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Turkish Airlines Carried Almost 20m In 2007  
User currently offlineTKfan From Turkey, joined Oct 2007, 650 posts, RR: 1
Posted (6 years 3 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3647 times:

According to a presentation on TK's website, Turkish Airlines carried 19.645.966 Passengers in 2007. This is an increase of 15.9% compared to the previous year.

Some highlights of the Presentation:

Passengers: 19.645.966 +15.9%
ASK: 41.6 bn +12.7%
RPK: 30.3 bn +19.3%
Pass.LF: 72.7 +4.0pts
Cargo: 180.378t +12.9%



Sidenote: Turkish Airlines nearly doubled their Passenger numbers since four years

2003: 10.42m +0.3%
2004: 11.99m +15.1%
2005: 14.14m +17.9%
2006: 16.95m +19.9%
2007: 19.65m +15.9%

For 2008 Turkish Airlines will receive 20 Aircrafts, open at least 11 new routes and a 20% increase in Passenger numbers

52 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineGokmengs From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1123 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (6 years 3 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3633 times:

Very impressive numbers to say the least, these aggressive growth numbers might surprise the anet crowd thats not familiar with TK, but if TK had a better management that can foresee the future and not tied up to the government, these numbers would even be better. TK needs WB ac asap.


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User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5900 posts, RR: 40
Reply 2, posted (6 years 3 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3628 times:

very good news!! are there any news regarding there plnd GRU flight??? any chance for other SouthAmerican flights beside the GRU flight...???


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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26521 posts, RR: 58
Reply 3, posted (6 years 3 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3612 times:

I also expect that once inside Star Alliance they will continue to go from strength to strength. I think they are a more positive addition to Star than we have seen with recent other carriers who have joined the club.


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User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4304 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (6 years 3 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3608 times:



Quoting Gokmengs (Reply 1):
these aggressive growth numbers might surprise the anet crowd thats not familiar with TK

I doubt that. TP carrying 9m, OS carrying 10m, LX carrying 13m is always more surprising to some.
On the other hand, it is still hard to believe that TK is about to catch KL in terms of pax numbers and TK is doing this with a Long Haul fleet of 7x343s, 5x332s and 5x313s. Compared that to KL with 25x744s, 15x772s, 9x332s, 10XMD11s.


User currently offlineAnkaraflyjet From Turkey, joined Mar 2007, 267 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (6 years 3 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3600 times:

I am not a big TK fan but their growth is a result of the size of Turkey and its geographical position combined with its economic progress. In fact for a country like Turkey THY is still not big enough, hopefully once Turkey gets closer to full EU membership TK willl be the fourth largest airline in Europe after AF/KL, BA and LH.

User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26521 posts, RR: 58
Reply 6, posted (6 years 3 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3595 times:



Quoting Ankaraflyjet (Reply 5):
hopefully once Turkey gets closer to full EU membership TK willl be the fourth largest airline in Europe

I dont think that will be a major factor. TK will grow anyway. EU membership is still a decade away at least.



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User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4304 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (6 years 3 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3587 times:



Quoting Ankaraflyjet (Reply 5):
TK willl be the fourth largest airline in Europe after AF/KL, BA and LH.

Don't forget AZ, IB, SK


User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17008 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (6 years 3 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3587 times:

Wow, this is really brilliant news for TK!!!


So which routes perform best for TK???



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User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4304 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (6 years 3 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3563 times:



Quoting B747forever (Reply 8):
So which routes perform best for TK???

I am sure some of our Turkey based a.netters can give a better answer to this but this 20m pax is split 50/50 btw. domestic and int. and there is so much more room to grow in both areas.
I am always surprised by IST-TLV flights. They must be doing good since its going to 25 weekly and sometimes with WBs.


User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5900 posts, RR: 40
Reply 10, posted (6 years 3 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3561 times:



Quoting B747forever (Reply 8):

So which routes perform best for TK???

would say all flights from and to germany...



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26521 posts, RR: 58
Reply 11, posted (6 years 3 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3548 times:

The Far East has to be good for them. It would be interesting to see the figures for various routes. Some may be surprising. When they join Star im going to book a Far East trip with TK DUB-IST-SIN


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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17008 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (6 years 3 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3549 times:



Quoting TK787 (Reply 9):
They must be doing good since its going to 25 weekly

Wow, 25weekly!!!

Quoting Avianca (Reply 10):
would say all flights from and to germany...

Agree with you. And I think that the ARN service makes also pretty good!!



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User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4304 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (6 years 3 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3537 times:



Quoting Avianca (Reply 10):
would say all flights from and to germany...

Not only TK, but look at these LH flights to Turkey, it might not be up to date, might be more for this summer:
FRA-IST 4xdaily
MUC-IST 3xdaily
MUC-ESB 2xdaily
MUC-ADB 2xdaily

I don't even know what the number will be if we do all the carriers between the two countries.


User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5900 posts, RR: 40
Reply 14, posted (6 years 3 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 3519 times:



Quoting TK787 (Reply 13):
Not only TK, but look at these LH flights to Turkey, it might not be up to date, might be more for this summer:
FRA-IST 4xdaily
MUC-IST 3xdaily
MUC-ESB 2xdaily
MUC-ADB 2xdaily

I don't even know what the number will be if we do all the carriers between the two countries.

well there are hundreds of flights per week (if not per day) between these two countrys... would be interesting to see a complete list of the flights...

and for LH, I do not think it is even on the top 10 of the served countrys by LH, compare to IT, GB, FR, ES et...



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User currently offlineTKfan From Turkey, joined Oct 2007, 650 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (6 years 3 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 3513 times:



Quoting Avianca (Reply 2):
very good news!! are there any news regarding there plnd GRU flight??? any chance for other SouthAmerican flights beside the GRU flight...???

The Flights to Sao Paolo are announced to start this year, as soon as the WB aircraft arrive. Still nothing said if nonstop or via a African stopover

Quoting OA260 (Reply 3):
I also expect that once inside Star Alliance they will continue to go from strength to strength.

Agree, last year Temel Kotil, General Manager of THY, said Star alliance will bring them additional 2 million Pax.
Wonder how this will happen as their main hub IST operating at its max. capacity.

Quoting TK787 (Reply 4):
On the other hand, it is still hard to believe that TK is about to catch KL in terms of pax numbers and TK is doing this with a Long Haul fleet of 7x343s, 5x332s and 5x313s. Compared that to KL with 25x744s, 15x772s, 9x332s, 10XMD11s.

Great Comparison @TK787, thank you. never thought about this fact!! Truly amazing.

Quoting OA260 (Reply 6):
Quoting Ankaraflyjet (Reply 5):
hopefully once Turkey gets closer to full EU membership TK will be the fourth largest airline in Europe

I dont think that will be a major factor. TK will grow anyway. EU membership is still a decade away at least.

If with or without EU, Aviation in Turkey will grow as the market is not saturated like in the US or EU.
If you compare the size of Turkey (inhabitants and distances of major cities) and the total pax-numbers its somehow ridiculous Big grin


User currently offlineTKfan From Turkey, joined Oct 2007, 650 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (6 years 3 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3468 times:



Quoting Gokmengs (Reply 1):
Very impressive numbers to say the least, these aggressive growth numbers might surprise the anet crowd thats not familiar with TK, but if TK had a better management that can foresee the future and not tied up to the government, these numbers would even be better. TK needs WB ac asap.

Indeed very impressive.
Actually the current Management is not that bad, as we all supposed they are at the very beginning. I think they have a certain philosophy inherited from the former Management to keep the fleet as flexible as possible. Otherwise I have no explanation why the 734 are still in the fleet.
With WB aircraft they might be not so flexible as with the NB aircraft.
Its right they could take faster decisions, i.e. WB planing, "Turkish Express", HABOM etc.

Quoting Ankaraflyjet (Reply 5):
I am not a big TK fan but their growth is a result of the size of Turkey and its geographical position combined with its economic progress. In fact for a country like Turkey THY is still not big enough, hopefully once Turkey gets closer to full EU membership TK will be the fourth largest airline in Europe after AF/KL, BA and LH.

 checkmark  fully agree to your comment, except, I m a big fan of TK Big grin

Quoting TK787 (Reply 7):
Quoting Ankaraflyjet (Reply 5):
TK will be the fourth largest airline in Europe after AF/KL, BA and LH.

Don't forget AZ, IB, SK

Due to different problems the Paxnumbers of those mentioned Airlines decreasing at least they stagnate

these are the numbers of AEA for dec06-nov07

IB 26.557.800 -2.04%
SK 25.397.700 0.74%
AZ 24.434.100 1.1%

Turkish AIrlines might surpass them all in 2010


User currently offlineTurkishSky From Turkey, joined Mar 2004, 239 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 3 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3437 times:



Quoting TKfan (Reply 15):
Quoting TK787 (Reply 4):
On the other hand, it is still hard to believe that TK is about to catch KL in terms of pax numbers and TK is doing this with a Long Haul fleet of 7x343s, 5x332s and 5x313s. Compared that to KL with 25x744s, 15x772s, 9x332s, 10XMD11s.

Great Comparison @TK787, thank you. never thought about this fact!! Truly amazing.

don't forget that KLM's domestic network is far behind TK's. You can reach to big pax numbers easier with more short haul flights. Just compare how many passengers you can fly on a KL B744 AMS to NRT while you can do several legs and carry many more passengers between IST and ESB on an A321.



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User currently offlineNeutral From Ireland, joined Nov 2007, 309 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 3 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3426 times:

I've done Dublin to Bodrum via Istanbul a couple of times and a super service both times and very full flights each time.I'm sure a lot of Irish people use this service to travel onwards maybe OA260 might have more info on transit passengers.

Dave.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26521 posts, RR: 58
Reply 19, posted (6 years 3 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3420 times:



Quoting Neutral (Reply 18):
I've done Dublin to Bodrum via Istanbul a couple of times and a super service both times and very full flights each time.I'm sure a lot of Irish people use this service to travel onwards maybe OA260 might have more info on transit passengers.

Its always nice to land and see a 737 or A321 of TK at DUB . Nearly as good as seeing LX or OA LOL..... TK do get alot of BKK / SIN traffic. Also alot of ADB and BJV also. Alot of Irish now own apartments in the Turkish coast.



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User currently offlineTKfan From Turkey, joined Oct 2007, 650 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (6 years 3 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3414 times:



Quoting TurkishSky (Reply 17):
don't forget that KLM's domestic network is far behind TK's. You can reach to big pax numbers easier with more short haul flights. Just compare how many passengers you can fly on a KL B744 AMS to NRT while you can do several legs and carry many more passengers between IST and ESB on an A321.

True, realised it too when I looked at the AEA statistics.

On the first sight, TK787's argument is reasonable as KL operates a huge Longhaul-Fleet compared to TK (1:4).

I was going to explain the same as you did. This is also seen at their RPK for the first 11 month of 2007

KL: 68.601 million RPK with 21.5 million Passengers
TK: 26.740 million RPK with 17.5 million Passengers


User currently offlineStylo777 From Turkey, joined Feb 2006, 2904 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (6 years 3 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3406 times:



Quoting Avianca (Reply 14):
well there are hundreds of flights per week (if not per day) between these two countrys... would be interesting to see a complete list of the flights...

I compiled a list in one of the Turkish Aviation threads some months ago, but I don't know in which one

Quoting TK787 (Reply 13):
FRA-IST 4xdaily
MUC-IST 3xdaily
MUC-ESB 2xdaily
MUC-ADB 2xdaily

add CGN and TXL flights starting March and usual 4th FRAIST flight during summer

Quoting TK787 (Reply 9):
I am always surprised by IST-TLV flights. They must be doing good since its going to 25 weekly and sometimes with WBs.

one rotation is still scheduled with 332 equipment 5x weekly. I think this huge number of flights were influenced by LY as they stopped IST recently

Quoting OA260 (Reply 11):
When they join Star im going to book a Far East trip with TK DUB-IST-SIN

Iazu?! again one of your mileage runs? Big grin

Quoting B747forever (Reply 8):
So which routes perform best for TK???

all flights to SE Asia are performing very good especially PVG-PEK. as for Europe I think LHR, FRA, AMS and ORY are the top performer. I also heard that MXP, ARN and CPH is doing good...


as for Star Alliance I think the numbers will increase very high. TK have a good presence especially in SE Europe (the Balkans) as well as SW Russia and the Northern part of Middle East (CAI, TLV, AMM, BEY). They also open some new routes here (e.g. ALP). as for Star Alliance only OS is strong here (and regional partners OU and JP).
IST is a convenient airport for transits and I think the pax numbers to these destinations will increase drastically.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26521 posts, RR: 58
Reply 22, posted (6 years 3 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3400 times:



Quoting Stylo777 (Reply 21):
Iazu?! again one of your mileage runs?

Haha no this time cashing in some miles for J class on the A340 !!! Would be cool..... Plus a few nights in IST to visit a friend who I keep promising to visit so will be the perfect trip. Its more than 6 years since I was in Istanbul.....



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User currently offlineTurkishSky From Turkey, joined Mar 2004, 239 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 3 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3400 times:



Quoting Stylo777 (Reply 21):
usual 4th FRAIST flight during summer

there is no mention it so far. it was only operated last summer.... so not quite 'usual'  Smile)



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User currently offlineStylo777 From Turkey, joined Feb 2006, 2904 posts, RR: 12
Reply 24, posted (6 years 3 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3374 times:



Quoting TurkishSky (Reply 23):
there is no mention it so far. it was only operated last summer.... so not quite 'usual

they never mention this before, they put this flight into the system just before the starting of the summer holidays. the same goes for ATH. of course they need to find a spare 321 a/c for this, but I'm pretty sure that this will happen again this summer.  Smile

Quoting OA260 (Reply 22):
Haha no this time cashing in some miles for J class on the A340 !!!

the 332 is even better in J  Wink


one part of the story is mentioned already by all of you. the other part of this success is still missing! TK increased their service quality in recent years. for example Internet Check-In, reorganization of mileage programme, new interior (and also exterior eventhough it is only a tulip) of aircrafts and a lot of other staff in ground handling.
they also signed an agreement with Do&Co which is in my eyes one of the best caterers so far. catering is also available on short domestic runs.
and in my eyes one of the most important factors which influenced this success is Turkish Technic! they're very reliable, the do a great maintenance work for their fleet, the aircrafts are all maintained very well and therefore no delays or even cancellations because of this. in the customer point of view I think we all could rely on that.

another point is the choice of fleet especially for the continental flights. due to the fact they have A319/A320/A321/B734/B738 and even A313/A332/A343 and all based in IST they could easily switch aircrafts (which they do most times) according to the actual booking numbers. fellow a.nut B747forever asked very recently why they send sometimes 738, sometimes 321 and other times 332 to ARN. nobody could answer him exactly. we think this was because of temporally high loads on this route and lower loads on other so they switched they aircrafts to get almost 100% payload on every flight.


25 TK787 : I know, but as you can see I didn't include Cityhopper either, or having a giant partner like AF or a massive hub like AMS. Actually, let me put in a
26 Post contains images OA260 : I will keep that in mind but as long as they got Cherry juice i will be fine
27 Post contains images Stylo777 : :D you are kidding, don't you? hmmm... I went though all months of last year, but didn't find it... so it seems that I have to find some free time
28 Post contains images Stylo777 : that's for sure mate!
29 Addd : What new widebody aircraft do they expect in 2008? There are quite a few new long hal flights they are planning for 2008 - Sao Paulo, Washington, Tor
30 Stylo777 : they will get/lease two 343 from ILFC in the next months (former Air Jamaica birds)
31 TK787 : for sure. I tried again, couldn't find it.
32 TKfan : Very well summarized, great job, only to add that Turkish Airlines gained 4 Stars again by Skytrax. I would say all routes, even the 24 routes opened
33 GFA330 : Can anybody tell me what TK's plans are for Summer 2008 on the IST DOH route ?
34 Stylo777 : two weekly flights operated with 738 equip. maybe they add some capacities here, but QR is also on this route which makes it diffcult for TK. is DOH
35 TKfan : Seems to be daily in summer, but the flights will be connected with BAH flights. TK1178 IST-DOH-BAH-IST TK1176 IST-BAH-DOH-IST
36 Stylo777 : not correct... this is the current schedule (eventhough this flight is not daily!). the summer schedule shows only two non-stop flights (1--4---). ma
37 GFA330 : No DOH is not a leisure destination, but 60% of all the construction in DOH ( which is a lot ) is done by Turkish companies so there is a lot of labo
38 TKfan : I m not quite sure of these flights, although they are from TKs online timetable. As for now it seems daily. TK1178 IST-DOH-BAH-IST tue, thu, sun TK1
39 Stylo777 : wow, didn't know that. so a lot of business going vice versa.
40 Post contains images TKfan : Correct, Turkish Airlines does not open routes for leisure only traffic. For the new routes in 2008 for example, I think Ufa will be inaugurated due
41 Post contains images TKfan : Dont worry the yields are perfect , having a healthy share of business travellers. As I said before, they are a dominant player in this region. their
42 Wing : Sometimes its not only the menagements fault that these decisions take a long time.Aircraft purchase in Turkey mainly a government decision largely e
43 Post contains links and images TKfan : Quoting Wing (Reply 42): You should quote the first part too ? I said, that the current management is not that bad as all have thought at the very beg
44 Avianca : would love to see them here in CCS! maybe a combined CCS/BOG service could work.... targeting all the destination located to the east / south / southe
45 Hardiwv : The flight needs to operate nonstop otherise THY will not manage to compete. Emirates already announced that it will increase its DXB-GRU B772LR from
46 B747forever : Okey, thank you for that info!! Great to see that ARN is up there!!!
47 Addd : Well, TK has one of the best coverages of all international airlines in Eastern Europe (especially in Russia - 6 destinations and Ukraine - also 6 de
48 Hardiwv : Russian destinations and Central Asia could help indeed. China and India are well covered via Europe, US and South Africa. China even has its direct
49 TKfan : I have a question regarding the released PAX numbers of AEA and TK itself. The PAX numbers given by AEA are always lower than the numbers of TK. to ha
50 Post contains links and images TKfan : As if they want to proof the contrary, in their Consumer Report today, AEA gives a higher number as TK for 2007: 19.811.287..... waiting to be topped
51 TKfan : And now in their AEAs monthly traffic Monitor TK carried 18.993.000 Passengers, jan-dec2007....... Does anybody has a clue, what is count in which st
52 Post contains links and images TKfan : Turkish Airlines starts the year with a nice growth rata; 7.5% From their released Traffic results Flights 13.519 +7.8 ASK: 3.427m +3.6% RPK: 2.161m +
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