Heathrow From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2005, 981 posts, RR: 0 Posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2590 times:
As I was going through the BA concorde thread, I noticed the table of pricing. At JFK, they seamed to have a lot of connections to airlines such as PA, TW and EA. I am wondering if this had anything to do with a codeshare or partner airline agreement, or if in fact these airlines were part of the oneworld alliance back in the day. I know Ansett belonged to star. What other great airlines of the past belonged to our great alliances of today?
NorthStarDC4M From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 3147 posts, RR: 35
Reply 1, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2580 times:
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Alliances are fairly new in the scheme of things... they are a mid- 90s invention.
Prior to that, interline and codeshare agreements were much more confusing. For example, British Midland had code shares with 40-50 different airlines in the early 90s, competing airlines too! Air Canada and Canadian both used to code share with BD.
KLM/NW started the alliance concept, STAR really brought it into existance.
Since Alliances came along the only big changes i can think of for losses:
Swiss= One world moved to STAR
and 2 alliances have gone
KLM/NW or Wings alliance= merged into Skyteam
Qualiflyer Alliance= dead
Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.
Heathrow From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2005, 981 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2562 times:
Very interesting that both AC and CP would codeshare with BD!! I've never heared of the Qualifier alliance. I think LX would have gone to oneworld anyways had it not been for the buyout from LH. It's a shame, I would have loved to see them in Oneworld. Who were members of the qualifier alliance?
Kiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8785 posts, RR: 13
Reply 6, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2454 times:
Quoting NorthStarDC4M (Reply 1): Since Alliances came along the only big changes i can think of for losses:
Swiss= One world moved to STAR
oft repeated myth , I 'm afraid - in fact Swiss were never in Oneworld . They signed an agreement to join but they never completed the process before BA pissed them off so much that they gave up in disgust
CP left Oneworld when they were taken over by AC
MX left/were kicked out/arranged to be kicked* out of Star
RG were kicked out of Star
*delete the answers you feel do not apply - I have heard all three answers so many times that I no longer care which one is correct
Moderation in all things ... including moderation ;-)
Jetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7466 posts, RR: 49
Reply 7, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2434 times:
BA also hd codeshare connections with UA at ORD for DEN, PDX, LAS and PHX according to my BA timetable I have from summer/1988. Also shows a codeshare to/from BEY with MEA, and a combined flt number, MEBA202/203.
ACDC8 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 7775 posts, RR: 33
Reply 11, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2325 times:
CP and AA used to codeshare together with LH in the early 90's. Interestingly, AA served DUS from ORD just before LH's involvement in STAR and then all of a sudden it was UA's metal serving that route ... hmmmmm
SWISS has decided not to proceed with the envisaged integration of its Swiss TravelClub frequent flyer programme into the Executive Club, its counterpart at British Airways, under the present conditions. The sizeable costs of such an integration and the drawbacks it would bring currently outweigh its projected mid- to long-term benefits. As the abandonment of the proposed integration also means that the bilateral agreement between SWISS and British Airways cannot be put into practice, SWISS is unable to join the oneworld alliance at the present time.
Ryanair!!! From Australia, joined Mar 2002, 4783 posts, RR: 24
Reply 14, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2085 times:
There was also the short lived PASSAGES program that had Singapore Airlines, Malaysia Airlines and Cathay Pacific. Delta and Swissair were in the equation somewhere although I cannot remember clearly if it was this alliance...
Welcome to my starry one world alliance, a team in the sky!
When one airline buys a 20 percent stake in another airline, and they decide to cooperate, I wouldn't call that an alliance. Many airlines did that before KLM/NW did so. An alliance is a group of airlines that stay independent and cooperate with selling tickets, frequent flyers, codeshare, etc.
In my opinion, the first true alliance was the European Quality Alliance, which was formed on 28 September 1989, by SAS, Swissair and Austrian. Finnair also joined, but they were disappiointed with what the alliance gave them and left after a short while.
I believe the European Quality Alliance ceased to exist in the end of 1993. In the wake of this failure, SAS started to court Lufthansa, and they together invited LH-friend United and SK-friend Thai, plus Air Canada, to start Star.