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DL763 In HKG  
User currently offlineSptv From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 123 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 6110 times:

Saw a DL763 on the tarmac in HKG morning of 1/19. Didn't know DL flew to HKG. Any idea where it was going to/coming from?

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User currently offlineMbm3 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 828 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 6077 times:
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I am guessing it was either a charter or they have outsourced their widebody MX to HAECO similar to CO, who sends their 762s, 764s and 772s for heavy MX.


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User currently offlineCalvin99 From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2001, 224 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 6077 times:

i think this question come out fairly often...

DL 763 are coming to Hong Kong for maintenance at HAECo... HK also receive DL 757 and CO 772 and more..!!

Last time.. we have Orbis DC-10 and the GE test aircraft (forget what its call)


User currently offlineChiGB1973 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1613 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 6063 times:

If I recall correctly, DL outsources maintenance over there. HAECO maybe?

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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24734 posts, RR: 46
Reply 4, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 6035 times:

Yes DL does have 763 maintenance work done in HKG.

Been covered before;
Delta 763 On 3hr Flight Around HKG? (by B777ER Aug 18 2007 in Civil Aviation)
Delta 763s At ICN And HKG (by WorldTraveler May 26 2007 in Civil Aviation)
DL Doing ATL-ANC-ICN-HKG Tonight (by Chugach Apr 8 2007 in Civil Aviation)



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User currently offlineSptv From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 123 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 5639 times:

thanks for the info, though interestingly, the plane was not near the Haeco facility or near any mx hanger. it was quite close to the main passenger terminal.

User currently offlineKtachiya From Japan, joined Sep 2004, 1789 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 5238 times:

Its outsourcing to HAECO. A couple of years ago, I started a thread when Delta stopped sending their B767-300ER to YVR and instead signed a contract with HAECO. They used to out source it to ACE (I think) maintenance at YVR. But because the Canadian dollar was becoming stronger and stronger, there was no real benefit of doing it in Canada anymore and they signed a contract to take care of it in Asia.

But ATL-ANC-ICN-HKG? Quite a long route. Is the stop in ICN neccesary? I mean AC does YVR-PVG with a fully loaded B767-300ER and in some years, even YYZ-NRT (that is one heck of a long route on a B767) so does DL really need that stop in ICN?



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User currently offlineCaptainTim From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2004, 431 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4697 times:

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Delta in HKG



spotted them a while back.. but yeah its correct these delta flights only come into hong kong for maintenance

DL has a contract with HAECO

i'll be honest i'm really surprised that the costs and benefit cancels out...

this means that flying a empty plane to hkg saves more money for delta than to do maintenance in the US....

sounds slightly strange but hey im no expert on costs to maintain a jet!

tim

Quoting Sptv (Reply 5):
thanks for the info, though interestingly, the plane was not near the Haeco facility or near any mx hanger. it was quite close to the main passenger terminal.

might be taxxing?



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User currently offlineCaptainTim From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2004, 431 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4680 times:

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http://www.airliners.net/uf/view.fil...6931&filename=1187499603hYL2ad.jpg



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User currently offlineCX flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6573 posts, RR: 55
Reply 9, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4680 times:

The Delta 767 you refer to had just arrived that morning in HKG. The usual practice is to park on a remote bay near the terminal after arrival. The aircraft then gets towed down to HAECO later on in the day.

User currently offlineBok269 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 2105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4626 times:

Will this aircraft return in the new color scheme?


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User currently offlineCX flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6573 posts, RR: 55
Reply 11, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4488 times:

So far they have not repainted any of the 4-5 Delta 767s which have come through unfortunately.

User currently offlineMav75 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 228 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4306 times:

Quoting CaptainTim (Reply 7):
i'll be honest i'm really surprised that the costs and benefit cancels out...

this means that flying a empty plane to hkg saves more money for delta than to do maintenance in the US....

sounds slightly strange but hey im no expert on costs to maintain a jet!

I was wondering the exact same thing. With my VERY rough estimates, I'd say it costs at least $50 - $60K in fuel (plus man hours) to fly an empty Boeing across the globe. Then you have to figure in the wear and tear on the aircraft for 15+ hours both ways. The labor costs in Hong Kong must be significantly lower than the U.S. and Canada, or it wouldn't make any financial sense to do this.

[Edited 2008-01-20 19:45:03]

User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4228 times:

major overhauls cost millions of dollars. The cost of fuel and ferrying is far less than that.

Remember that DL is insourcing other work like engine overhauls while outsourcing airframe overhauls.

DL is the largest US airline based MRO by a fairly sizable margin.


User currently offlineCruiser From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 1001 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4213 times:



Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 13):
DL is the largest US airline based MRO by a fairly sizable margin.

I thought that was AA.



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User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4048 times:

DL does about 3 times the amount of insourcing than AA does.

User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9264 posts, RR: 14
Reply 16, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3845 times:



Quoting Bok269 (Reply 10):
Will this aircraft return in the new color scheme?



Quoting CX flyboy (Reply 11):
So far they have not repainted any of the 4-5 Delta 767s which have come through unfortunately.

DL still paints most there own planes (some do go to VCV for paint)



yep.
User currently offlineGt1 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 133 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1833 times:

First, HAECO is an excellent MRO provider. I think they do an excellent job.

But why do we see a Delta 767 more that 4000 miles from the nearest scheduled destination?

If you believe Delta management, they will assure you that their various heavy maintenance providers are cheaper, better, faster and just as safe as what they got from their own employees. Most were cheaper at first glance, few were better, faster or cheaper in the long run. However, Delta senior management never honestly looked at what they were getting from their own heavy maintenance, they simply had an agenda to reduce head count. So they completely cut out airframe heavy maintenance, got rid of an untold number of hardworking and efficient employees and told us it was for the survival of the company.

In short, they lied.

Having now moved on to another major operator, and getting a chance to see another operation from the inside, it's painfully obvious that Delta management had no idea how good they had it.

But I don't see the big picture.


User currently offlineHZ747300 From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2004, 1654 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1833 times:
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I see it a lot in HKG. Sometimes they park the jets near the passenger terminal, and when I asked the board in a previous thread, I was told that they do their heavy maintenance on the planes there.





Sometimes you see the cargo jets parked in the passenger jet area too. The silverbirds of CX cargo always look great at the remote stands on the far side of the terminal.



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User currently offlineN503JB From Hong Kong, joined May 2000, 300 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1487 times:

[quote=Gt1,reply=17]First, HAECO is an excellent MRO provider. I think they do an excellent job. quote]

I believe DL not just only focusing on the cost, efficiency is could be one of the main reason. I am not sure how long does it take for C-Check in US / Canada, in HAECO take 7-9 days for C-check the A340 or smiliar size aircraft. I heard most of the EU counties take at least one month for C-check the A340.

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