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User currently offlineKevin From Canada, joined Dec 2000, 1142 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4108 times:

I just got back from YVR and picked up their newspaper on the way. Apparently they have two new airlines planning to fly there in the next two years. First one is China Southern. They plan to serve YVR from Guangzhou with a B787 and the second one is Kingfisher from Delhi with an A345. Really nice to see Canada getting more international service.

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User currently offlineKtachiya From Japan, joined Sep 2004, 1794 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4067 times:



Quoting Kevin (Thread starter):
YVR from Guangzhou with a B787

This is long over-due. People were rumoring it could happen two years ago. So I'll believe it when I see it. With the delays that Boeing has been having, I don't know when the B787 to China Southern will be delivered.

Quoting Kevin (Thread starter):
Kingfisher from Delhi with an A345

This was a needed. I mean with that large Indian population in South Vancouver and Surrey, I guess it was just sufficient range that didn't allow a carrier to enter the market. Although I've heard/seen quite a few people do YVR-NRT-India or YVR-HKG-India or even YVR-TPE-India.



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User currently offlinePnwtraveler From Canada, joined Jun 2007, 2235 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3890 times:

I think with Air India and Jet Airways in Toronto it must be a pretty tight market. Kingfisher has been looking for somewhere to put their toe into the Canadian market and may need to wait a bit before going into YYZ. Therefore, YVR will probably be an excellent market. Will there be a stop or will it be direct?

It will draw people from the US west coast as well. Until the 787's arrive I don't think AC will restart any service.


User currently offlineHeathrow From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2005, 979 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3852 times:

well, I'm not completely sure about western Canada, but in Toronto there is a MASSIVE population if Indian and Asian people. I know that when I see CX, AI and KE flights from YYZ, they're usually quite full (to my understanding). If it is anything like this in vancouver, flights from YVR to India would be a massive hit, especially if Kingfisher decided to do codeshares with AC. As for China Southern, there are currently many flights from YVR to asia, and I don't know if there is enough room for them. I wish both airlines good lok if they do choose to fly to the great north.

User currently offlineThenoflyzone From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 2439 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3729 times:

Quoting Ktachiya (Reply 1):
Although I've heard/seen quite a few people do YVR-NRT-India or YVR-HKG-India or even YVR-TPE-India.

A friend of mine flies CX YVR-HKG often, and he says that that flight is full of Indians !

Thenoflyzone

[Edited 2008-01-21 10:43:44]


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User currently offlineMotorHussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 3198 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3680 times:

And of course NZ has commenced 3 x weekly AKL-YVR flights from last Oct/Nov. If all goes well, they may end up year round and increased in frequency.

Regards
MH



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User currently offlineCFMitch56 From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 97 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3652 times:

We mustn't forget everyone's favorite fake airline, Metis TransPacific! According to their amusing site, they have a flight to YVR on 15 Feb, and you can return home on their next "scheduled" flight a month and a half later on 5 Apr. http://www.metismacau.com/corporate/

User currently offlineFLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3634 times:



Quoting MotorHussy (Reply 5):
And of course NZ has commenced 3 x weekly AKL-YVR flights from last Oct/Nov. If all goes well, they may end up year round and increased in frequency.

Regards
MH

Given strong bookings, Air NZ is already committed to YVR year round, with one less frequency in low season.



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User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8557 posts, RR: 13
Reply 8, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3634 times:
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Quoting MotorHussy (Reply 5):
And of course NZ has commenced 3 x weekly AKL-YVR flights from last Oct/Nov. If all goes well, they may end up year round and increased in frequency.

the good news is that they have already announced they will go year round - though it will reduce to 2 x weekly in the off season ... from the NZ website

New Vancouver service to operate throughout the year

8 June 2007

Air New Zealand today announced that its new non-stop service between Auckland and Vancouver will operate year-round, following strong demand from customers.


The airline said in February that it would begin seasonal November-March flights to Vancouver this year.

Group General Manager International Airline Ed Sims said today that forward bookings for flights between Auckland and Vancouver were very strong, and had given the airline the confidence to now launch a year-round service.

"Canada has always been an extremely popular destination for New Zealanders, and in turn, Canadians come here in significant numbers every year," Mr Sims said.

"We've already had numerous enquiries from customers from both destinations wanting to travel outside the seasonal schedule, which has convinced us that the demand is there to sustain a year-round service."

Mr Sims said the new Vancouver service was already matching early growth rates similar to routes like San Francisco and Shanghai, as travellers outside the US took advantage of a time-saving direct route.

Already each year around 46,000 Canadians visit New Zealand and 16,000 Kiwis visit Canada - even before the launch of direct flights.

Mr Sims said the airline would offer three flights a week during the peak travel periods between November-March and July-August, and was likely to offer twice-weekly services for the remainder of the year.

The extension of the service would allow customers from both markets to enjoy quite different tourist experiences throughout the year, he said.

Mr Sims said Air New Zealand's relationship with Star Alliance partner Air Canada would offer customers great choices in connecting to other destinations within Canada, and through to London from Vancouver International Airport.*

Flights between Auckland and Vancouver will be operated with Air New Zealand's new 777 aircraft, with the direct service shaving hours of transit time from customers' travel itineraries.

Air New Zealand has publicly committed to opening one new long-haul route each year, with Vancouver the latest addition to the network.



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25205 posts, RR: 22
Reply 9, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3505 times:



Quoting Ktachiya (Reply 1):
Quoting Kevin (Thread starter):
Kingfisher from Delhi with an A345

This was a needed. I mean with that large Indian population in South Vancouver and Surrey, I guess it was just sufficient range that didn't allow a carrier to enter the market.

AC had announced plans to operate YVR-DEL nonstop with the A340-300 around 2001. I think they dropped those plans after 9/11. YVR-DEL is almost 300 nm shorter than YYZ-DEL which AC has operated nonstop in the past.


User currently offlineDYK From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 407 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3427 times:

It would be nice to see a Vancouver-Delhi flight hopefully in the next two years, but I would not bet money on it? Kingfisher which announced YVR as soon as possible can not operate overseas for a few more years. I think both Air India and Jet Airways have their sights on more lucrative NA markets despite Vancouver's large Indian Population.

Apart from China Southern I can not see any new carriers into YVR in the next couple of years. I guess this will ultimately depend on new bi-lat agreements.

It is nice to dream but hopefully some time in the next 5 we can see perhaps, Thai, Asiana, Air India, Malaysian, Hainan Icelandic or even Aer Lingus.

In a recent Vancouver Sun article regarding Philippine Air lines, an official at YVRAA mentioned there is a lot of interest with carrier wanting to use Vancouver as a hub, did not mention whether these would be new or existing carriers.

On the positive, most airlines currently serving YVR are eager to increase service, There is talk that NZ will extend the YVR flight to LHR and Canada and hopefully a new E.U-Canada open skies agreement can be negotiated. It would be nice to see some operate YVR-CDG although i doubt AF would have any interest but it can open the door to perhaps Corsair? or Air Tahiti Nui? However I can not see a negotiated new open skies opening up additional E.U. routes other than CDG.

Korean, Phillpines, EVA, Singapore can not increase service at the moment under the current agreements.



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User currently offlineYVRLTN From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 2454 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3270 times:



Quoting Ktachiya (Reply 1):
This is long over-due. People were rumoring it could happen two years ago. So I'll believe it when I see it. With the delays that Boeing has been having, I don't know when the B787 to China Southern will be delivered.

I believe it will start with the 777 next year - no doubt it will be replaced by the 787 once delivered.

Quoting DYK (Reply 10):
It is nice to dream but hopefully some time in the next 5 we can see perhaps, Thai, Asiana, Air India, Malaysian, Hainan Icelandic or even Aer Lingus

 no  Now that Kingfisher have confirmed YVR, I doubt that we will now see AI, but if they do well I think 9W would be more likely, possibly via BRU rather than direct (but I dont know they would get permission for that). Of the others, only TG have any chances of being succesful, but Im not sure if there are any bi-lats in place with Thailand. OZ would be up against AC, KE & SQ directly. MH, dont think they have the resources and KUL isnt a big deal from SIN or HKG. HU - dont know much about them, where would they operate to?? I imagine they are tied up with one of the existing carriers split off from the CAAC somehow?? We already have CA & MU, now CZ. FI - nope... theres no way they could warrant a 767 and anything else would have to fuel stop, I dont think they could even warrant a 757 via YYZ. EI - far more profitable places for them to go first, this summer GSM are going to do DUB as a stop on some of the MAN flights and is the first connection to Ireland since.......?? Would certainly love to see those tails here though!!!

Quoting DYK (Reply 10):
It would be nice to see some operate YVR-CDG

Its already happening - both TS & Z4 via YYC.

Quoting DYK (Reply 10):
Air Tahiti Nui

Would only be worthwhile as a fuelstop IMO.



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User currently offlineConnector4you From Canada, joined May 2001, 932 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3220 times:

I'd love to see Austrian Airlines with a non-stop Vancouver to Vienna, a growing hub to South-Eastern Europe, Russia, Middle East, Far East.

User currently offlineDYK From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 407 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3170 times:



Quoting YVRLTN (Reply 11):
Its already happening - both TS & Z4 via YYC.

I believe TS and Z4 are seasonal only ???



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User currently offlineAC747 From Ireland, joined Jan 2007, 277 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3159 times:



Quoting YVRLTN (Reply 11):
this summer GSM are going to do DUB as a stop on some of the MAN flights and is the first connection to Ireland since.......??

Never been a direct flight from YVR to the Republic. Z4 op to BFS alright, but nothing to 'the south' before.
I travel between YVR and Dublin a few times a year and it would suit me beautifully to have a well established non-stop connection, so I will be watching the GSM numbers carefully this Summer.
Naturally, I'd prefer a better airline on the route, but who knows, Z4 or EI may be persuaded to hop on the route after a while. Sure, EI have other markets that they could look at, but they've dropped Dubai and are concentrating on North America and are rumoured to be looking at Canada from '09. Probably YYZ first, but never say never.
By the way, the DUB website announced recently that GSM will run YVR-DUB year round as as sched service and not a Summer only charter !



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User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4918 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2965 times:



Quoting AC747 (Reply 14):
By the way, the DUB website announced recently that GSM will run YVR-DUB year round as as sched service and not a Summer only charter !

I assume that means GSM will operate their UK-Western Canada programme next winter too. It hasn't operated this winter. Should be good to get winter ski traffic



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User currently offlineFlyyul From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4976 posts, RR: 51
Reply 16, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2923 times:

My realistic expectation for Vancouver

Europe:

LH to MUC (seasonal)
TS/Z4 growth to France and Germany

Asia:

China Southern
Asiana?


User currently offlinePnwtraveler From Canada, joined Jun 2007, 2235 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2920 times:



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 9):
AC had announced plans to operate YVR-DEL nonstop with the A340-300 around 2001. I think they dropped those plans after 9/11. YVR-DEL is almost 300 nm shorter than YYZ-DEL which AC has operated nonstop in the past.

AC flew it using the L1011-500 with a stop in LHR.

Again recently it was one of the polar routes that AC wanted to use the 340-500 but it has not proved as profitable as they would have liked. So it was cut again. I think we may see it come back in the next decade when the 787 arrives but really doubt AC will try it again anytime soon. It is on the list but way down after more lucrative markets. As India continues to boom we will see AC re-evaluating as it does with a whle range of markets.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25205 posts, RR: 22
Reply 18, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2875 times:

Quoting Pnwtraveler (Reply 17):
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 9):
AC had announced plans to operate YVR-DEL nonstop with the A340-300 around 2001. I think they dropped those plans after 9/11. YVR-DEL is almost 300 nm shorter than YYZ-DEL which AC has operated nonstop in the past.

AC flew it using the L1011-500 with a stop in LHR.

Sorry, that's not correct. AC operated YYZ-LHR-BOM (not DEL) using the L1011-500. The flight continued from BOM to SIN. They have never operated direct service between YVR and India.

[Edited 2008-01-22 13:54:52]

User currently offlineDYK From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 407 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2784 times:



Quoting Flyyul (Reply 16):
My realistic expectation for Vancouver

Europe:

LH to MUC (seasonal)
TS/Z4 growth to France and Germany

I think with LH operating into YYC and SEA may have killed any chance for a LH YVR-MUC?



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User currently offlineYVRLTN From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 2454 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2691 times:



Quoting Connector4you (Reply 12):
I'd love to see Austrian Airlines with a non-stop Vancouver to Vienna, a growing hub to South-Eastern Europe, Russia, Middle East, Far East

Im not sure that OS & VIE would offer anything significant that LH & FRA dont though??

Quoting DYK (Reply 13):
I believe TS and Z4 are seasonal only ???

Correct - at the moment, wouldnt be surprised to see Z4 go year round.

Quoting Flyyul (Reply 16):
LH to MUC (seasonal)
TS/Z4 growth to France and Germany

Asia:

China Southern
Asiana?

MUC would certainly be worth thinking about, but it would be more suited to DE and a 763, and I dont know enough about DE to say if they would do long haul ex MUC or not (remember they also serve YVR/FRA in the summer). I agree it may be something for Z4 to explore, along with Italy, though again Im not sure what bi-lats there are with Italy and if the 763ER would have the legs for MXP or FCO - it does ZRH I guess...

CZ is a given pretty much, as mentioned by the OP. OZ, I highly doubt it, and ICN is already served by Star partners AC & SQ, as well as KE.

What other new carriers?? I wouldnt be surprised to see further activity from AB in the future, now they have taken over Belair (4T) & LT. Both existing ZRH & DUS flights will be under the AB umbrella this summer, and DUS is being marketed as a gateway for onward connections with AB. With the massive widebody order, I wouldnt be surprised to see more German routes in a few years time.

AM is another possibilty. They operated a charter here this past summer, and have been to YXX in the past. Maybe they will expand their charter activities.

I would also love to see an eastbound freighter here. Large freight to Europe & Mid East sucks. I think LH Cargo could justify at least a weekly MD11F. If not, CV as an alternative to SEA one day a week. CV is pretty much the only option eastbound, and we have to truck to either SEA or YYC. YYC allocation is always full, so that means SEA, which then means moving the cargo in customs bond through the US - no real biggie, but anything for an easier life...



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User currently offlineConnector4you From Canada, joined May 2001, 932 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 2558 times:



Quoting YVRLTN (Reply 20):
Im not sure that OS & VIE would offer anything significant that LH & FRA dont though??

Boy, I'm telling you Austrian service it's unmatched by Lufthansa while Frankfurt doesn't even come close to Vienna when talking about dedicated service and optimal connections to/from Eastern Europe. Not to mention the new terminal @ Vienna. Believe it or not those Austrians are doing a heck of a job. Congrats to them they surely have a bright future!!! So once again we should have'em in Vancouver.  yes 


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