Ktachiya From Japan, joined Sep 2004, 1763 posts, RR: 2 Reply 6, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 5049 times:
Its outsourcing to HAECO. A couple of years ago, I started a thread when Delta stopped sending their B767-300ER to YVR and instead signed a contract with HAECO. They used to out source it to ACE (I think) maintenance at YVR. But because the Canadian dollar was becoming stronger and stronger, there was no real benefit of doing it in Canada anymore and they signed a contract to take care of it in Asia.
But ATL-ANC-ICN-HKG? Quite a long route. Is the stop in ICN neccesary? I mean AC does YVR-PVG with a fully loaded B767-300ER and in some years, even YYZ-NRT (that is one heck of a long route on a B767) so does DL really need that stop in ICN?
CX flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6449 posts, RR: 56 Reply 9, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4491 times:
The Delta 767 you refer to had just arrived that morning in HKG. The usual practice is to park on a remote bay near the terminal after arrival. The aircraft then gets towed down to HAECO later on in the day.
Mav75 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 228 posts, RR: 1 Reply 12, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4117 times:
Quoting CaptainTim (Reply 7): i'll be honest i'm really surprised that the costs and benefit cancels out...
this means that flying a empty plane to hkg saves more money for delta than to do maintenance in the US....
sounds slightly strange but hey im no expert on costs to maintain a jet!
I was wondering the exact same thing. With my VERY rough estimates, I'd say it costs at least $50 - $60K in fuel (plus man hours) to fly an empty Boeing across the globe. Then you have to figure in the wear and tear on the aircraft for 15+ hours both ways. The labor costs in Hong Kong must be significantly lower than the U.S. and Canada, or it wouldn't make any financial sense to do this.
Gt1 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 133 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1644 times:
First, HAECO is an excellent MRO provider. I think they do an excellent job.
But why do we see a Delta 767 more that 4000 miles from the nearest scheduled destination?
If you believe Delta management, they will assure you that their various heavy maintenance providers are cheaper, better, faster and just as safe as what they got from their own employees. Most were cheaper at first glance, few were better, faster or cheaper in the long run. However, Delta senior management never honestly looked at what they were getting from their own heavy maintenance, they simply had an agenda to reduce head count. So they completely cut out airframe heavy maintenance, got rid of an untold number of hardworking and efficient employees and told us it was for the survival of the company.
In short, they lied.
Having now moved on to another major operator, and getting a chance to see another operation from the inside, it's painfully obvious that Delta management had no idea how good they had it.
N503JB From Hong Kong, joined May 2000, 300 posts, RR: 2 Reply 19, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1298 times:
[quote=Gt1,reply=17]First, HAECO is an excellent MRO provider. I think they do an excellent job. quote]
I believe DL not just only focusing on the cost, efficiency is could be one of the main reason. I am not sure how long does it take for C-Check in US / Canada, in HAECO take 7-9 days for C-check the A340 or smiliar size aircraft. I heard most of the EU counties take at least one month for C-check the A340.