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User currently offlineHeathrow From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2005, 980 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2269 times:

As I was going through the BA concorde thread, I noticed the table of pricing. At JFK, they seamed to have a lot of connections to airlines such as PA, TW and EA. I am wondering if this had anything to do with a codeshare or partner airline agreement, or if in fact these airlines were part of the oneworld alliance back in the day. I know Ansett belonged to star. What other great airlines of the past belonged to our great alliances of today?

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User currently offlineNorthStarDC4M From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 3077 posts, RR: 36
Reply 1, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2259 times:
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Alliances are fairly new in the scheme of things... they are a mid- 90s invention.

Prior to that, interline and codeshare agreements were much more confusing. For example, British Midland had code shares with 40-50 different airlines in the early 90s, competing airlines too! Air Canada and Canadian both used to code share with BD.

KLM/NW started the alliance concept, STAR really brought it into existance.

Since Alliances came along the only big changes i can think of for losses:

Ansett= gone
Swiss= One world moved to STAR

and 2 alliances have gone

KLM/NW or Wings alliance= merged into Skyteam
Qualiflyer Alliance= dead



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User currently offlineHeathrow From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2005, 980 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2241 times:

Very interesting that both AC and CP would codeshare with BD!! I've never heared of the Qualifier alliance. I think LX would have gone to oneworld anyways had it not been for the buyout from LH. It's a shame, I would have loved to see them in Oneworld. Who were members of the qualifier alliance?

User currently offlineAmerican 767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4008 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2235 times:
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Quoting Heathrow (Reply 2):
Who were members of the qualifier alliance?

Sabena, Swissair and Austrian were



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User currently offlineSeansasLCY From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2007, 903 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2161 times:



Quoting American 767 (Reply 3):
Quoting Heathrow (Reply 2):
Who were members of the qualifier alliance?

Sabena, Swissair and Austrian were

I think i read somewhere that LOT and PGA Portugalia were also members.


User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7565 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2135 times:

Also Braathens was part of the Wings Alliance.


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User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8632 posts, RR: 13
Reply 6, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2133 times:
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Quoting NorthStarDC4M (Reply 1):
Since Alliances came along the only big changes i can think of for losses:

Ansett= gone
Swiss= One world moved to STAR

oft repeated myth , I 'm afraid - in fact Swiss were never in Oneworld . They signed an agreement to join but they never completed the process before BA pissed them off so much that they gave up in disgust

CP left Oneworld when they were taken over by AC
MX left/were kicked out/arranged to be kicked* out of Star
RG were kicked out of Star



*delete the answers you feel do not apply - I have heard all three answers so many times that I no longer care which one is correct Big grin



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User currently offlineJetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7438 posts, RR: 50
Reply 7, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2113 times:
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BA also hd codeshare connections with UA at ORD for DEN, PDX, LAS and PHX according to my BA timetable I have from summer/1988. Also shows a codeshare to/from BEY with MEA, and a combined flt number, MEBA202/203.


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User currently offlineChinaeastern From China, joined Apr 2004, 348 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2089 times:



Quoting SeansasLCY (Reply 4):

Also Singapore Airlines


User currently offlinePacNWjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 980 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2071 times:



Quoting SeansasLCY (Reply 4):
I think i read somewhere that LOT and PGA Portugalia were also members.

Wasn't it TAP Air Portugal that was in Qualiflyer?


User currently offlineTKfan From Turkey, joined Oct 2007, 673 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2047 times:



Quoting American 767 (Reply 3):
Quoting Heathrow (Reply 2):
Who were members of the qualifier alliance?

Sabena, Swissair and Austrian were

The fonding members were:

AOM French Airlines
Austrian Airlines
Crossair
Sabena
Swissair
TAP Portugal
Turkish Airlines

Later some other joined the club: Air Europe, Air Liberté, Air Littoral, LOT, PGA - Portugalia Airlines, Tyrolean Airways, Volare

The Alliance were never a sucsess, as Swissair wanted to dominate the Alliance. Some of the Airlines in the list were owned or partly owned by Swissair.


User currently offlineACDC8 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 7653 posts, RR: 35
Reply 11, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2004 times:

CP and AA used to codeshare together with LH in the early 90's. Interestingly, AA served DUS from ORD just before LH's involvement in STAR and then all of a sudden it was UA's metal serving that route ... hmmmmm  Wink


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User currently offlineHeathrow From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2005, 980 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1886 times:



Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 6):
They signed an agreement to join but they never completed the process before BA pissed them off so much that they gave up in disgust

Or LH bought them, making them obligated to join star  Wink


User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8632 posts, RR: 13
Reply 13, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1769 times:
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Quoting Heathrow (Reply 12):
Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 6):
They signed an agreement to join but they never completed the process before BA pissed them off so much that they gave up in disgust

Or LH bought them, making them obligated to join star

nope , you are putting the cart before the horse

03/06/2004
http://www.swiss.com/web/EN/about_sw...ases/2004/Pages/pr_20040603_2.aspx

SWISS has decided not to proceed with the envisaged integration of its Swiss TravelClub frequent flyer programme into the Executive Club, its counterpart at British Airways, under the present conditions. The sizeable costs of such an integration and the drawbacks it would bring currently outweigh its projected mid- to long-term benefits. As the abandonment of the proposed integration also means that the bilateral agreement between SWISS and British Airways cannot be put into practice, SWISS is unable to join the oneworld alliance at the present time.



13/03/2005

http://www.swiss.com/web/EN/about_sw...leases/2005/Pages/pr_20050313.aspx

Deutsche Lufthansa AG and Swiss International Air Lines AG are in constructive negotiations about the take-over and integration of SWISS into the Lufthansa group.



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User currently offlineRyanair!!! From Australia, joined Mar 2002, 4757 posts, RR: 25
Reply 14, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1764 times:

There was also the short lived PASSAGES program that had Singapore Airlines, Malaysia Airlines and Cathay Pacific. Delta and Swissair were in the equation somewhere although I cannot remember clearly if it was this alliance...


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User currently offlineRedChili From Norway, joined Jul 2005, 2307 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1719 times:



Quoting NorthStarDC4M (Reply 1):
KLM/NW started the alliance concept,

When one airline buys a 20 percent stake in another airline, and they decide to cooperate, I wouldn't call that an alliance. Many airlines did that before KLM/NW did so. An alliance is a group of airlines that stay independent and cooperate with selling tickets, frequent flyers, codeshare, etc.

In my opinion, the first true alliance was the European Quality Alliance, which was formed on 28 September 1989, by SAS, Swissair and Austrian. Finnair also joined, but they were disappiointed with what the alliance gave them and left after a short while.

I believe the European Quality Alliance ceased to exist in the end of 1993. In the wake of this failure, SAS started to court Lufthansa, and they together invited LH-friend United and SK-friend Thai, plus Air Canada, to start Star.



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