RR: 25
Reply 22, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 6036 times:



Quoting 747438 (Reply 1):
(I believe it was the first 757 to fly for a UK airline, although I may be wrong)

Indeed - BA was first; in fact they were launch customer.

Out of interest was this incarnation of Air Europe any relation?

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User currently offlineBY738 From Tonga, joined Sep 2000, 2334 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 6016 times:



Quoting Mhodgson (Reply 22):
Out of interest was this incarnation of Air Europe any relation?

Yes the same carrier who operated the 767s mentioned in my previous post. Initally known as Air Europe Italy ( as part of Arlines of Europe- AIr Europe Norway, Air Europa(Spain), and Air Europe Italy.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25457 posts, RR: 22
Reply 24, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 6008 times:



Quoting Mhodgson (Reply 22):
Quoting 747438 (Reply 1):
(I believe it was the first 757 to fly for a UK airline, although I may be wrong)

Indeed - BA was first; in fact they were launch customer.

BA was ONE of the launch customers for the 757. Eastern was the other, and the first operator. Eastern put their first 757 into service on January 1, 1982, almost a month before BA took delivery of their first 757.


25 FlyCaledonian : Air Europe took two of BA's original 757s from its order of 19. As such all subsequent 757s ordered by Air Europe were 757-236s as this was the type r
26 Post contains links and images EGNR : Has Air Italy 'borrowed' that slogan now? View Large View MediumPhoto © Kevin Gutt
27 Post contains images VV701 : not quite. As others have said British Airways together with Delta were the launch airlines for the 757. I believe that these two airlines placed the
28 EGNR : Correction - BA and Eastern. Delta uses the PW engines on their birds.
29 Gilesdavies : Don't forget Monarch was a launch customer for the 757 too and they still have some of the originals in their fleet, but will be on there way out by t
30 VV701 : I believe Monarch were the fourth airline to place a 757 order. But the date of their order was 19 February 1981 while BA and Eastern had placed thei
31 Post contains images BBADXB : One of my earliest memories of aircraft includes an Air Europe 737 parked at MLA, alongside a Condor plane. My cousin was travelling to London and I w
32 Post contains images PM : They were going to be Trent 600s. Such a shame it never happened. My 50th ever flight was on an AE 737-400 in 1989: AE104 LGW-ZRH on G-BPKB. I rememb
33 Post contains images Diesel1 : Good thread. I've good memories of Air Europe as they were a major operator at Cardiff. They were also a good source of subcharters too, so in place o
34 MYT321 : Late 70s/early 80s family holiday to the Med. Flew on British Airtours 732 with hybrid KT/AE livery. There's a pic in an earlier post.
35 ZuluTime : The original Air Europe 737-200s (BMSM, BMOR, BMEC, BMHG) all went quite early on - around 1985 I think - but two 737-200s soldiered on for quite som
36 Post contains links and images VV701 : DDDV was another aircraft that saw service with BA while owned by Air Europe. And it also saw service with British Airtours on a couple of occasions
37 BCAL : Air Europe was set up by the ILG in the very late 70s as a charter airline flying from LGW. ILG owned several tour operating companies including Intas
38 BBADXB : They had an operation of a very respectable size. Good to learn about good old Air Europe.
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